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Tailteann Cup 2022

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Replying To eoinog: "Hard to see a big crowd. There's a big gap between the games so it won't intice supporters from the second game to come early and watch the first game and vica versa. The competition needs a weaker county to win this competition especially in it's first year so hopefully we will account for Cavan. I love how Cavan are renowned as a traditionalist county steeped in GAA. The record books from the last 70 years doesn't back that up." Isn't it all weaker counties in it? All division 3 and 4 teams. So whoever wins it will be great. blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 882 - 16/06/2022 12:20:16 2425348 Link
Realistically it will take a few years for the tournament to become established. A lot of counties will be jealous when this year's Tailteann winner has qualified for the 2023 Sam Maguire 16 group stage. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 16/06/2022 13:19:22 2425377 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Doesn't back it up for Mayo either, but sure look..." How many many provincial titles and league titles have both won in that time? You're normally very quick to use stats so you should have no problem with providing these. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 16/06/2022 13:44:50 2425388 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Realistically it will take a few years for the tournament to become established. A lot of counties will be jealous when this year's Tailteann winner has qualified for the 2023 Sam Maguire 16 group stage." You can colour me surprised if over the years we don't find that the bulk of the winners of this will also be ones to get promoted to Division 2 the next year anyway. I just have a feeling it will be the case, so makes it moot a lot of the time. And it's probably what the GAA wants as they then don't need to push a 6th place Division 2 team down to the Tailteann to accommodate a team who didn't get promoted. I do think they'll need subtle changes due to this, and it can be expected to do so to iron out any issues that pop up during the initial years. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 16/06/2022 14:21:31 2425403 Link
Replying To oneoff: "How many many provincial titles and league titles have both won in that time? You're normally very quick to use stats so you should have no problem with providing these." It's in jest about All Ireland titles pal... Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 16/06/2022 14:52:18 2425416 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "You can colour me surprised if over the years we don't find that the bulk of the winners of this will also be ones to get promoted to Division 2 the next year anyway. I just have a feeling it will be the case, so makes it moot a lot of the time. And it's probably what the GAA wants as they then don't need to push a 6th place Division 2 team down to the Tailteann to accommodate a team who didn't get promoted. I do think they'll need subtle changes due to this, and it can be expected to do so to iron out any issues that pop up during the initial years." Division 1 and the top half of Division 2 are the most likely to be challenging for provincial titles. Division 3 and top half of Division 4 will be challenging for Tailteann titles. Cavan as we know won their Division. Westmeath and Sligo were battling for promotion. Offaly have bounced back from relegation. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 17/06/2022 11:21:20 2425583 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Division 1 and the top half of Division 2 are the most likely to be challenging for provincial titles. Division 3 and top half of Division 4 will be challenging for Tailteann titles. Cavan as we know won their Division. Westmeath and Sligo were battling for promotion. Offaly have bounced back from relegation." Not the point I was making though... Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 17/06/2022 11:29:43 2425590 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Realistically it will take a few years for the tournament to become established. A lot of counties will be jealous when this year's Tailteann winner has qualified for the 2023 Sam Maguire 16 group stage." Tailteann winner takes the place of who finishes 6th division 2 team next year or will a playoff be required? Tommy Murphy cup lasted 5 years before it was scrapped right now the Tailteann Cup is novelty and realistically we won't fully know where this competition is until another few years 10,000 is the expected attendance tomorrow which isn't great when one considering Leitrim brought 15k supporters to the Croke Park Div 4 final in 2019. Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 18/06/2022 20:05:37 2425885 Link
Replying To Yondu: "Tailteann winner takes the place of who finishes 6th division 2 team next year or will a playoff be required? Tommy Murphy cup lasted 5 years before it was scrapped right now the Tailteann Cup is novelty and realistically we won't fully know where this competition is until another few years 10,000 is the expected attendance tomorrow which isn't great when one considering Leitrim brought 15k supporters to the Croke Park Div 4 final in 2019." The 2022 Tailteann Cup winners will qualify for the 2023 Sam Maguire 16 group stage. The first county to qualify. The 2023 provincial finalists will also qualify for the Sam Maguire 16 group stage. The 7 best league teams will also qualify. A team could lose the Division 2 final and miss out on the Sam Maguire 16. An unlikely scenario but it is mathematically possible. As is the possibility that a team could finish 7th or 8th in Division 1, and they could miss out on the Sam Maguire 16, depending on lower league counties making a provincial final or not. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 18/06/2022 20:57:06 2425915 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The 2022 Tailteann Cup winners will qualify for the 2023 Sam Maguire 16 group stage. The first county to qualify. The 2023 provincial finalists will also qualify for the Sam Maguire 16 group stage. The 7 best league teams will also qualify. A team could lose the Division 2 final and miss out on the Sam Maguire 16. An unlikely scenario but it is mathematically possible. As is the possibility that a team could finish 7th or 8th in Division 1, and they could miss out on the Sam Maguire 16, depending on lower league counties making a provincial final or not." The all Ireland winners must also qualify. For example I'd Dublin, Clare or Derry win the all Ireland and are in div 2 next year. Derry may not make the Ulster final or win div 2 skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 19/06/2022 10:02:48 2425979 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "You can colour me surprised if over the years we don't find that the bulk of the winners of this will also be ones to get promoted to Division 2 the next year anyway. I just have a feeling it will be the case, so makes it moot a lot of the time. And it's probably what the GAA wants as they then don't need to push a 6th place Division 2 team down to the Tailteann to accommodate a team who didn't get promoted. I do think they'll need subtle changes due to this, and it can be expected to do so to iron out any issues that pop up during the initial years." Getting promoted to Division 2 won't guarantee a Sam Maguire place in future so it is not at all moot. I assume the 6th team in Division 2 will be ranked ahead of the two promoted teams so the Division 3 runner-up would be the first to lose out to the Tailteann Cup winner. The Division 3 winner would then be vulnerable to losing their spot to a provincial finalist from the lower divisions. So winning the Tailteann is a big advantage in that the team is guaranteed a Sam Maguire place. If they also get promoted the following year well that's great as it gives them a better chance of staying in Sam the year after that again if they can finish high enough in Division 2. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 103 - 19/06/2022 12:21:13 2426024 Link
Winners of next year's Tailteann cup guaranteed place in Sam Maguire, not this year's Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1490 - 19/06/2022 12:48:56 2426037 Link
Replying To skirge7: "The all Ireland winners must also qualify. For example I'd Dublin, Clare or Derry win the all Ireland and are in div 2 next year. Derry may not make the Ulster final or win div 2" No, there is no guaranteed place in the final-16 for the AI winners. You could argue the merits of that either way. On the one hand they have a qualification route, the same as everyone else. That is the approach taken also in the soccer World Cup, where champions have to qualify. On the other hand, you could argue they should be guaranteed a place based on their achievement and given the opportunity to defend the title, as is the approach in the Champions League. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 103 - 19/06/2022 13:09:52 2426043 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Winners of next year's Tailteann cup guaranteed place in Sam Maguire, not this year's" Are you sure - any evidence of that? A lot of the commentary suggests otherwise and that the Tailteann Cup winners will qualify for the 2023 Sam Maguire. See from the Irish Times (16/5/22) "What's the big incentive? The big prize for the winner - as well as the new Tailteann Cup itself - is the guarantee of a place in the All-Ireland series for 2023." https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/tailteann-cup-q-a-1.4880097 CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 103 - 19/06/2022 14:26:25 2426074 Link
Cavan edge a competitive contest. Can't recall a match with so much goal chances wasted. Cavan with 2 or 3 and Sligo with 5 or 6 the latter will be thinking what if and Cavan will know that performance won't be good enough to win the final. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3347 - 19/06/2022 15:36:14 2426087 Link
Cracking game of football, the best in Croke Park this year. Hoping for the same again in the next game. Also the Sunday game lads for a change are good, no cliches or fake pats on the back, just good analysis of the game. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 19/06/2022 15:36:26 2426088 Link
Really good games between Cavan and Sligo. Sligo will rue the missed goal chances. Watching Offaly and Westmeath arriving in Croke Park for a televised championship game makes me think that this will be a successful competition. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 19/06/2022 15:50:11 2426099 Link
Replying To zinny: "Cracking game of football, the best in Croke Park this year. Hoping for the same again in the next game. Also the Sunday game lads for a change are good, no cliches or fake pats on the back, just good analysis of the game." Spot on regarding analysis, lads talked a lot of sense no BS. Could you imagine pat and Colm they would be slating the defences for being too open. Excellent game of football both teams just went for it and sligo will be ruining those goal chances but will learn from it going forward. Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 705 - 19/06/2022 15:58:08 2426101 Link
Don't think I've seen a game where the camera is placed in the Cusack before. joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 217 - 19/06/2022 16:04:38 2426104 Link
Second game no where near as competitive. Westmeath getting it all too easy 2-11 scored 1st half could be 3-15 at least. Offaly so badly set up defensively and on their kick outs. Not a good day for the Maughan and O'Se management. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3347 - 19/06/2022 16:52:05 2426116 Link