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Replying To tiobraid:  "To be fair theres a Youtube video of Jackie targetting the youngest player on a number of opposition teams for some brutal tackles when he was playing, so a flick of the hurley for him can't be seen as much in his eyes. The reason Hegarty has a reputation is from his own acts of stupidity, just like Gillane has a reputation - as has Gleeson and Cathal Barrett. In soccer terms no one ever questioned Keane or Vieira being targetted by refs as they were players who never learned to control their emotions. While it should have been only one yellow from the evidence I seen, I also said after 5 mins that one of McInerney or Hegarty would be sent off. Similiarly Gleeson could be seen laughing and goading the Cork player in that match. These lads havent matured and you just dont get away with it at intercounty level. DJ Carey and Eoin Kelly came in for a lot worse treatment and I dont recall many red cards there - do your talking on the scoreboard."
I would agree with you on most of that. My issue is the poor implementation of the rules because of the reputation last sunday. I had no problem with hegartys red v Galway and gillanes 2 yellows v clare in the league. None whatsoever. They were wrong and correctly sent off. My issue was with last Sundays performance of the officials. For me I think it'll work to limericks advantage going forward because its been shown now that at times certain players are treated by who they are and not what they have done on the field. I think deep down most would agree. I totally get why some hurling folk outside limerick enjoy seeing gillane/hegarty/hayes even wod getting cards. They are a very in your face type of player which you need to do what limerick are doing. They sometimes go over the line and should get their rewards when they do. Clare and Tipp would love lads like that in their team. In limerick we have accepted these guys will tread that line. What I find unacceptable was the victimisation or hegarty by officials last Sunday. I think it's fair to say that happened.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 17/05/2022 12:41:55    2418094

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Replying To Ban:  "No need to apologize - I understand I can be a bit all over the place on forums and frustrate posters. Just thought be better to explain."
Ban most people here are all over the place, it's like the middle 8 in Munster championship match with fellas banging into each other. Like Tommy Tiernan once described hurling as a game similar to '30 chimps playing golf with 1 ball'. This forum at the moment is like that.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 661 - 17/05/2022 13:40:13    2418112

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "TJ Ryan said on Anthony Daly podcast last night that the first yellow was not for the quick sideline but rather a clip Hegarty gave David Mc before the ball went out of play."
Well Loughnane called McNamara a disgrace and called for Lohan to sort out this behaviour, that's 1 of yer own calling out his actions.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 661 - 17/05/2022 13:43:07    2418114

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Replying To daveboy:  "I would agree with you on most of that. My issue is the poor implementation of the rules because of the reputation last sunday. I had no problem with hegartys red v Galway and gillanes 2 yellows v clare in the league. None whatsoever. They were wrong and correctly sent off. My issue was with last Sundays performance of the officials. For me I think it'll work to limericks advantage going forward because its been shown now that at times certain players are treated by who they are and not what they have done on the field. I think deep down most would agree. I totally get why some hurling folk outside limerick enjoy seeing gillane/hegarty/hayes even wod getting cards. They are a very in your face type of player which you need to do what limerick are doing. They sometimes go over the line and should get their rewards when they do. Clare and Tipp would love lads like that in their team. In limerick we have accepted these guys will tread that line. What I find unacceptable was the victimisation or hegarty by officials last Sunday. I think it's fair to say that happened."
Serious question (one I dont know the answer too) - how many Limerick players have been sent off in championship hurling since this Limerick team really came on the scene in 2018? Can you name them? Not a smart comment but I'm just curious as to the answer to that?
Back in 2019 you may remember John McGraths second yellow against Wexford - he was on the ground and he flicked at the Wexford hurler running by. He made no contact with the player but with the players hurl. I said it at the time that was an act of stupidity and was a yellow card all day long as the ball was in the Wexford players hand.

45min 22secs into the game (1:56:30 into the youtube video) shows the angle that he made no contact what so ever with the player (just his hurl) but it was a yellow all day long and was rightly not appealed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8jouiuCHE

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3511 - 17/05/2022 13:48:08    2418115

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Replying To updwell:  "Ban most people here are all over the place, it's like the middle 8 in Munster championship match with fellas banging into each other. Like Tommy Tiernan once described hurling as a game similar to '30 chimps playing golf with 1 ball'. This forum at the moment is like that."
Having lurked around this board for years, it is mostly the same. Plenty of supporters cry foul when they are on the receiving end, and then when they are doling it out they have a blind spot.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 210 - 17/05/2022 13:54:16    2418120

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At this point it would be no harm to drive on from the sending off. This time I believe Hegarty was wronged by officials who overall had a decent game but was mainly wronged by the player who made a meal of the incident. Both sets of supporters will see it from their point of view. The arguments could go on forever.

It shouldn't overshadow a cracker of a game with 2 teams going at it hard but fairly.
Sets things up brilliantly for 3 weeks time which I can only assume

Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 366 - 17/05/2022 14:03:48    2418126

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Replying To tiobraid:  "How do you know? Theres plenty of people debating it after watching it loads of times. For the Gillane incident the week before most pundits said a yellow and Brian Gavin and a number of referees (per the IE podcast) said it was a red. In that case he could easily have taken 5 mins. I'm all for the right decision but where do you draw the line - no one wants hurling slowed down."
But you could say that about every decision. Colm Lyons might have sent him off but at least he can come to a reasoned conclusion.

I had a look at the timeline:
61:33 on the clock when the tackle happened.
61:46 the whole country saw a replay bar the 18k plus, critically, Colm Lyons.
62:07 he was talking to the linesman.
62:35 he got to the umpires
63:30 he got back to the linesman
63:45 he sent Hegarty off.

So it took 2 minutes 22 seconds to come up with a guess decision. Do you not think he would have got to the sideline in 20-30 seconds and in a quicker timeline than 2 minutes would have established whether or not he needed to send him off?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 210 - 17/05/2022 14:05:09    2418127

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "But you could say that about every decision. Colm Lyons might have sent him off but at least he can come to a reasoned conclusion.

I had a look at the timeline:
61:33 on the clock when the tackle happened.
61:46 the whole country saw a replay bar the 18k plus, critically, Colm Lyons.
62:07 he was talking to the linesman.
62:35 he got to the umpires
63:30 he got back to the linesman
63:45 he sent Hegarty off.

So it took 2 minutes 22 seconds to come up with a guess decision. Do you not think he would have got to the sideline in 20-30 seconds and in a quicker timeline than 2 minutes would have established whether or not he needed to send him off?"
Great post

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 17/05/2022 14:11:17    2418130

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Serious question (one I dont know the answer too) - how many Limerick players have been sent off in championship hurling since this Limerick team really came on the scene in 2018? Can you name them? Not a smart comment but I'm just curious as to the answer to that?
Back in 2019 you may remember John McGraths second yellow against Wexford - he was on the ground and he flicked at the Wexford hurler running by. He made no contact with the player but with the players hurl. I said it at the time that was an act of stupidity and was a yellow card all day long as the ball was in the Wexford players hand.

45min 22secs into the game (1:56:30 into the youtube video) shows the angle that he made no contact what so ever with the player (just his hurl) but it was a yellow all day long and was rightly not appealed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8jouiuCHE"
Aaron Gillane 2018 v cork
Tom condon 2018 v clare
Peter casey 2020 (rescinded)
Hegarty 2022(about to be rescinded)

Limerick would be in the lower percentages of teams in last 4 championships with soon to be 2 in last 4 years and not since condon 2018

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 17/05/2022 14:19:42    2418139

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "But you could say that about every decision. Colm Lyons might have sent him off but at least he can come to a reasoned conclusion.

I had a look at the timeline:
61:33 on the clock when the tackle happened.
61:46 the whole country saw a replay bar the 18k plus, critically, Colm Lyons.
62:07 he was talking to the linesman.
62:35 he got to the umpires
63:30 he got back to the linesman
63:45 he sent Hegarty off.

So it took 2 minutes 22 seconds to come up with a guess decision. Do you not think he would have got to the sideline in 20-30 seconds and in a quicker timeline than 2 minutes would have established whether or not he needed to send him off?"
Coming to a reasoned conclusion in game between Clare and Limerick in a packed Cusack Park! Good luck with that!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1283 - 17/05/2022 14:21:44    2418141

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Having lurked around this board for years, it is mostly the same. Plenty of supporters cry foul when they are on the receiving end, and then when they are doling it out they have a blind spot."
So True

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 752 - 17/05/2022 14:28:39    2418143

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Replying To Mads:  "At this point it would be no harm to drive on from the sending off. This time I believe Hegarty was wronged by officials who overall had a decent game but was mainly wronged by the player who made a meal of the incident. Both sets of supporters will see it from their point of view. The arguments could go on forever.

It shouldn't overshadow a cracker of a game with 2 teams going at it hard but fairly.
Sets things up brilliantly for 3 weeks time which I can only assume"
Clare Player was totally wrong but why did Gearoid swipe the sliothar was in the Claremans hand so he wasn't going to get any advantage for Limerick to me it was stupid but you are right drive on now to Munster Final

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 752 - 17/05/2022 14:32:47    2418145

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Replying To midlands:  "I'm not jumping on any Limerick-bashing bandwagon, Oldtourman, but you only have to go back 12 months. It didn't get much publicity at the time but near the end of the Limerick-Tipp league game last May young Bryan O'Meara got a slightly late dunt from Kyle Hayes which resulted in a broken arm. It ruled him out for the rest of the season but thankfully, as he showed in the Fitzgibbon Cup, he has made a complete recovery and but for the fact that he's gone travelling he would surely have been a certain starter for Tipp. The incident wasn't shown clearly on television but Brian Gavin referred to it in the Examiner as "a nasty chop", I think. On a general note, I'm not so sure that "the big three" get more favourable treatment from the media. There was less scrutiny by pundits 15-20 years ago, and no social media frenzy, so KK, or any other team, weren't under the microscope to the same extent. I agree the foul on Sean Finn was nasty but I wouldn't regard Cork as a dirty team. I know many of their followers wish they were more physical! Limerick have been excessively targetted and like most teams they have been victims of some bad decisions (like last Sunday) but they've also got away with a few. The worry for Limrick is that some of their best players seem to attract attention regularly but I'm sure John Kiely is dealing with that."
Much later than that, only 7 or eight years ago Cody bawled Marty Morrissey out of it when he asked him a very simple question, about his team. The response back in the Studio was interesting. No condemnation of Cody's behaviour, only a sneering comment from Marty's fellow County man Loughnane 'will somebody pick Marty off the floor'. Can you imagine the barrage of criticism that would fall on Kielys if made a verbal attack, of the same nature, on a hugely respected Journalist. I am not too sure that you right when you say the 'big Three' do not get favourable treatment from the Media. Eamon Cregan had these boys taped back in 2001.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3666 - 17/05/2022 14:50:56    2418153

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Replying To updwell:  "Well Loughnane called McNamara a disgrace and called for Lohan to sort out this behaviour, that's 1 of yer own calling out his actions."
Who is mcNamara?

If you are referred to Fitzgerald, I have repeatedly said that he was a disgrace and an embarrassment. What more do you want?

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2247 - 17/05/2022 14:54:21    2418156

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Replying To daveboy:  "
Replying To tiobraid:  "Serious question (one I dont know the answer too) - how many Limerick players have been sent off in championship hurling since this Limerick team really came on the scene in 2018? Can you name them? Not a smart comment but I'm just curious as to the answer to that?
Back in 2019 you may remember John McGraths second yellow against Wexford - he was on the ground and he flicked at the Wexford hurler running by. He made no contact with the player but with the players hurl. I said it at the time that was an act of stupidity and was a yellow card all day long as the ball was in the Wexford players hand.

45min 22secs into the game (1:56:30 into the youtube video) shows the angle that he made no contact what so ever with the player (just his hurl) but it was a yellow all day long and was rightly not appealed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8jouiuCHE"
Aaron Gillane 2018 v cork
Tom condon 2018 v clare
Peter casey 2020 (rescinded)
Hegarty 2022(about to be rescinded)

Limerick would be in the lower percentages of teams in last 4 championships with soon to be 2 in last 4 years and not since condon 2018"
It'll actually be in the last 5 seasons. That a very small number. I'd guess the likes of Laois, Waterford and other counties have more. My point being Limerick are certainly not being unfairly targeted as the dabate is nearly always that a Limerick foul should be a red rather than a red card being an unfair punishment.
Anyway as another poster said - time to move on.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3511 - 17/05/2022 15:06:55    2418162

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Replying To daveboy:  "
Replying To tiobraid:  "Serious question (one I dont know the answer too) - how many Limerick players have been sent off in championship hurling since this Limerick team really came on the scene in 2018? Can you name them? Not a smart comment but I'm just curious as to the answer to that?
Back in 2019 you may remember John McGraths second yellow against Wexford - he was on the ground and he flicked at the Wexford hurler running by. He made no contact with the player but with the players hurl. I said it at the time that was an act of stupidity and was a yellow card all day long as the ball was in the Wexford players hand.

45min 22secs into the game (1:56:30 into the youtube video) shows the angle that he made no contact what so ever with the player (just his hurl) but it was a yellow all day long and was rightly not appealed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8jouiuCHE"
Aaron Gillane 2018 v cork
Tom condon 2018 v clare
Peter casey 2020 (rescinded)
Hegarty 2022(about to be rescinded)

Limerick would be in the lower percentages of teams in last 4 championships with soon to be 2 in last 4 years and not since condon 2018"
Casey 2021 not 2020

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 17/05/2022 15:08:01    2418163

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Replying To tiobraid:  "
Replying To daveboy:  "[quote=tiobraid:  "Serious question (one I dont know the answer too) - how many Limerick players have been sent off in championship hurling since this Limerick team really came on the scene in 2018? Can you name them? Not a smart comment but I'm just curious as to the answer to that?
Back in 2019 you may remember John McGraths second yellow against Wexford - he was on the ground and he flicked at the Wexford hurler running by. He made no contact with the player but with the players hurl. I said it at the time that was an act of stupidity and was a yellow card all day long as the ball was in the Wexford players hand.

45min 22secs into the game (1:56:30 into the youtube video) shows the angle that he made no contact what so ever with the player (just his hurl) but it was a yellow all day long and was rightly not appealed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8jouiuCHE"
Aaron Gillane 2018 v cork
Tom condon 2018 v clare
Peter casey 2020 (rescinded)
Hegarty 2022(about to be rescinded)

Limerick would be in the lower percentages of teams in last 4 championships with soon to be 2 in last 4 years and not since condon 2018"
It'll actually be in the last 5 seasons. That a very small number. I'd guess the likes of Laois, Waterford and other counties have more. My point being Limerick are certainly not being unfairly targeted as the dabate is nearly always that a Limerick foul should be a red rather than a red card being an unfair punishment.
Anyway as another poster said - time to move on."]100%

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 17/05/2022 15:52:47    2418178

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Replying To tiobraid:  "
Replying To daveboy:  "[quote=tiobraid:  "Serious question (one I dont know the answer too) - how many Limerick players have been sent off in championship hurling since this Limerick team really came on the scene in 2018? Can you name them? Not a smart comment but I'm just curious as to the answer to that?
Back in 2019 you may remember John McGraths second yellow against Wexford - he was on the ground and he flicked at the Wexford hurler running by. He made no contact with the player but with the players hurl. I said it at the time that was an act of stupidity and was a yellow card all day long as the ball was in the Wexford players hand.

45min 22secs into the game (1:56:30 into the youtube video) shows the angle that he made no contact what so ever with the player (just his hurl) but it was a yellow all day long and was rightly not appealed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8jouiuCHE"
Aaron Gillane 2018 v cork
Tom condon 2018 v clare
Peter casey 2020 (rescinded)
Hegarty 2022(about to be rescinded)

Limerick would be in the lower percentages of teams in last 4 championships with soon to be 2 in last 4 years and not since condon 2018"
It'll actually be in the last 5 seasons. That a very small number. I'd guess the likes of Laois, Waterford and other counties have more. My point being Limerick are certainly not being unfairly targeted as the dabate is nearly always that a Limerick foul should be a red rather than a red card being an unfair punishment.
Anyway as another poster said - time to move on."]My main point was last Sundays victimisation of one player and what is incorrectly perceived as limerick being a dirty team but yes time to move on.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 17/05/2022 16:03:54    2418184

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Much later than that, only 7 or eight years ago Cody bawled Marty Morrissey out of it when he asked him a very simple question, about his team. The response back in the Studio was interesting. No condemnation of Cody's behaviour, only a sneering comment from Marty's fellow County man Loughnane 'will somebody pick Marty off the floor'. Can you imagine the barrage of criticism that would fall on Kielys if made a verbal attack, of the same nature, on a hugely respected Journalist. I am not too sure that you right when you say the 'big Three' do not get favourable treatment from the Media. Eamon Cregan had these boys taped back in 2001."
I think you're referring to the aftermath of the 2009 final when Marty quizzed Cody about the controversial penalty which probably decided the game. Cody's response was way over the top, I agree, and should have been condemned in the studio. The second part of your post is irrelevant, I suggest, because John Kiely has too much class to verbally attack a journalist in that way.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 387 - 17/05/2022 16:39:50    2418202

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Replying To baire:  "Coming to a reasoned conclusion in game between Clare and Limerick in a packed Cusack Park! Good luck with that!"
Thank you Exiled, a very well laid-out explanation of the issues involved.

You come to a very well-reasoned conclusion of the game between Limerick and Clare; one which most Clare and Limerick people would agree with.

Only a ram's **** of a brain would have to wish you "Good luck with that!"

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1216 - 17/05/2022 17:23:07    2418212

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