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2022 All-Ireland SFC Quarter-Finals

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Replying To howdareu:  "But will this come at a cost? Will clubs be delayed all over the country again like in other years so as to keep the few "elite" players happy? We all know clubs do not want to play without the county lads and therefore ordinary club players are left high and dry while the few lads at the top play with the county!!"
The split season has been agreed. The All-Ireland championships will be complete by the end of July.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8974 - 15/06/2022 11:39:49    2425118

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "Cavan compete pretty well in Ulster from Division 4. I think you over play it. Donegal scraped past Cavan. Everybody lauds it.
If Cork scrape past Limerick it shows how poor Cork are. Well if you look at your league seedings as many of you seem to swear by, Limerick are a tougher proposition to Cavan.
However, I know where Cork are in terms of quality etc. We are a mediocre team battling to go as far as we can. We needed a favourable draw just to be competitive and even then would probably be put to the sword by half time. Against Dublin we are very much out of our depth, but then everybody they've played to date was as well.
There are 4 teams who are top level, Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone normally and Mayo at the moment but they could begin to fall out of the group in the next week or so. Galway and Armagh are on the rise but could just as easily fall backwards. I think the rest of the teams in division 1 & 2 are pretty much on par, including Donegal."
Cavan aren't really a division 4 team though, they've had a nightmare in the league the last couple of years but they're well above Div 4 standard. I'd say they'd beat half the teams in Division 2 this year, certainly Down, Cork & Offaly anyway, I'd have them favourites over Clare or Meath and they wouldn't be out of place against Derry or Roscommon either.

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 273 - 15/06/2022 15:36:00    2425188

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Players want more games. The GAA is delivering next year."
Wrong. The players wanted more meaningful games in the summer. There will be minimal breaks so this new format will just lead to injuries and burnout. Why do you insist on always defending the GAA?

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 15/06/2022 16:41:54    2425207

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Wrong. The players wanted more meaningful games in the summer. There will be minimal breaks so this new format will just lead to injuries and burnout. Why do you insist on always defending the GAA?"
Define "meaningful" games??,

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2501 - 15/06/2022 18:46:26    2425237

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Wrong. The players wanted more meaningful games in the summer. There will be minimal breaks so this new format will just lead to injuries and burnout. Why do you insist on always defending the GAA?"
You tend to be quite negative about the GAA.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 15/06/2022 20:33:07    2425250

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Wrong. The players wanted more meaningful games in the summer. There will be minimal breaks so this new format will just lead to injuries and burnout. Why do you insist on always defending the GAA?"
The players wanted to flip the league and provincial championships

The provincial councils, the strong counties with a shorter route to Croke Park (Mayo, Kerry, Galway) and Ulster counties wanted what we ended up with.

Even Fermanagh wouldn't vote to for meaningful matches in the summer for themselves - they voted for the status quo - even though they have zero Ulster titles FFS.

Next year wont be better either, you'll still have 6 weeks of dross between the end of the league and the championship round robin.
2 useless provincial championships
1 middling one if the draw suits
1 where the football is bad but the results are close

On the topic of Munster football
Let's face it, in order to get anyone in a hurling county to play football at all, you have to play a bit of open football and try to make it enjoyable.
If Limerick, Cork, Clare and Tipp set up with a double sweeper in every match they could probably push Kerry closer but any lad who was half decent at hurling wouldn't bother his **** with football if he knew it was going to be 15 men behind the ball and hit on the break stuff.

The reality in Ulster is that if all the counties there came out and played some football, only Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh would make a fist of it against Dublin.
The rest would get hammered.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1486 - 15/06/2022 20:44:50    2425251

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "The players wanted to flip the league and provincial championships

The provincial councils, the strong counties with a shorter route to Croke Park (Mayo, Kerry, Galway) and Ulster counties wanted what we ended up with.

Even Fermanagh wouldn't vote to for meaningful matches in the summer for themselves - they voted for the status quo - even though they have zero Ulster titles FFS.

Next year wont be better either, you'll still have 6 weeks of dross between the end of the league and the championship round robin.
2 useless provincial championships
1 middling one if the draw suits
1 where the football is bad but the results are close

On the topic of Munster football
Let's face it, in order to get anyone in a hurling county to play football at all, you have to play a bit of open football and try to make it enjoyable.
If Limerick, Cork, Clare and Tipp set up with a double sweeper in every match they could probably push Kerry closer but any lad who was half decent at hurling wouldn't bother his **** with football if he knew it was going to be 15 men behind the ball and hit on the break stuff.

The reality in Ulster is that if all the counties there came out and played some football, only Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh would make a fist of it against Dublin.
The rest would get hammered."
Clare isn't really a hurling county. It's a half an half county, people saying stuff like Clare doing great considering all the potential players that they have lost to football the reality that there is probably only one player in the hurling panel that would start for the footballers and that would be Shane Meehan. Conor Cleary and Aaron Fitzgerald who previously played football would also be close to making the team.

The rest of hurlers are either hurlers only or either not inter county football standard. The thing is that there is just as many football only clubs in Clare as there is hurling only clubs.

CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 58 - 17/06/2022 14:04:19    2425634

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "The players wanted to flip the league and provincial championships

The provincial councils, the strong counties with a shorter route to Croke Park (Mayo, Kerry, Galway) and Ulster counties wanted what we ended up with.

Even Fermanagh wouldn't vote to for meaningful matches in the summer for themselves - they voted for the status quo - even though they have zero Ulster titles FFS.

Next year wont be better either, you'll still have 6 weeks of dross between the end of the league and the championship round robin.
2 useless provincial championships
1 middling one if the draw suits
1 where the football is bad but the results are close

On the topic of Munster football
Let's face it, in order to get anyone in a hurling county to play football at all, you have to play a bit of open football and try to make it enjoyable.
If Limerick, Cork, Clare and Tipp set up with a double sweeper in every match they could probably push Kerry closer but any lad who was half decent at hurling wouldn't bother his **** with football if he knew it was going to be 15 men behind the ball and hit on the break stuff.

The reality in Ulster is that if all the counties there came out and played some football, only Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh would make a fist of it against Dublin.
The rest would get hammered."
This is true in Munster. In Tipperary the football is very open and fast moving but maybe naive

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 17/06/2022 16:53:38    2425658

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Replying To skirge7:  "This is true in Munster. In Tipperary the football is very open and fast moving but maybe naive"
Ive heard it all now. Munster football is bad because thgy play a good syyle. Such rubbish.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 997 - 18/06/2022 09:29:10    2425696

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After all the money invested in Dublin and the debt around Páirc Uí Chaoimh, it's the Sunday quarter-finals that seem set to be a sellout.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8974 - 23/06/2022 10:23:20    2426988

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Replying To legendzxix:  "After all the money invested in Dublin and the debt around Páirc Uí Chaoimh, it's the Sunday quarter-finals that seem set to be a sellout."
Yeah....fair play to kerry for mobilizing their support so early this year.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 524 - 23/06/2022 10:51:02    2427001

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Replying To legendzxix:  "After all the money invested in Dublin and the debt around Páirc Uí Chaoimh, it's the Sunday quarter-finals that seem set to be a sellout."
The only supporters that will be there in numbers for sure are Armagh, Mayo and Dublin. Derry might bring a crowd given the (rightful) confidence behind them and the long gap between their last serious appearance.

Kerry might travel if enough have realised by now that a quarter final or semi is a realistic end of year game.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3682 - 23/06/2022 13:51:25    2427050

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Expected Derry to win but i thought it would be a 5 to 7 point win than this stroll.

As i type 5 goals scored for Derry, the defending and goal keeping so poor but Derry clinical and went for the kill early.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3693 - 25/06/2022 17:02:56    2427424

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The only way to beat Derry is do what Donegal did.

I would fully expect them to beat Dublin/Kerry/Armagh/Mayo etc.

They have already beaten 3 division 1 teams to get to this match.

They have to win 2 more matches, the semi will be against the Galway/Armagh who are both very beatable.

Then Dublin/Kerry in the final. I have watched all of Derry's championship matches and they have the hunger which Donegal had in 2012 and the fitness too.

Ronan1989 (Donegal) - Posts: 82 - 25/06/2022 17:15:29    2427426

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Replying To Ronan1989:  "The only way to beat Derry is do what Donegal did.

I would fully expect them to beat Dublin/Kerry/Armagh/Mayo etc.

They have already beaten 3 division 1 teams to get to this match.

They have to win 2 more matches, the semi will be against the Galway/Armagh who are both very beatable.

Then Dublin/Kerry in the final. I have watched all of Derry's championship matches and they have the hunger which Donegal had in 2012 and the fitness too."
Dublin found out how to beat Donegal. And if they have their main player's fit, I can't see Derry troubling them.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 25/06/2022 17:48:02    2427437

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Replying To Ronan1989:  "The only way to beat Derry is do what Donegal did.

I would fully expect them to beat Dublin/Kerry/Armagh/Mayo etc.

They have already beaten 3 division 1 teams to get to this match.

They have to win 2 more matches, the semi will be against the Galway/Armagh who are both very beatable.

Then Dublin/Kerry in the final. I have watched all of Derry's championship matches and they have the hunger which Donegal had in 2012 and the fitness too."
You'd better get down to the bookies so and put the mortgage on Derry.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11678 - 25/06/2022 18:20:14    2427443

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The only supporters that will be there in numbers for sure are Armagh, Mayo and Dublin. Derry might bring a crowd given the (rightful) confidence behind them and the long gap between their last serious appearance.

Kerry might travel if enough have realised by now that a quarter final or semi is a realistic end of year game."
There's a good crowd there from Cork

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1704 - 25/06/2022 18:32:08    2427445

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Derry run riot win by double scores I think? how bad were the Rossies when Clare beat them?
Hope tomorrow's games are more competitive,
Galway v Armagh is a toss up, I'm going for a draw in normal time.
Kerry v Mayo you'd expect Kerry to follow up on the league final win with a comprehensive victory, but you can never write Mayo off, they could surprise everybody,
surely we will get better games than today anyway.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3310 - 25/06/2022 18:37:31    2427448

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Replying To Ronan1989:  "The only way to beat Derry is do what Donegal did.

I would fully expect them to beat Dublin/Kerry/Armagh/Mayo etc.

They have already beaten 3 division 1 teams to get to this match.

They have to win 2 more matches, the semi will be against the Galway/Armagh who are both very beatable.

Then Dublin/Kerry in the final. I have watched all of Derry's championship matches and they have the hunger which Donegal had in 2012 and the fitness too."
Donegal lost the Ulster Final to Derry so copying what Donegal did isn't great advice. Derry beat a poor Clare team today but looked very good doing it.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8150 - 25/06/2022 18:38:41    2427450

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Wow Gaelic football is a terrible game. No tackle ..the ball goes over and back. Please let there be a aussie rules style tackle .. this is poison.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 25/06/2022 18:40:27    2427452

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