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Replying To midlands:  "I think you're referring to the aftermath of the 2009 final when Marty quizzed Cody about the controversial penalty which probably decided the game. Cody's response was way over the top, I agree, and should have been condemned in the studio. The second part of your post is irrelevant, I suggest, because John Kiely has too much class to verbally attack a journalist in that way."
In fairness Brian wanted to talk about the " 4 In a row" Marty questioned the penalty probably not best Moment probably entitled to lost the temper a bit as Marty kept deviating to the referees performance.
Cody has been there so many years in my book anyway he has a lot of class

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 740 - 17/05/2022 17:27:31    2418215

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Replying To midlands:  "I think you're referring to the aftermath of the 2009 final when Marty quizzed Cody about the controversial penalty which probably decided the game. Cody's response was way over the top, I agree, and should have been condemned in the studio. The second part of your post is irrelevant, I suggest, because John Kiely has too much class to verbally attack a journalist in that way."
And poor old Marty was only asking what the rest of the country was thinking.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1575 - 17/05/2022 17:28:46    2418216

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Replying To midlands:  "I think you're referring to the aftermath of the 2009 final when Marty quizzed Cody about the controversial penalty which probably decided the game. Cody's response was way over the top, I agree, and should have been condemned in the studio. The second part of your post is irrelevant, I suggest, because John Kiely has too much class to verbally attack a journalist in that way."
Sorry for that, but I thought it was later,- how time flies.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3624 - 17/05/2022 18:21:32    2418229

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The Hegarty thing was no doubt a distraction for us Dub and Wexicans the past few days, but it's run it's course!

Now. Will Galway overcome their inability to beat Dublin in championship?

Will Wexford put the stripey men out of the championship?

Indeed, will Waterford suffer the same fate?

The round robin has certainly proved its worth.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 653 - 17/05/2022 18:49:48    2418235

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Replying To daveboy:  "
Replying To tiobraid:  "[quote=daveboy:  "[quote=tiobraid:  "Serious question (one I dont know the answer too) - how many Limerick players have been sent off in championship hurling since this Limerick team really came on the scene in 2018? Can you name them? Not a smart comment but I'm just curious as to the answer to that?
Back in 2019 you may remember John McGraths second yellow against Wexford - he was on the ground and he flicked at the Wexford hurler running by. He made no contact with the player but with the players hurl. I said it at the time that was an act of stupidity and was a yellow card all day long as the ball was in the Wexford players hand.

45min 22secs into the game (1:56:30 into the youtube video) shows the angle that he made no contact what so ever with the player (just his hurl) but it was a yellow all day long and was rightly not appealed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8jouiuCHE"
Aaron Gillane 2018 v cork
Tom condon 2018 v clare
Peter casey 2020 (rescinded)
Hegarty 2022(about to be rescinded)

Limerick would be in the lower percentages of teams in last 4 championships with soon to be 2 in last 4 years and not since condon 2018"
It'll actually be in the last 5 seasons. That a very small number. I'd guess the likes of Laois, Waterford and other counties have more. My point being Limerick are certainly not being unfairly targeted as the dabate is nearly always that a Limerick foul should be a red rather than a red card being an unfair punishment.
Anyway as another poster said - time to move on."]My main point was last Sundays victimisation of one player and what is incorrectly perceived as limerick being a dirty team but yes time to move on."]This reminds me of the great Kilkenny team. If a Limerick player farts he should be sent off because his was louder than the oppositions one. The proper explanation is it is jealous and all top teams from the Dubs on have to live with it.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2090 - 17/05/2022 19:24:17    2418245

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Just my two cents

I think Kiely has a very valid point in terms of Gearoid not being referred fairly. He's certainly been no angel over the years if you see the amount of special attention he gets now, without getting frees it's actually laughable. In both the Clare and tipp games he was hauled to the ground at least twice off the ball to stop him making runs prior to puck outs and the amount of pulling and dragging most refs allow on him (due to his size) prior to getting a free isnt great. The issue I would have is he's being referreed in reputation (and gleeson also). I was at the halfway in the terrace at the Clare game and both his bookings happened in front of me. Clearly Lyon's didn't see the first booking…he booked on the linesman's opinion. For card no two I was Barely twenty yards away…. I couldn't tell you did he hit Fitzgerald I just saw the exaggerated fall. I'll be honest I assumed Gearoid must have hit him a tap but I wasn't certain. It's human nature. Listening to the likes of Donal og et al. My issue is the ref clearly didn't see it. Neither did either linesman he was relying on one umpire about 50 yards away who had a limited view. …. You've got to be sure!! He knows it's a red if he gives the yellow. He's gone on reputation and frankly that's not good enough.

The bigger issue I would have if I was John Kiely is we haven't been able to buy a free in our last two matches. I've no objection with any frees we concede. We play a high pressure game and we are a hardy big physical team. But fouls on us need to be give too. Tipp free count was 16/7 and Clare game was 14/7 which didn't reflect the physical pressure, hassling and harrying and no little devil from tipp and Clare in our last two games. Ennis was an absolute bear pit. It was fantastic both sides knocking lumps out of each other but if a ref is only whistling one side then players are going to get very frustrated. We're not a team of angels but if we get the frees we deserve I'm not so sure tipp or Clare would have been as close as we came close to the full time. I don't think I've ever seen Declan hannon so wound up as after the conlon free.
Worth remembering that gillanes pull on Maher came after at least 3 balls where easily he could have gotten 1 free. Not an excuse and he could have little issue if he had gotten a red but players are human too.

Sugary_tae (Limerick) - Posts: 52 - 17/05/2022 19:32:26    2418246

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The Hegarty thing was no doubt a distraction for us Dub and Wexicans the past few days, but it's run it's course!

Now. Will Galway overcome their inability to beat Dublin in championship?

Will Wexford put the stripey men out of the championship?

Indeed, will Waterford suffer the same fate?

The round robin has certainly proved its worth."
The form guide would suggest Wexford have no hope against the Cats. That being said, I dont rate the Cats like many do.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2228 - 18/05/2022 09:48:13    2418278

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The Hegarty thing was no doubt a distraction for us Dub and Wexicans the past few days, but it's run it's course!

Now. Will Galway overcome their inability to beat Dublin in championship?

Will Wexford put the stripey men out of the championship?

Indeed, will Waterford suffer the same fate?

The round robin has certainly proved its worth."
Think it'll be very hard for Dublin to bounce back after the nature of last Saturday's loss to Kilkenny and Galway won't lack for motivation having lost the last 2 games v Dublin….. but I still think the dubs will progress as I cannot see wexford beating the kats in nowlan park. We're just not hurling well enough so there's no reason to be optimistic about our chances on Saturday.
As for Munster, cork to beat tipp and therefore eliminate the deise.

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 351 - 18/05/2022 10:07:04    2418286

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The Hegarty thing was no doubt a distraction for us Dub and Wexicans the past few days, but it's run it's course!

Now. Will Galway overcome their inability to beat Dublin in championship?

Will Wexford put the stripey men out of the championship?

Indeed, will Waterford suffer the same fate?

The round robin has certainly proved its worth."
It has. Its been great for hurling. Lads are complaining about being eliminated by May but every Leinster County will have had at least 5 games and every Munster county 4. More than used to be the case and alot more than the early mid 90s when many counties only got 1 game.

Predictions from a head rather than heart point of view-
Galway
Kilkenny(aaaaagggggghhhhhh)
Cork
Waterford
But if all four games were to go the other way it wouldn't be at all surprising!
So a 4 game accum to net a decent return-
Galway
Wexford(that's better!!)
Cork
Waterford

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5224 - 18/05/2022 10:53:51    2418311

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The Hegarty thing was no doubt a distraction for us Dub and Wexicans the past few days, but it's run it's course!

Now. Will Galway overcome their inability to beat Dublin in championship?

Will Wexford put the stripey men out of the championship?

Indeed, will Waterford suffer the same fate?

The round robin has certainly proved its worth."
All form suggests that Wexford and Dublin wont win at the weekend in my opinion but I dont think KK and Galway are world beaters either. I'd be very disappointed if Tipp can't beat Cork. I actually missed the second half of the Cork-Waterford game and I was shocked to hear people talk about the work rate of Lehane and Harnedy. I thought both were a disgrace in the first half. Lehane ran through a ruck at one point and missed the ball - the ruck continued and he walked away from it without turning around. Harnedy looked completely disinterested and made no effort to defend once possession was lost. Cork won because Waterford were icredibly poor. As I say I missed the second half but I did like what I seen in terms of direct ball and I think Tipp have been very poor in all 3 games but I'd be expecting us to beat a poor Cork side in Thurles. Clare will surely rest the likes of Kelly, Conlan and O'Donnell so Waterford surely will have enough for them.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3467 - 18/05/2022 10:54:18    2418312

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Replying To clooney:  "In fairness Brian wanted to talk about the " 4 In a row" Marty questioned the penalty probably not best Moment probably entitled to lost the temper a bit as Marty kept deviating to the referees performance.
Cody has been there so many years in my book anyway he has a lot of class"
Had. After the handshake - it shows he has zero class these days.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3467 - 18/05/2022 10:55:48    2418313

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I'll possibly live to regret this but I'm going to throw it out there anyway. Hurling ratings imo with one round Robin to go(This could age badly)

1) Limerick
2) Kilkenny
3) Galway
4) Clare
5) Waterford/Cork
6) Dublin
7) Tipp
8) Wexford

I said at the beginning I fancied clare and Dublin to get through into AI series. I didn't see Waterford struggling and esp at home v cork. I didn't think cork would win a game in munster. They might win two now. I still fancy kilkenny to win Leinster in croke park and probably a repeat v Galway. I think kilkenny have a nice balance and i like Reid at centre back to free deegan to the wing. The 2 walshes in HF line are key for me esp if they can keep cody and TJ inside. Its just my opinion but as a Limerick man kk would be a team I think could cause us trouble. I'd have both these two teams just ahead of clare who have had a big year so far but they'll need to support Tony Kelly when the big stuff happens. They have a super FB line which for me is where you start yo build an AI winning team. Galway are getting healthy and should put it up to kk in leinster final it that's how it transpires but I'd still fancy kk. I think Galway could cause teams a lot of trouble still this year though.

Waterford or cork if they come through could get momentum still esp Waterford but they are now relying on cork losing in thurles which I think could easily happen.

Last point the more i think of it the more I fell Brian Lohan might go very strong v Waterford. He'll want to keep this momentum going and esp in front of a big home support. It's also another huge test before the munster final to keep the team primed.

But like all round Robins game week 5 there will be a surprise surely.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 793 - 18/05/2022 10:57:03    2418317

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "The form guide would suggest Wexford have no hope against the Cats. That being said, I dont rate the Cats like many do."
At the moment it's hard to say for definite but I've a feeling the munster teams are still a bit ahead of leinster. It will be the quarters before we'll get to see it. My gut feeling is all 3 munster teams are better than leinster at the moment. Galway are strengthening their panel all the time so opinion might change if they put in a decent performance in the leinster final.
Don't know if the round robin will have a grandstand finish. For munster I think the last round will be hard to beat.
Cork to finish the job against tipp now that they have finally copped on to the importance of good workrate..
The cats to beat Wexford and that's it and a repeat of galway versus kilkenny leinster final

Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 366 - 18/05/2022 10:58:04    2418319

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Replying To Sugary_tae:  "Just my two cents

I think Kiely has a very valid point in terms of Gearoid not being referred fairly. He's certainly been no angel over the years if you see the amount of special attention he gets now, without getting frees it's actually laughable. In both the Clare and tipp games he was hauled to the ground at least twice off the ball to stop him making runs prior to puck outs and the amount of pulling and dragging most refs allow on him (due to his size) prior to getting a free isnt great. The issue I would have is he's being referreed in reputation (and gleeson also). I was at the halfway in the terrace at the Clare game and both his bookings happened in front of me. Clearly Lyon's didn't see the first booking…he booked on the linesman's opinion. For card no two I was Barely twenty yards away…. I couldn't tell you did he hit Fitzgerald I just saw the exaggerated fall. I'll be honest I assumed Gearoid must have hit him a tap but I wasn't certain. It's human nature. Listening to the likes of Donal og et al. My issue is the ref clearly didn't see it. Neither did either linesman he was relying on one umpire about 50 yards away who had a limited view. …. You've got to be sure!! He knows it's a red if he gives the yellow. He's gone on reputation and frankly that's not good enough.

The bigger issue I would have if I was John Kiely is we haven't been able to buy a free in our last two matches. I've no objection with any frees we concede. We play a high pressure game and we are a hardy big physical team. But fouls on us need to be give too. Tipp free count was 16/7 and Clare game was 14/7 which didn't reflect the physical pressure, hassling and harrying and no little devil from tipp and Clare in our last two games. Ennis was an absolute bear pit. It was fantastic both sides knocking lumps out of each other but if a ref is only whistling one side then players are going to get very frustrated. We're not a team of angels but if we get the frees we deserve I'm not so sure tipp or Clare would have been as close as we came close to the full time. I don't think I've ever seen Declan hannon so wound up as after the conlon free.
Worth remembering that gillanes pull on Maher came after at least 3 balls where easily he could have gotten 1 free. Not an excuse and he could have little issue if he had gotten a red but players are human too."
I'd agree with your comments. I also have no complaint about the frees that are awarded against us. I know that we're not a bunch of angels. I'd like us to do more to reduce the number but that's on Limerick to manage that aspect. What's not right is the systematic fouling by other teams against Limerick that are rarely called. The other aspect about Limerick is that our players do not simulate. They usually take a belt and stay standing. That's to their credit and I wish other counties would do the same.

Hegarty came out after the Galway league match and admitted that he deserved his red card and that he was sorry for what he did in hitting the Galway player.

You can criticize Limerick for a lot of stuff but there's an honesty about them (and KK) that's becoming rarer.

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 798 - 18/05/2022 10:58:04    2418320

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Replying To Viking66:  "It has. Its been great for hurling. Lads are complaining about being eliminated by May but every Leinster County will have had at least 5 games and every Munster county 4. More than used to be the case and alot more than the early mid 90s when many counties only got 1 game.

Predictions from a head rather than heart point of view-
Galway
Kilkenny(aaaaagggggghhhhhh)
Cork
Waterford
But if all four games were to go the other way it wouldn't be at all surprising!
So a 4 game accum to net a decent return-
Galway
Wexford(that's better!!)
Cork
Waterford"
It's either Kilkenny or Wexford or a draw.
My predictions are....
Galway v Dublin..........GALWAY
Tipperary v Cork.........Tipperary
Clare v Waterford.......Waterford
Kilkenny v Wexford....Wexford

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1591 - 18/05/2022 11:27:59    2418337

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Replying To Dealer:  "I'd agree with your comments. I also have no complaint about the frees that are awarded against us. I know that we're not a bunch of angels. I'd like us to do more to reduce the number but that's on Limerick to manage that aspect. What's not right is the systematic fouling by other teams against Limerick that are rarely called. The other aspect about Limerick is that our players do not simulate. They usually take a belt and stay standing. That's to their credit and I wish other counties would do the same.

Hegarty came out after the Galway league match and admitted that he deserved his red card and that he was sorry for what he did in hitting the Galway player.

You can criticize Limerick for a lot of stuff but there's an honesty about them (and KK) that's becoming rarer."
I think the perfect example of this was conlons forceful shoulder into hannons upper chest/chin area for limericks last score. It was high, wreckless and a definite red esp if hannon drops to the ground which he could nearly have been entitled to giving the nature of the hit. But he stood his ground. Hurling has never been more physical and intense yet we are seeing simulation creeping in more and more and people wonder why referees have a hard job.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 793 - 18/05/2022 12:00:18    2418345

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Replying To daveboy:  "I think the perfect example of this was conlons forceful shoulder into hannons upper chest/chin area for limericks last score. It was high, wreckless and a definite red esp if hannon drops to the ground which he could nearly have been entitled to giving the nature of the hit. But he stood his ground. Hurling has never been more physical and intense yet we are seeing simulation creeping in more and more and people wonder why referees have a hard job."
Surely not a red seriously, a yellow yes if a shoulder like that warranted a red Jackie T would not have as many all Irelands as he has. Conlon mis timed it fair play to Hannon for not going down though .

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 740 - 18/05/2022 12:57:39    2418368

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Replying To clooney:  "Surely not a red seriously, a yellow yes if a shoulder like that warranted a red Jackie T would not have as many all Irelands as he has. Conlon mis timed it fair play to Hannon for not going down though ."
Sorry I'd agree with you it probably wasn't a red card offense but if hannon had made more then the decision is in lyons hands to make a big call . I should have made that a bit clearer.That's the point we're trying to make. Sunday was extremely physical and in 99% of the cases it was fair and tough. It was mistimed and a bit wreckless by conlon but I wouldn't have any issue with that. It happens. On another day he could have been in big trouble.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 793 - 18/05/2022 13:38:53    2418396

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My god can we just let this card issue go, it's Wednesday for gods sake

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2228 - 18/05/2022 13:56:34    2418402

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Replying To daveboy:  "I'll possibly live to regret this but I'm going to throw it out there anyway. Hurling ratings imo with one round Robin to go(This could age badly)

1) Limerick
2) Kilkenny
3) Galway
4) Clare
5) Waterford/Cork
6) Dublin
7) Tipp
8) Wexford

I said at the beginning I fancied clare and Dublin to get through into AI series. I didn't see Waterford struggling and esp at home v cork. I didn't think cork would win a game in munster. They might win two now. I still fancy kilkenny to win Leinster in croke park and probably a repeat v Galway. I think kilkenny have a nice balance and i like Reid at centre back to free deegan to the wing. The 2 walshes in HF line are key for me esp if they can keep cody and TJ inside. Its just my opinion but as a Limerick man kk would be a team I think could cause us trouble. I'd have both these two teams just ahead of clare who have had a big year so far but they'll need to support Tony Kelly when the big stuff happens. They have a super FB line which for me is where you start yo build an AI winning team. Galway are getting healthy and should put it up to kk in leinster final it that's how it transpires but I'd still fancy kk. I think Galway could cause teams a lot of trouble still this year though.

Waterford or cork if they come through could get momentum still esp Waterford but they are now relying on cork losing in thurles which I think could easily happen.

Last point the more i think of it the more I fell Brian Lohan might go very strong v Waterford. He'll want to keep this momentum going and esp in front of a big home support. It's also another huge test before the munster final to keep the team primed.

But like all round Robins game week 5 there will be a surprise surely."
I could maybe make an argument for Galway being the same as Clare but no way are Clare lower than KK. Clare are the only team in the third year of trying to get anything off of Limerick.

I think Galway have a kick in them but would still put them 3rd behind Clare and Limerick

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2228 - 18/05/2022 13:59:46    2418403

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