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Replying To updwell:  "The Gillane incident could be seen both ways and anyone saying Aaron looking at Maher proves his guilt or swinging back towards his own goals proves nothing. You have to look at the person you're engaged with to pick up on what they are doing while there are as many balls passed backwards now as go forward. At the end of the day it's a fast game and the ref in general gave Tipp more than he gave Limerick up until that incident. A Tipp player picked a ball off the ground and they scored from it while Heffernan threw a hand pass with his back to the ref and Tipp also scored off that so these things even themselves out. If a ref ever decides to pull Barrett for his fouling he'll be pulled for 10 frees in a game.
As for pundits their out to make a few euros and say something different, it's all a money racket but I do like Cummins and find he knows the game and doesn't have an agenda."
I am blue in the face from saying that slow motion is totally wrong for analysis of incidents. It makes it look like the player has time to alter his course to avoid hitting an opponent. Gillane went in to win a ball with no intent to injure. With the speed of the game from the initiate of the action a lot of thing can and do occur to change the outcome. It was at the most as called a yellow because it could be interrupted as some what reckless. Even that is subjective. Foran the same during the league when he went in to hit a shoulder and his opponent went down taking it to the head. The day the pundits call the shots on refereeing, the games is screwed. Best ignored all together as the few they get right is of no significance.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 09/05/2022 19:58:57    2416070

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Replying To midlands:  "Daly's "analysis" on TV yesterday was the most one-sided I have heard in a long time. He questioned several decisions that went Tipp's way but was in no doubt about anything Limerick got. He also suggested that a few Tipp lads should have got yellow cards. Apart from his (brief) involvement with Limerick's academy, which he loves to remind us about every so often, he has never been a lover of Tipperary. The same could be said about Tyrrell and Davy Fitz, and to suggest that the issue is conclusive because these three happened to agree is not logical. Contributions on social media over the last 24 hours almost all suggest it should have been a red card, but I wouldn't claim that's conclusive either."
Yeah social media where no one has an agenda and comes on with an open mind before making a comment. Tipp got a lot of decisions yesterday that could have went the Limerick way so maybe things evened themselves out over the 70 mins.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 845 - 09/05/2022 20:00:09    2416071

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Replying To midlands:  "Daly's "analysis" on TV yesterday was the most one-sided I have heard in a long time. He questioned several decisions that went Tipp's way but was in no doubt about anything Limerick got. He also suggested that a few Tipp lads should have got yellow cards. Apart from his (brief) involvement with Limerick's academy, which he loves to remind us about every so often, he has never been a lover of Tipperary. The same could be said about Tyrrell and Davy Fitz, and to suggest that the issue is conclusive because these three happened to agree is not logical. Contributions on social media over the last 24 hours almost all suggest it should have been a red card, but I wouldn't claim that's conclusive either."
And you would listen to social media before three All Ireland legends!!

Another poster made a very valid point on the Limerick Hurling thread yesterday. Limerick are getting fewer frees than other teams because they don't hit the ground (simulation) when they get a belt.
Can someone tell me the last time they saw a Limerick player going down easy? To the best of my knowledge it was Diarmuid Byrnes v Clare in Cusack in 2018. I was embarrassed the same day with those antics.
Is it not shameful to see hurlers rolling around a pitch trying to get opponents sent off!

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 09/05/2022 21:36:43    2416088

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I'll probably be vilified by my own county posters on this.i think gillane was very lucky to escape with only a yellow..a saving grace for him was having only one hand on his hurley when he pulled..I think if it had been our local inter county ref then he would have been walked for it..I also think that some of the anslysts just don't like limerick at all ,never has a good word for them..I actually like daly,tyrell and dowling because they are honest and say it as it is..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2372 - 09/05/2022 22:02:34    2416096

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Replying To midlands:  "Daly's "analysis" on TV yesterday was the most one-sided I have heard in a long time. He questioned several decisions that went Tipp's way but was in no doubt about anything Limerick got. He also suggested that a few Tipp lads should have got yellow cards. Apart from his (brief) involvement with Limerick's academy, which he loves to remind us about every so often, he has never been a lover of Tipperary. The same could be said about Tyrrell and Davy Fitz, and to suggest that the issue is conclusive because these three happened to agree is not logical. Contributions on social media over the last 24 hours almost all suggest it should have been a red card, but I wouldn't claim that's conclusive either."
Just simply not true. It was not a red card. Time to move on and talk about more interesting things like how Brilliant a hurler he is

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 10/05/2022 07:53:07    2416099

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Dublin hurlers are doing alright this year Barney. They can qualify from Leinster this year."
Hopefully that's in their own hands now, Need a big show against the Cats on Saturday. Would nearly go as far as to put it down as the defining game of the year for them, regardless of what happens after that. Not anywhere near being overall contenders so should be looking at Leinster as their optimum realistic goal.

Good win for your minors last Saturday. Some nice hurlers and obviously JP has them well schooled. Be nice to see a change in that grade at least.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3099 - 10/05/2022 10:27:53    2416141

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Replying To katser:  "Great price for Clare v limrik 3/1... lump the house on the Banner!! Cork 13/5 v a Waterford side that haven't been playing as good as they did in the League.......mmmm I'll chew over that particular game for the week and decide later! Galway, Wexford and Kilkenny are certs to win.
Now that I think about it...defeat for Waterford v Cork would be disastrous because I'd expect the Banner to win in Ennis v Waterford!!"
Agree Waterford wouldnt want to be going to Ennis needing a win. Still fancy them against Cork.
I'll go for-
Waterford
Limerick
Wexford
Galway
Dublin.
Although it wouldnt be a shock to me if Clare, Cork and Kilkenny all win.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13779 - 10/05/2022 11:03:23    2416164

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Interesting 2 matches coming up. Neither clare nor Waterford will want to lose. They could still both be dragged into a dogfight on the last weekend esp playing each other. Waterford should beat cork but like Tipp last Sunday I expect Cork to bring a lot on Sunday. Waterford will have a nice bit of pressure on them with huge expectation to win at home. Clare are being fancied to beat limerick with limerick already through but after watching kielys interview post match I think he'll put out a strong 15 and he'll demand a big improvement in energy and intensity than that first hour v Tipp. There will be lads dropping out. Likes of o neill, morrissey, mul, hego were all carrying knocks by the finish. This will be a very tough 15 to pick from a limerick perspective.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 10/05/2022 11:40:06    2416189

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Hopefully that's in their own hands now, Need a big show against the Cats on Saturday. Would nearly go as far as to put it down as the defining game of the year for them, regardless of what happens after that. Not anywhere near being overall contenders so should be looking at Leinster as their optimum realistic goal.

Good win for your minors last Saturday. Some nice hurlers and obviously JP has them well schooled. Be nice to see a change in that grade at least."
No reason ye can't win Leinster this year Barney. From watching all the games between the 4 favourites this year you couldn't say any of them are unbeatable.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13779 - 10/05/2022 12:45:35    2416219

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Replying To Seeking_silver:  "And you would listen to social media before three All Ireland legends!!

Another poster made a very valid point on the Limerick Hurling thread yesterday. Limerick are getting fewer frees than other teams because they don't hit the ground (simulation) when they get a belt.
Can someone tell me the last time they saw a Limerick player going down easy? To the best of my knowledge it was Diarmuid Byrnes v Clare in Cusack in 2018. I was embarrassed the same day with those antics.
Is it not shameful to see hurlers rolling around a pitch trying to get opponents sent off!"
Unfortunately the game is becoming plagued by guys rolling around a pitch followed by the obligatory helmet removal. Its pathetic carry on.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2084 - 10/05/2022 13:42:04    2416243

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Replying To Bon:  "Unfortunately the game is becoming plagued by guys rolling around a pitch followed by the obligatory helmet removal. Its pathetic carry on."
I'm not saying we should go back to the days when helmets weren't compulsory but you are 100% right Bon. And lads pointing to their helmet after minimal contact to try get a fellow player sent off.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13779 - 10/05/2022 15:39:51    2416310

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Replying To Viking66:  "No reason ye can't win Leinster this year Barney. From watching all the games between the 4 favourites this year you couldn't say any of them are unbeatable."
Not so sure. I still fancy Limerick and not confident that Dublin would do well against either of the other likely Munster contenders.

Even though the Cats are clearly not as formidable as before, funnily enough I think they might be the only team that might put it up to Limerick. Cody is obviously obsessed with getting another crack at them and it might well be his swansong if it happens.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3099 - 10/05/2022 16:25:06    2416330

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Replying To Bon:  "Unfortunately the game is becoming plagued by guys rolling around a pitch followed by the obligatory helmet removal. Its pathetic carry on."
Ronan Maher was a great example if this last Sunday.

Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 879 - 10/05/2022 16:26:03    2416331

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Replying To Bon:  "Unfortunately the game is becoming plagued by guys rolling around a pitch followed by the obligatory helmet removal. Its pathetic carry on."
The first time I saw this as a concerted effort by a team was in last years munster semi final by cork v Limerick in thurles. It was so noticeable and only in watching it back could you see it was an obvious tactic. I counted on 11 separate occasions a cork plater removed his helmet after a collision and the medics all questioning the ref
The ref was having none of it. A team who engages in tactics and a collective effort like this has lost before leaving the dressing room. Don't get me wrong there are hits to the head in hurling due to the nature of the game and can require HIAs too. But when you see the replayed matches and the obvious simulation it's a very poor look.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 10/05/2022 16:38:00    2416335

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Replying To Viking66:  "I'm not saying we should go back to the days when helmets weren't compulsory but you are 100% right Bon. And lads pointing to their helmet after minimal contact to try get a fellow player sent off."
EVERY county is at this. My helmet is showing the scars of battle but I have got an injury which needed it taken off once when I got an ear injury.
If you get hit in the helmet, you haven't been shot. You have got a high tackle and there is no need to go down, roll around holding your head. If the impact is really debilitating, then you shouldn't be able to play on.
Best thing to do, bring in a mandatory HIA if the helmet comes off. This will end quickly.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1784 - 10/05/2022 16:38:44    2416336

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Replying To daveboy:  "I find it hard to agree with anyone who'd rather take the views of social media over seasoned analysts who are ex players/managers and are scrutinised on their objectivity as part of their current roles. I haven't watched the match back just saw his take on the tackle. From my view in the open stand Daly might not be far off in those views.

Either way we'll all have a take on it. I personally felt the analysis was good last night and reasoned. Whether its how you or others see it is a debate and everyone is entitled."
Read my post! I referred to social media but didn't attach any significance to it.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 581 - 10/05/2022 17:34:36    2416352

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Replying To daveboy:  "Interesting 2 matches coming up. Neither clare nor Waterford will want to lose. They could still both be dragged into a dogfight on the last weekend esp playing each other. Waterford should beat cork but like Tipp last Sunday I expect Cork to bring a lot on Sunday. Waterford will have a nice bit of pressure on them with huge expectation to win at home. Clare are being fancied to beat limerick with limerick already through but after watching kielys interview post match I think he'll put out a strong 15 and he'll demand a big improvement in energy and intensity than that first hour v Tipp. There will be lads dropping out. Likes of o neill, morrissey, mul, hego were all carrying knocks by the finish. This will be a very tough 15 to pick from a limerick perspective."
You can down play Limerick all you want but no one is "fancying" Clare to beat Limerick.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 10/05/2022 18:00:54    2416357

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "EVERY county is at this. My helmet is showing the scars of battle but I have got an injury which needed it taken off once when I got an ear injury.
If you get hit in the helmet, you haven't been shot. You have got a high tackle and there is no need to go down, roll around holding your head. If the impact is really debilitating, then you shouldn't be able to play on.
Best thing to do, bring in a mandatory HIA if the helmet comes off. This will end quickly."
They should be at least made go off the pitch for their "treament" and wait until the next time the ball goes dead to return.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2084 - 10/05/2022 18:36:31    2416362

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Not so sure. I still fancy Limerick and not confident that Dublin would do well against either of the other likely Munster contenders.

Even though the Cats are clearly not as formidable as before, funnily enough I think they might be the only team that might put it up to Limerick. Cody is obviously obsessed with getting another crack at them and it might well be his swansong if it happens."
Not sure how you would get on against the Munster sides either. But you should be a match for Galway and Kilkenny. Belief is the missing ingredient.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13779 - 10/05/2022 18:43:34    2416366

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "EVERY county is at this. My helmet is showing the scars of battle but I have got an injury which needed it taken off once when I got an ear injury.
If you get hit in the helmet, you haven't been shot. You have got a high tackle and there is no need to go down, roll around holding your head. If the impact is really debilitating, then you shouldn't be able to play on.
Best thing to do, bring in a mandatory HIA if the helmet comes off. This will end quickly."
The HIA would be another good thing to borrow from rugby for sure. In all the hurling I've seen this year Kingstons hit on Finn was the only one that looked like a really dangerous hit to the head.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13779 - 10/05/2022 18:45:10    2416367

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