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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "According to News paper report. If Cork win they are in.."
They have been saying all the time it is scoring difference. I think it is head to head first and then scoring difference. A Cork win puts them through. If Waterford beat Clare they need Tipp to beat Cork also to qualify. So if Clare win and Tipp win I can not see how Tipp do not qualify.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2134 - 20/05/2022 13:45:28    2418956

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Brilliant weekend of hurling ahead. Biggest problem will be to keep on Saturday evening and then Sunday. All games are do at die and some teams even need other results to go their way. My predictions are as follows;

Westmeath v Laois. - LAOIS Cheddar too cute.
Kk v Wexford - KILKENNY - just think they have a good bit more than
Galway v Dublin. GALWAY - they have far more hurling. In the top 3 IMO

Cork v Tipp. - TIPP I'm going to go for Tipp as they can't loose all games in Munster
Waterford v Clare WATERFORD. They have to have the will win over Clare.

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 396 - 20/05/2022 14:10:39    2418966

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Replying To Canuck:  "They have been saying all the time it is scoring difference. I think it is head to head first and then scoring difference. A Cork win puts them through. If Waterford beat Clare they need Tipp to beat Cork also to qualify. So if Clare win and Tipp win I can not see how Tipp do not qualify."
Just figured it out. If Clare and tipp win. Then you will have 3 teams on 2 points. 2 of the teams will have beaten each other so head to head will not count. So then it comes down to scoring different.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 57 - 20/05/2022 15:01:44    2418997

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Replying To baire:  "I think J Cooney has played some wonderful hurling this year, including the game against Wexford. His scores and pinpoint passes, with seemingly effortless striking, are a joy to watch. The break from the game while in Australia seems to have rejuvenated him."
He played well. Just I think Monaghan and Whelan were outstanding. I was answering a post that reckoned him and Monaghan have played better than Whelan and Concannon.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5313 - 20/05/2022 15:05:48    2418999

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "According to News paper report. If Cork win they are in.."
Yes that's because there won't be a 3 way tie if Cork win. Only if Tipp and Clare both win.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5313 - 20/05/2022 15:06:37    2419001

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Replying To Canuck:  "They have been saying all the time it is scoring difference. I think it is head to head first and then scoring difference. A Cork win puts them through. If Waterford beat Clare they need Tipp to beat Cork also to qualify. So if Clare win and Tipp win I can not see how Tipp do not qualify."
If Clare and Tipp win, then Tipp,Waterford and Cork all have the same number of points, ie 2. Then score difference comes into play. If Cork beat Tipp they are through, If Cork and Tipp draw and Waterford beat Clare, Waterford go through. If there are draws in Ennis and Thurles Cork will stay in the chase.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3666 - 20/05/2022 15:07:31    2419002

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Replying To Canuck:  "They have been saying all the time it is scoring difference. I think it is head to head first and then scoring difference. A Cork win puts them through. If Waterford beat Clare they need Tipp to beat Cork also to qualify. So if Clare win and Tipp win I can not see how Tipp do not qualify."
Tipp will have to win by a load of points and Clare probably have to win by a good few too for Tipps points difference to overtake Cork and Waterfords.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5313 - 20/05/2022 15:08:04    2419003

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "Just figured it out. If Clare and tipp win. Then you will have 3 teams on 2 points. 2 of the teams will have beaten each other so head to head will not count. So then it comes down to scoring different."
Even if 2 of the teams hadn't beat each other it's scoring difference if its a 3 way tie. Only head to head if 2 teams tied.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5313 - 20/05/2022 15:09:35    2419004

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Replying To Canuck:  "They have been saying all the time it is scoring difference. I think it is head to head first and then scoring difference. A Cork win puts them through. If Waterford beat Clare they need Tipp to beat Cork also to qualify. So if Clare win and Tipp win I can not see how Tipp do not qualify."
If Clare win and Tipperary win it will be a three way tie, each with 2 points then it will come down to scoring as Tipp are well in the minus category behind the others it is unlikely they can make up the deficit..

aloneitstands (Limerick) - Posts: 47 - 20/05/2022 15:34:13    2419017

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Replying To Viking66:  "He played well. Just I think Monaghan and Whelan were outstanding. I was answering a post that reckoned him and Monaghan have played better than Whelan and Concannon."
I understand. Both Whelan and Concannon have been recovering from injury, hence the lack of sharpness esp with Concannon.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1283 - 20/05/2022 16:02:55    2419031

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Replying To Viking66:  "Even if 2 of the teams hadn't beat each other it's scoring difference if its a 3 way tie. Only head to head if 2 teams tied."
If they is no tie and 3 teams are tied on points 2 teams will have beaten each other.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 57 - 20/05/2022 16:36:29    2419034

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "If Clare and Tipp win, then Tipp,Waterford and Cork all have the same number of points, ie 2. Then score difference comes into play. If Cork beat Tipp they are through, If Cork and Tipp draw and Waterford beat Clare, Waterford go through. If there are draws in Ennis and Thurles Cork will stay in the chase."
Oldtourman It is a bit confusing. If all three end up on two points then Tipp trumps Cork on the head to head but Waterford trump Tipp on the head to head but not Cork. It must be then the scoring difference kicks in.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2134 - 20/05/2022 16:38:27    2419036

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1. A win in Ennis will see us through if Cork lose or draw against Tipperary.
2. A draw in Ennis will see us through if Cork lose to Tipperary.
3. A narrow defeat in Ennis and a Cork loss to Tipperary could still see us through on score difference.
4. A Cork draw with Tipperary and a Waterford win in Ennis would see Waterford through.
5. A Cork win over Tipperary and the other four options don't matter to us.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2134 - 20/05/2022 16:42:46    2419038

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Replying To aloneitstands:  "If Clare win and Tipperary win it will be a three way tie, each with 2 points then it will come down to scoring as Tipp are well in the minus category behind the others it is unlikely they can make up the deficit.."
Tipp would have to beat Cork by 6 or more and Clare beat Waterford by 9 or more for Tipp to go through.

Highly unlikely but stranger things have happened. Fingers crossed for the gene pool :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 657 - 20/05/2022 18:20:49    2419059

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Am I wrong in thinking the Gaa have made little of an all ireland under 20 hurling final??its a disgrace it is being played as a curtain raiser to cork/tipp at weekend..of course our boys on fixtures thought cork would be beaten last week ,with the all ireland before the senior it makes sure more than 20,000 will attend..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1721 - 20/05/2022 21:01:55    2419077

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "According to News paper report. If Cork win they are in.."
Yes, Cork are through with a win - nobody is disputing that. We were discussing what happens if Tipp and Clare both win. In that case, there is a 3-way tie which would be decided on scoring difference, not head-to head.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 943 - 20/05/2022 21:35:09    2419082

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "If they is no tie and 3 teams are tied on points 2 teams will have beaten each other."
It's points difference in the case of a 3 way tie. Head to head is irrelevant Newyorkkat

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5313 - 21/05/2022 09:28:48    2419089

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Interesting teams picked for the 2 munster championship games. Right or wrong clare have rested a few. They still have a strong 15 named but it's giving a nice advantage to Waterford. Clare are entitled to do as they wish they've earned the right. Personally i think when you're going well don't change but the risk of losing likes of kelly and conlon was too much for lohan. I still feel Waterford will earn this if they are to win. Missing prunty along with Iarlaith daly weakens their Full back line hugely and I see clare again going route one of Duggan and Taylor, o donnell finding space to clip points. Duggan I think is still a bit rusty but nice chance for him tomorrow. Waterford should win but nothing can be taken for granted.

I like the balance of the Tipp team I have to say. I think this could be a big ask for Cork. I'm looking forward to this match. Two monumental heavy weights fighting it out to keep their season alive and I'm travelling too so looking forward to it. I think tipp defensively look very solid. I like Quirke. He's a physical player. His work rate is top drawer and with Kennedy and heffernan it won't be easy playing around them. Stakelum impressed me v Limerick and mccormack must be back fit which is a plus. They have forde kehoe Morris inside which could trouble cork..also ger browne on cahalane is a nice mis match for me. On the cork side confidence is surely up and I'm not sure the team named will start. Tim o mahony needs to be played in the forwards and horgan for me now is an impact sub. I think cork might struggle.

On the leinster side I just don't see an upset. It's a pity as both wexford and Dublin have good recent form against today's opponents. Kk and Gakway won't be complacent and should get the job done. Interesting that cody again has Walter Walsh on the bench. He's been ruthless this year.

The AI u20 final tomorrow should be a stand alone fixture. I love this grade. At times its pure hurling and hugely exciting. Its a pity it gets a 130pm throw in time. We're travelling all the same as it'll be a great occasion. With cork v tipp now a hugely meaningful match we might wait on and watch a bit.

Good luck to all over the weekend.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 21/05/2022 10:05:50    2419095

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If we were to do some very early predictions it is looking like:

Limerick play the winners of Kilkenny and the winners of Cork/Antrim

Galway play the winners of Clare and the winners of Dublin/Offaly.

Limerick v Clare/Galway in the final one would think.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 186 - 21/05/2022 10:29:41    2419103

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Replying To Canuck:  "Oldtourman It is a bit confusing. If all three end up on two points then Tipp trumps Cork on the head to head but Waterford trump Tipp on the head to head but not Cork. It must be then the scoring difference kicks in."
Yes if more than two teams end on the same number of points points' it is score difference. The Head to head only comes into play if two teams end up with the same number of points.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3666 - 21/05/2022 11:22:12    2419125

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