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Replying To clooney: "Surely not a red seriously, a yellow yes if a shoulder like that warranted a red Jackie T would not have as many all Irelands as he has. Conlon mis timed it fair play to Hannon for not going down though ." No indeed it was not a red card. I might add that the vast majority of that Clare team are honest, solid, tough hurlers like Hannon. In our day, when one was rattled one would stay on ones feet, as you would never want to give your opponent the satisfaction of saying he 'put you on your ****', but times and attitudes have changed.
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Replying To daveboy: "I think the perfect example of this was conlons forceful shoulder into hannons upper chest/chin area for limericks last score. It was high, wreckless and a definite red esp if hannon drops to the ground which he could nearly have been entitled to giving the nature of the hit. But he stood his ground. Hurling has never been more physical and intense yet we are seeing simulation creeping in more and more and people wonder why referees have a hard job." The last bit is key. We all criticise refs, sometimes with good cause, but they have no means of knowing if someone feigning a serious injury, especially to head, is acting.
Particularly if he can't get a valid second decision. Linesman on stand side in Ennis just copped out if you ask me as it must surely have seen what happened?
Only football I watched on Sunday was Dublin/Meath and you had a Meath player who twice went down clutching his face when there was no such contact. They were fouls certainly but that is simply a dishonest attempt to get someone a card or sent off. Pity to see similar carry-on in hurling.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2553 - 18/05/2022 14:55:34
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Times and attitudes have definitely changed..Conlans tackle on dec hannon was a yellow,however would I be wrong if I said he had been booked earlier,if so a 2nd yellow,but I don't remember him getting a card for foul on hannon..think ref at time was more worried about hannon reaction than the tackle..in all the time I've seen hannon I never see him so mad towards a ref,it is not his form..I'm looking forward to next weekend when we can sit back and wait to see just what happens..I'm pretty sure there will be plenty to argue about Sunday evening and Monday morning..I'd hope incidents won't lead to a county exiting the championship..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2214 - 18/05/2022 15:00:04
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Replying To Mads: "At the moment it's hard to say for definite but I've a feeling the munster teams are still a bit ahead of leinster. It will be the quarters before we'll get to see it. My gut feeling is all 3 munster teams are better than leinster at the moment. Galway are strengthening their panel all the time so opinion might change if they put in a decent performance in the leinster final.
Don't know if the round robin will have a grandstand finish. For munster I think the last round will be hard to beat.
Cork to finish the job against tipp now that they have finally copped on to the importance of good workrate..
The cats to beat Wexford and that's it and a repeat of galway versus kilkenny leinster final" Was Kilkenny v Dublin Leinster final last year?
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "The form guide would suggest Wexford have no hope against the Cats. That being said, I dont rate the Cats like many do." It is always the biggest game in leinster.
We're not going well, but the head to head favours us in the last few years.
If our best 15 players reach their limit we've a chance.
Anything less just won't do.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2660 - 18/05/2022 15:02:14
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "I could maybe make an argument for Galway being the same as Clare but no way are Clare lower than KK. Clare are the only team in the third year of trying to get anything off of Limerick.
I think Galway have a kick in them but would still put them 3rd behind Clare and Limerick" Its just my opinion Lohan but kk are last team to beat limerick in championship and Limerick were at full strength and no excuses. I think clare indeed did get a result last Sunday but for Limerick it wasn't all or nothing as the munster final place was secured, it was in ennis, a very disputed red card when I felt clare were tiring and Gillane Mulcahy and O Donovan were rested.
This together with Lynch, O Neill and Casey to return to the fold. If clare were to beat limerick in a munster final then they are absolutely in the top 2. Until then I just see them behind kk and Galway who've regularly been to the last 4 in the last 4/5 years and to me look to have deeper panels.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1126 - 18/05/2022 15:04:07
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Replying To daveboy: "Its just my opinion Lohan but kk are last team to beat limerick in championship and Limerick were at full strength and no excuses. I think clare indeed did get a result last Sunday but for Limerick it wasn't all or nothing as the munster final place was secured, it was in ennis, a very disputed red card when I felt clare were tiring and Gillane Mulcahy and O Donovan were rested.
This together with Lynch, O Neill and Casey to return to the fold. If clare were to beat limerick in a munster final then they are absolutely in the top 2. Until then I just see them behind kk and Galway who've regularly been to the last 4 in the last 4/5 years and to me look to have deeper panels." This is the problem with KK people perceive them based on times gone by. That match against Limerick was lost by an overconfident Limerick. Red card aside, Tipp were going to win that final pulling up. Plus it is almost 3 years ago.
I see nothing in KK that makes me think Clare would struggle against them. Galway were actually comfortably ten points better than them on the balance of play a few weeks ago but for goals. I just dont see the hype around KK.
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2479 - 18/05/2022 15:36:20
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "I could maybe make an argument for Galway being the same as Clare but no way are Clare lower than KK. Clare are the only team in the third year of trying to get anything off of Limerick.
I think Galway have a kick in them but would still put them 3rd behind Clare and Limerick" While I think that Clare have the potential, talent and crucially the mettle to beat any team, including Limerick, until they actually do or win the Munster title, I too would have Clare in 4th position, behind Limerick, Kilkenny, and Galway.
I think the Clare/Waterford game will get really physical next day out. Their 1998 meeting springs readily back to mind.
Btw, is Austin Gleeson available for it? I don't understand the rules on suspension on yellows, reds or blacks too well.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1909 - 18/05/2022 15:43:37
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "This is the problem with KK people perceive them based on times gone by. That match against Limerick was lost by an overconfident Limerick. Red card aside, Tipp were going to win that final pulling up. Plus it is almost 3 years ago.
I see nothing in KK that makes me think Clare would struggle against them. Galway were actually comfortably ten points better than them on the balance of play a few weeks ago but for goals. I just dont see the hype around KK." Hype? Where is this hype?
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2459 - 18/05/2022 16:14:01
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Replying To CTGAA10: "Times and attitudes have definitely changed..Conlans tackle on dec hannon was a yellow,however would I be wrong if I said he had been booked earlier,if so a 2nd yellow,but I don't remember him getting a card for foul on hannon..think ref at time was more worried about hannon reaction than the tackle..in all the time I've seen hannon I never see him so mad towards a ref,it is not his form..I'm looking forward to next weekend when we can sit back and wait to see just what happens..I'm pretty sure there will be plenty to argue about Sunday evening and Monday morning..I'd hope incidents won't lead to a county exiting the championship.." that challenge by Conlon on Hannon was the dirtiest in the game. only for Hannon avoiding the full brunt of the short arm / shoulder head high contact he woulf gave been badly hurt and possibly out with concussion fir Munster final. At that stage the ref just wanted the game to be over as he had lost it by then. It would have been a red if the ref was still in control if the game.
Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 879 - 18/05/2022 16:20:33
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "This is the problem with KK people perceive them based on times gone by. That match against Limerick was lost by an overconfident Limerick. Red card aside, Tipp were going to win that final pulling up. Plus it is almost 3 years ago.
I see nothing in KK that makes me think Clare would struggle against them. Galway were actually comfortably ten points better than them on the balance of play a few weeks ago but for goals. I just dont see the hype around KK." Are you basing that on Clare's performance against a Limerick team without 2 of their top players, or just in general?
I think every county in Leinster (and Limerick in 2019 also) know to write Kilkenny off at your peril. I thought we had a good chance to beat them at the weekend in the Nell.
Write them off at your peril.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 18/05/2022 16:28:32
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My top 4 rankings based on a reasonable assumption that Waterford are more than likely not going to qualify are:
1. Limerick
2. Galway
3. Clare
4. KK
The team that I'm most worried about from a Limerick perspective is still Galway. I've thought that from the start of the year and I haven't changed my mind. I don't think that KK have enough outstanding hurlers right now even though you know what you're going to get when you play them.
Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 835 - 18/05/2022 16:31:13
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "The Hegarty thing was no doubt a distraction for us Dub and Wexicans the past few days, but it's run it's course!
Now. Will Galway overcome their inability to beat Dublin in championship?
Will Wexford put the stripey men out of the championship?
Indeed, will Waterford suffer the same fate?
The round robin has certainly proved its worth." Well we have far more games and and we have had some serious games this year especially, and plenty more to come especially this weekend.
Have to agree with you that the plethora of games is worth it and we have not even talked about provincial finals yet !
Last weekend saw 2 titanic games especially in E nis but Cork's performance will no doubt spur them on and bring some faith back to their county.
Waterford simply did not perform and I expect a backlash thus weekend. Tipp will relish playing old rivals and that will be a big occasion for both teams..
Clare with a majestic Tony K in flying form did not stand back from their neighbours.
A real pity that so much comment has revolved around the referees performance.
It's time to focus on the hurling and I am sure Lohan has not lost sleep but has slept soundly since last.Sunday.
Wexford will be like a wounded animal after their draw v Westmeath and will not be found wanting v The Cats. Cody will know that too and in Leinster there are no bigger rivals ! So I think that match could be the real big one of the weekend.
As always looking forward to another great weekend of special players and teams giving it socks !
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Replying To Dealer: "My top 4 rankings based on a reasonable assumption that Waterford are more than likely not going to qualify are:
1. Limerick
2. Galway
3. Clare
4. KK
The team that I'm most worried about from a Limerick perspective is still Galway. I've thought that from the start of the year and I haven't changed my mind. I don't think that KK have enough outstanding hurlers right now even though you know what you're going to get when you play them." Fair enough but I'd put Clare ahead of Galway. Maybe by the end of the Championship I'll change my tune as Galway ARE improving as they play more matches with each other. But right now I can't say Galway are 2nd overall. Galway Abu!
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2119 - 18/05/2022 19:32:49
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Replying To Dealer: "My top 4 rankings based on a reasonable assumption that Waterford are more than likely not going to qualify are:
1. Limerick
2. Galway
3. Clare
4. KK
The team that I'm most worried about from a Limerick perspective is still Galway. I've thought that from the start of the year and I haven't changed my mind. I don't think that KK have enough outstanding hurlers right now even though you know what you're going to get when you play them." Fair enough, but I think our biggest challenges are injuries and 1 or 2 players not firing at present. That's not being cocky, just reflecting the bookies odds at present. Galway most likely no.2 Clare are too reliant on Tony Kelly
Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 372 - 18/05/2022 20:12:03
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Replying To Dealer: "My top 4 rankings based on a reasonable assumption that Waterford are more than likely not going to qualify are:
1. Limerick
2. Galway
3. Clare
4. KK
The team that I'm most worried about from a Limerick perspective is still Galway. I've thought that from the start of the year and I haven't changed my mind. I don't think that KK have enough outstanding hurlers right now even though you know what you're going to get when you play them." Clare are the biggest threat to Limerick. Don't see Galway troubling the treaty this year.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 18/05/2022 21:09:01
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Replying To daveboy: "I'll possibly live to regret this but I'm going to throw it out there anyway. Hurling ratings imo with one round Robin to go(This could age badly)
1) Limerick
2) Kilkenny
3) Galway
4) Clare
5) Waterford/Cork
6) Dublin
7) Tipp
8) Wexford
I said at the beginning I fancied clare and Dublin to get through into AI series. I didn't see Waterford struggling and esp at home v cork. I didn't think cork would win a game in munster. They might win two now. I still fancy kilkenny to win Leinster in croke park and probably a repeat v Galway. I think kilkenny have a nice balance and i like Reid at centre back to free deegan to the wing. The 2 walshes in HF line are key for me esp if they can keep cody and TJ inside. Its just my opinion but as a Limerick man kk would be a team I think could cause us trouble. I'd have both these two teams just ahead of clare who have had a big year so far but they'll need to support Tony Kelly when the big stuff happens. They have a super FB line which for me is where you start yo build an AI winning team. Galway are getting healthy and should put it up to kk in leinster final it that's how it transpires but I'd still fancy kk. I think Galway could cause teams a lot of trouble still this year though.
Waterford or cork if they come through could get momentum still esp Waterford but they are now relying on cork losing in thurles which I think could easily happen.
Last point the more i think of it the more I fell Brian Lohan might go very strong v Waterford. He'll want to keep this momentum going and esp in front of a big home support. It's also another huge test before the munster final to keep the team primed.
But like all round Robins game week 5 there will be a surprise surely." On current form there's absolutely no way Galway or Kk are second in the country in my opinion. Remember cork beat this KK team in last years championship and neither Kk or Galway have shown much to say they've improved that much. On current form clare and westmeath are the only counties in the liam McCarthy who could say they've improved since last year.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 18/05/2022 21:44:12
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Replying To Sugary_tae: "Just my two cents
I think Kiely has a very valid point in terms of Gearoid not being referred fairly. He's certainly been no angel over the years if you see the amount of special attention he gets now, without getting frees it's actually laughable. In both the Clare and tipp games he was hauled to the ground at least twice off the ball to stop him making runs prior to puck outs and the amount of pulling and dragging most refs allow on him (due to his size) prior to getting a free isnt great. The issue I would have is he's being referreed in reputation (and gleeson also). I was at the halfway in the terrace at the Clare game and both his bookings happened in front of me. Clearly Lyon's didn't see the first booking…he booked on the linesman's opinion. For card no two I was Barely twenty yards away…. I couldn't tell you did he hit Fitzgerald I just saw the exaggerated fall. I'll be honest I assumed Gearoid must have hit him a tap but I wasn't certain. It's human nature. Listening to the likes of Donal og et al. My issue is the ref clearly didn't see it. Neither did either linesman he was relying on one umpire about 50 yards away who had a limited view. …. You've got to be sure!! He knows it's a red if he gives the yellow. He's gone on reputation and frankly that's not good enough.
The bigger issue I would have if I was John Kiely is we haven't been able to buy a free in our last two matches. I've no objection with any frees we concede. We play a high pressure game and we are a hardy big physical team. But fouls on us need to be give too. Tipp free count was 16/7 and Clare game was 14/7 which didn't reflect the physical pressure, hassling and harrying and no little devil from tipp and Clare in our last two games. Ennis was an absolute bear pit. It was fantastic both sides knocking lumps out of each other but if a ref is only whistling one side then players are going to get very frustrated. We're not a team of angels but if we get the frees we deserve I'm not so sure tipp or Clare would have been as close as we came close to the full time. I don't think I've ever seen Declan hannon so wound up as after the conlon free.
Worth remembering that gillanes pull on Maher came after at least 3 balls where easily he could have gotten 1 free. Not an excuse and he could have little issue if he had gotten a red but players are human too." Gearoid is the same as Gleeson singled out for unfair and illegal attention. He is no angle either. This used to be called man marking but now it is stop them at any cost and if possible sent off. Send them off because of former offences seems to be the attitude. Funny all the games I watched this year two teams who worked on nullifying Gleeson's influence legally was Kilkenny and Limerick. I wonder is that to do with the present best team approach to the game and of the former best team.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 18/05/2022 21:54:25
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Replying To Dealer: "My top 4 rankings based on a reasonable assumption that Waterford are more than likely not going to qualify are:
1. Limerick
2. Galway
3. Clare
4. KK
The team that I'm most worried about from a Limerick perspective is still Galway. I've thought that from the start of the year and I haven't changed my mind. I don't think that KK have enough outstanding hurlers right now even though you know what you're going to get when you play them." I'd be more worries by Clare than Galway. Clare are confident and consistent. You couldn't say Galway are consistent. There's a long season to go but Limerick might have to beat all 3 of Kilkenny,Galway and Clare. That's a big ask.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 19/05/2022 07:39:04
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Replying To Canuck: "Gearoid is the same as Gleeson singled out for unfair and illegal attention. He is no angle either. This used to be called man marking but now it is stop them at any cost and if possible sent off. Send them off because of former offences seems to be the attitude. Funny all the games I watched this year two teams who worked on nullifying Gleeson's influence legally was Kilkenny and Limerick. I wonder is that to do with the present best team approach to the game and of the former best team." In any sport the idea is to win. One of the things anyone does to do that is try to work on your opponents weaknesses. Gleesons, Hegartys and Gillanes is their temperament. They don't really have any other weaknesses. So once someone doesn't break the rules in doing it why shouldn't they wind them up? It's up to them not to react and get themselves sent off. Before lads go completely mad on this I would say Gillane in particular gets fouled consistently throughout every game I've seen him play nearly. That's where I would agree with you Canuck. It is up to the referee to blow up these fouls instead of letting them go the whole time. Winding up a lad within the rules is perfectly acceptable. Persistent fouling isn't.
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