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Kerry vs Mayo and Dublin vs Cork Double Header in Thurles (46000 Capacity)
Galway Vs Armagh in Cavan (25000 Capacity)
Derry vs Clare in Hyde Park (19000 Capacity)
Imagine the atmosphere at these 3 venues if the GAA moved the QFs out of Croke Park. Would also benefit these 3 towns for that weekend
Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 518 - 13/06/2022 12:08:11
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Replying To legendzxix: "Munster had 67% representation in the League Top 16 for guarantee of a qualifier spot. The highest of any province.
Munster has 50% representation in the All-Ireland quarter-finals. The highest of any province.
The 67% to 50% drop is because 2 Munster counties were drawn against each other! Some province for one province!!" True. Munster football is on the rise. Donegal, Monaghan and Tyrone have been replaced by Armagh and Derry. Donegal and Monaghan's future is murky… Michael Murphy can't keep going forever, and likewise Monaghan may be on the downturn. Conversely, Cork, Clare and Limerick are on the upswing , and Kerry could very well be the dominant force of the next decade!
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 13/06/2022 12:10:00
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Galway v Armagh - Armagh
Kerry v Mayo - Kerry
Dublin v Cork - Dublin
Derry v Clare - Derry
Semi's :
Armagh and Kerry
Final:
Kerry.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1264 - 13/06/2022 12:11:42
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Replying To WanPintWin: "Do we believe that they have 3 of the best 8 in the country though. You've mentioned yourself that Cork have been very lucky with the draw. Getting Louth and Limerick to make this stage.
I do think that Donegal, Monaghan, Kildare and probably Roscommon are all better than Cork.
I don't mean that as a jibe at all. I'd love to see Cork develop into a proper force in football again." Don't Underestimate Munster. 23 All Irelands Senior Titles have found repose there, while just two have gone to Connacht. It says it all that Roscommon, the Connacht Runner Ups, could not beat, a team Limerick beat at home and of course Tipp also defeated Galway just a few years back. It should be noted also that this Limerick also more convincingly beat the '20 Munster Champions in their own backyard this year and were only the width of a post from beating them in '20.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4469 - 13/06/2022 12:17:34
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What's the betting there'll be an auld stroke to bring the Dubs to Cork. Watch this space it'll happen and will be a huge slap in the face to the Leinster Counties but sure we know the GAA don't give a toss about that. it's a chance for them to use the elephant in the room.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 13/06/2022 12:33:34
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Perfect draw for Kerry I think. We'll get a test against Mayo that we badly need/want and if we progress we'll be against a Dublin team that won't have been tested. This never stopped Dublin winning in the past but I think some of these new Dublin players have yet to win a big test so we'll see. It's great to know that 1 out of Armagh/Galway/Derry/Clare will be in the final as it will almost certainly attract more interest in the Championship and I think as a result we'll see those supporters travel with great optimism in 2 weeks time for those games.
AnFear16 (Kerry) - Posts: 39 - 13/06/2022 12:33:37
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Nearly predicted the draw spot on but had the Rossies playing Derry instead.
On the 4 matches
Clare will struggle for scores against such a well drilled Derry outfit. Their best hope is Derry are still celebrating their Ulster success and are complacent
Armagh v Galway hardest game to call both have momentum but it depends on how Galway have used the four week break.
Dublin will stoll past Cork as easy as they did against Meath, Kildare not the best of preparation before facing Kerry or Mayo.
Mayo v Kerry. Plenty will likely tip Kerry but i mostly certainly wouldn't write Mayo off these are the type of knock out games they really come alive in.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3504 - 13/06/2022 12:34:10
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Galway v Armagh
Kerry v Mayo
Dublin v Cork
Derry v Clare
Glad we didn't get the obligatory all Ulster clash, some nice games there
Galway v Armagh: Big test for both teams, Galway have come through Connaught/ Qualifiers in recent years promising so much, but have fallen flat on their face. I think they are stronger this year but I also think Armagh might be too streetwise for them. Croke Park really seemed to suit Armagh when they beat Dublin in the league, and if they get any sort of lead - expect them to be hard to peg back. Armagh by 3
Kerry v Mayo: Wasn't impressed with Mayo on Saturday, they showed great fight and spirit to come back - but we know having seen them come to Croke Park on big occasions before - they are all fight and spirit. They will need to improve big time to even trouble Kerry. Only worry for Kerry is that after coming through a very uncompetitive Munster championship, will they be vulnerable against a division 1 team? Kerry will have one eye on Dublin in the semis and complacency could be their only Achilles heel here. Kerry by 5
Dublin v Cork: Would have been nice to see Dublin get a test at this stage, an Armagh or Mayo might have been interesting but this is as one sided as they come. Cork narrowly avoided the drop in the league, watched them play Meath in Navan this year and they were a shambles. They've definitely improved since, but have benefited from a nice set of qualifier fixtures at Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Would be shocked if they kept it under 12-15 points, Dublin look menacing this year. Dublin by 17
Derry v Clare: Great fixture for both teams, real underdog story. Derry were unlucky to miss out on promotion to Division 1 but proved they are every bit a division 1 team in the Ulster Championship this year. Their style is not pretty but it's effective and I think they will have too much for Clare. The Banner have been impressive, they would have been underdogs in both qualifier games but found a way through and it wouldn't be a huge shock if they did it again here. But big opportunity for Derry, a winnable Semi Final awaits them if they come through it and I think they will. Derry by 4
hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 254 - 13/06/2022 12:38:21
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Replying To legendzxix: "Munster had 67% representation in the League Top 16 for guarantee of a qualifier spot. The highest of any province.
Munster has 50% representation in the All-Ireland quarter-finals. The highest of any province.
The 67% to 50% drop is because 2 Munster counties were drawn against each other! Some province for one province!!" Shows you how bad the All Ireland football system is that 3 Munster teams are getting to the QFs....
Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 518 - 13/06/2022 12:51:51
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Replying To hyperache: "Galway v Armagh
Kerry v Mayo
Dublin v Cork
Derry v Clare
Glad we didn't get the obligatory all Ulster clash, some nice games there
Galway v Armagh: Big test for both teams, Galway have come through Connaught/ Qualifiers in recent years promising so much, but have fallen flat on their face. I think they are stronger this year but I also think Armagh might be too streetwise for them. Croke Park really seemed to suit Armagh when they beat Dublin in the league, and if they get any sort of lead - expect them to be hard to peg back. Armagh by 3
Kerry v Mayo: Wasn't impressed with Mayo on Saturday, they showed great fight and spirit to come back - but we know having seen them come to Croke Park on big occasions before - they are all fight and spirit. They will need to improve big time to even trouble Kerry. Only worry for Kerry is that after coming through a very uncompetitive Munster championship, will they be vulnerable against a division 1 team? Kerry will have one eye on Dublin in the semis and complacency could be their only Achilles heel here. Kerry by 5
Dublin v Cork: Would have been nice to see Dublin get a test at this stage, an Armagh or Mayo might have been interesting but this is as one sided as they come. Cork narrowly avoided the drop in the league, watched them play Meath in Navan this year and they were a shambles. They've definitely improved since, but have benefited from a nice set of qualifier fixtures at Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Would be shocked if they kept it under 12-15 points, Dublin look menacing this year. Dublin by 17
Derry v Clare: Great fixture for both teams, real underdog story. Derry were unlucky to miss out on promotion to Division 1 but proved they are every bit a division 1 team in the Ulster Championship this year. Their style is not pretty but it's effective and I think they will have too much for Clare. The Banner have been impressive, they would have been underdogs in both qualifier games but found a way through and it wouldn't be a huge shock if they did it again here. But big opportunity for Derry, a winnable Semi Final awaits them if they come through it and I think they will. Derry by 4" Derry are the turnaround team of the decade. A few years ago, they were languishing in division 4, and lucky not to be perennial candidates for the Tailteann Cup. Hopefully that doomed competition doesn't bury teams like Cavan from even competing for Sam!
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 13/06/2022 13:08:51
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "And how many Ulster teams drew each other? Quirk of the draw, nothing much else. You'll get it this year, not the next. Hardly saying the strength of the province overall" 67% representation in the All-Ireland series had nothing to do with luck of the draw. Earned on merit through league performances. That 67% excludes Tipperary, who have made the All-Ireland semi-finals twice.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 13/06/2022 13:11:56
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Replying To Rockies: " Replying To hyperache: "Galway v Armagh
Kerry v Mayo
Dublin v Cork
Derry v Clare
Glad we didn't get the obligatory all Ulster clash, some nice games there
Galway v Armagh: Big test for both teams, Galway have come through Connaught/ Qualifiers in recent years promising so much, but have fallen flat on their face. I think they are stronger this year but I also think Armagh might be too streetwise for them. Croke Park really seemed to suit Armagh when they beat Dublin in the league, and if they get any sort of lead - expect them to be hard to peg back. Armagh by 3
Kerry v Mayo: Wasn't impressed with Mayo on Saturday, they showed great fight and spirit to come back - but we know having seen them come to Croke Park on big occasions before - they are all fight and spirit. They will need to improve big time to even trouble Kerry. Only worry for Kerry is that after coming through a very uncompetitive Munster championship, will they be vulnerable against a division 1 team? Kerry will have one eye on Dublin in the semis and complacency could be their only Achilles heel here. Kerry by 5
Dublin v Cork: Would have been nice to see Dublin get a test at this stage, an Armagh or Mayo might have been interesting but this is as one sided as they come. Cork narrowly avoided the drop in the league, watched them play Meath in Navan this year and they were a shambles. They've definitely improved since, but have benefited from a nice set of qualifier fixtures at Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Would be shocked if they kept it under 12-15 points, Dublin look menacing this year. Dublin by 17
Derry v Clare: Great fixture for both teams, real underdog story. Derry were unlucky to miss out on promotion to Division 1 but proved they are every bit a division 1 team in the Ulster Championship this year. Their style is not pretty but it's effective and I think they will have too much for Clare. The Banner have been impressive, they would have been underdogs in both qualifier games but found a way through and it wouldn't be a huge shock if they did it again here. But big opportunity for Derry, a winnable Semi Final awaits them if they come through it and I think they will. Derry by 4" Derry are the turnaround team of the decade. A few years ago, they were languishing in division 4, and lucky not to be perennial candidates for the Tailteann Cup. Hopefully that doomed competition doesn't bury teams like Cavan from even competing for Sam!"
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 13/06/2022 13:24:32
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Replying To Temple56: "Shows you how bad the All Ireland football system is that 3 Munster teams are getting to the QFs...." Don't agree, I think this system works well. 3 teams from Munster must mean 3 teams have won the right to be there. When Derry and Armagh were in Div 4 and 3 they didn't cry about Dublin winning everything, they got stuck in and worked. Only gripe I would have is football will be over too soon.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2168 - 13/06/2022 13:35:40
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Replying To Rockies: "Pat Spillane said yesterday that Munster is the strongest province. Hard to argue with him, as 3 of last 8 are from Munster." You can totally argue with him because what he said is not correct. The system is lopsided and the best 8 teams are not the last 8 teams.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2302 - 13/06/2022 13:42:20
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Replying To Temple56: "Shows you how bad the All Ireland football system is that 3 Munster teams are getting to the QFs...." What is the perfect All Ireland football system?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7703 - 13/06/2022 13:48:07
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Replying To Rockies: " Replying To Rockies: "[quote=hyperache: "Galway v Armagh
Kerry v Mayo
Dublin v Cork
Derry v Clare
Glad we didn't get the obligatory all Ulster clash, some nice games there
Galway v Armagh: Big test for both teams, Galway have come through Connaught/ Qualifiers in recent years promising so much, but have fallen flat on their face. I think they are stronger this year but I also think Armagh might be too streetwise for them. Croke Park really seemed to suit Armagh when they beat Dublin in the league, and if they get any sort of lead - expect them to be hard to peg back. Armagh by 3
Kerry v Mayo: Wasn't impressed with Mayo on Saturday, they showed great fight and spirit to come back - but we know having seen them come to Croke Park on big occasions before - they are all fight and spirit. They will need to improve big time to even trouble Kerry. Only worry for Kerry is that after coming through a very uncompetitive Munster championship, will they be vulnerable against a division 1 team? Kerry will have one eye on Dublin in the semis and complacency could be their only Achilles heel here. Kerry by 5
Dublin v Cork: Would have been nice to see Dublin get a test at this stage, an Armagh or Mayo might have been interesting but this is as one sided as they come. Cork narrowly avoided the drop in the league, watched them play Meath in Navan this year and they were a shambles. They've definitely improved since, but have benefited from a nice set of qualifier fixtures at Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Would be shocked if they kept it under 12-15 points, Dublin look menacing this year. Dublin by 17
Derry v Clare: Great fixture for both teams, real underdog story. Derry were unlucky to miss out on promotion to Division 1 but proved they are every bit a division 1 team in the Ulster Championship this year. Their style is not pretty but it's effective and I think they will have too much for Clare. The Banner have been impressive, they would have been underdogs in both qualifier games but found a way through and it wouldn't be a huge shock if they did it again here. But big opportunity for Derry, a winnable Semi Final awaits them if they come through it and I think they will. Derry by 4" Derry are the turnaround team of the decade. A few years ago, they were languishing in division 4, and lucky not to be perennial candidates for the Tailteann Cup. Hopefully that doomed competition doesn't bury teams like Cavan from even competing for Sam!"
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 13/06/2022 13:51:31
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It is a foolish man who thinks Cork and Clare are better teams than Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Kildare.
The luck of the draw is part of the gig though so good luck to them. Hope they don't get roasted alive the next day out.
Would love to see Kerry v Mayo in Salthill and Cork v Dublin on Cork
Anything else will have an empty stadium
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 13/06/2022 13:59:05
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Replying To legendzxix: "67% representation in the All-Ireland series had nothing to do with luck of the draw. Earned on merit through league performances. That 67% excludes Tipperary, who have made the All-Ireland semi-finals twice." Of course it does, Cork are there by virtue of beating Division Three sides Louth and Limerick, while the likes of Armagh and Mayo have had to beat Division One opposition in both rounds of the qualifiers. Derry had to beat three Division One sides to get to the All-Ireland quarter finals.
Fair play to Clare in upsetting the apple cart against Roscommon, but Derry will be firm favourites in their quarter final.
You're fooling nobody claiming that the Munster SFC is competitive, it isn't, or else Kerry wouldn't have won their provincial championship ties by twelve and twenty three points respectively.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/06/2022 14:05:35
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Replying To legendzxix: "67% representation in the All-Ireland series had nothing to do with luck of the draw. Earned on merit through league performances. That 67% excludes Tipperary, who have made the All-Ireland semi-finals twice." Lets do the Maths here . Firstly all Div1/2 teams made it to the AI series. So as 4 out of 6 Munster teams were div 1/2 then theres your 67%. Connacht 3 out of 5 , 60%. Marginal enough difference,
Okay getting to the last 12.
4 Munster teams ( still 67%) thanks to Cork drawing Louth ( a promoted Div 3 team) and Clare getting a great result v Meath.
Connacht still with 60& as Mayo beat Monaghan ( a Div 1 team since Adam was a boy)
Now down to the QFs
Munster down to 3 ( 50%) well it was always going to be down 1 after the draw with Cork beating the second of the 2 div 3 promoted teams and Clare having a great result overturning the Rossies bringing Galway representation down to 40%.
Now I'm certainly not saying that Connacht is anywhere near the strongest province ( Ulster is by a mile), but the stats are that being brandished to suggest Munster domination are actually very marginally better than Connachts stats and would actually be behind them if werent for the Clare / Ros game which was really a knife edge toss of the coin and most independent observer's would agree that if Ros were to play Clare again tomorrow they would be favourites ( marginally).
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 13/06/2022 14:09:52
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Replying To Saynothing: "Don't agree, I think this system works well. 3 teams from Munster must mean 3 teams have won the right to be there. When Derry and Armagh were in Div 4 and 3 they didn't cry about Dublin winning everything, they got stuck in and worked. Only gripe I would have is football will be over too soon." Cork literally lost by 10+ points to Kerry and beat two div 3 teams Louth and Limerick and are in a QF. You can say that that's the luck of the draw but the provincial championships are the problem. Dublin/Kerry two best teams the country but haven't been tested yet. Very unfair on the likes of Tyrone All Ireland Champions if they were in Leinster in place of Dublin they would have a QF against Mayo to look forward too.
Have the Provincial Championships in January and have a 16 team All Ireland 4 groups of 4. Top 2 from each group get a QF.
Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 518 - 13/06/2022 14:15:56
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