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Replying To Bon: "I wouldn't agree with red card part, but you are spot on about the referee not giving Gillane any protection. Barrett is one player who gets away with murder, a most unlikable player." It was never a red card. To be honest, it was about the only call he got right all match. Between over-carrying by Tipp, Barrett's usual behaviour and the odd throw here and there, Tipp got every chance. What else would you expect from a Galway ref??
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Well lets not forget there are more than 50,000 more people living in Limerick when compared to Wexford. Limerick do have good support though." Well LRH there was 26,000 down in cork in '96 and every one admitted that about 20,000 seemed to be from Limerick and Cork have three times the population of Limerick. I often smile when I hear captains say their county's followers are 'the best supporters in Ireland'
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4465 - 09/05/2022 09:32:26
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Replying To ecad123: "What are you taking about? Barrett wasn't marking him for the first goal." Well if Barrett was even called back for half the pulling and dragging he did on Gillane, he would been destroyed a lot more.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4465 - 09/05/2022 09:34:25
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Replying To ecad123: "What are you taking about? Barrett wasn't marking him for the first goal." Wasn't marking him much for the second one either!
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Replying To Setanta11: "Wasn't marking him much for the second one either!" Very harsh. Barrett hurled well and Gillane is a top forward who technically fouled Barrett for the second goal - albeit theyre rarely given. Barrett is the Ryan McMenemin of hurling. Gets in players heads in what ever way he can but Gillane does exactly the same thing. How many times do we see him mouthing when the camera is on him. Its constant. Hes also the first forward ive seen pull on "a ball" at force in the direction of his own goal.
Thats not sour grapes as Limerick were probably going to win anyway but there is zero question he looked at Ronan before he moved to swing. I've it recorded on my phone and looked at it enough times at this stage. Like Kingston earlier in the year he was really frustrated with the previous play and lost the head at that point.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/05/2022 09:55:36
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Well LRH there was 26,000 down in cork in '96 and every one admitted that about 20,000 seemed to be from Limerick and Cork have three times the population of Limerick. I often smile when I hear captains say their county's followers are 'the best supporters in Ireland'" I would stay statistically Limerick bring more support on average than most other counties if you went back the last 20 years. Cork are probably the only Munster team who might come close and they have 3 times our population.
Surely if comes to crowds the only talking point was the lack of supporters for Tipp. The likes of Noel Mcgrath (who was immense again yesterday and a player i would pay in to watch alone) and that young Tipp team deserved a lot better.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 410 - 09/05/2022 10:09:24
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Good game yesterday. Tipp brought an intensity that Limerick usually bring and their
supporters should be proud of their team.
Limerick have the squad to win matches that they are struggling in. Flanagan and Reidy
looked very good.
Surprised at so many posters here having a dig at the ref. I thought as a neutral he did
well. I didn't see any big mistakes and its a tough job these days given the speed of the game.
carlovia (None) - Posts: 1522 - 09/05/2022 10:10:33
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Replying To Fitzy01: "I would stay statistically Limerick bring more support on average than most other counties if you went back the last 20 years. Cork are probably the only Munster team who might come close and they have 3 times our population.
Surely if comes to crowds the only talking point was the lack of supporters for Tipp. The likes of Noel Mcgrath (who was immense again yesterday and a player i would pay in to watch alone) and that young Tipp team deserved a lot better." Yes they did. Poor showing from Tipp fans yesterday. I see Paudie Maher having a go at them on twitter.
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Replying To katser: "You had the advantage of rewinding the incident on TV you would have seen Maher was trying to flick the ball up with the stick while coming outwards and Gillane was slightly behind him with two hands on the hurl ready to swing!
Even if Gillane had connected with the ball he would have drove it into the crowd!" Think you are right. Gillanes intention was to pull on the ball and knock it back out the field
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Replying To tiobraid: "Very harsh. Barrett hurled well and Gillane is a top forward who technically fouled Barrett for the second goal - albeit theyre rarely given. Barrett is the Ryan McMenemin of hurling. Gets in players heads in what ever way he can but Gillane does exactly the same thing. How many times do we see him mouthing when the camera is on him. Its constant. Hes also the first forward ive seen pull on "a ball" at force in the direction of his own goal.
Thats not sour grapes as Limerick were probably going to win anyway but there is zero question he looked at Ronan before he moved to swing. I've it recorded on my phone and looked at it enough times at this stage. Like Kingston earlier in the year he was really frustrated with the previous play and lost the head at that point." All challenges could probably be blown for some technicality. I don't think Barrett played that well on Gillane (based on relatively little ball going in to Gillane). Gillane def scored 1-1 off him, and confusion as to who should be marking him for the first goal.
Ps, see my earlier comments, I think Gillane should've seen red for the challenge (that's based on me seeing to incident just beside me at the match)
Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 45 - 09/05/2022 10:43:41
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Replying To daveboy: "A tough battle yesterday. Limerick certainly had an off day and I think Tipp might be kicking themselves a little. It is hard to reach the highs week in week out esp after 2 huge build ups to cork and Waterford matches for limerick and Tipp had shown plenty of positive signs in both their matches for me to know they wouldn't be any walkover.
Tipps tactics to hit maher or the elusive Ger browne was option one and after that it was down on the 21 route one. It was a simple game plan and worked well. It nullified trying to play through the green wall that is limericks middle 3rd. I see Galway employing this later in the year of they wwre to meet. Tipp knew they just didn't have the personnel for that kind of game plan and in fairness it worked. Limerick wont be happy with allowing Ger Browne the freedom of the field for 40 mins. Video analysis will be interesting.
Limerick were just off the pitch of the game. The energy wasn't there and Tipp really imposed a Limerick style hunger on Limerick. Shooting on both sides was poor for most of the match and it wasn't a great game but certainly exciting as it was close.
Noel mcgrath was excellent for Tipp along with Browne and I thought stakelum was good too. Barrett was up to his usual tricks on gillane which was a shame to see. The yellow for Gillane was the right call and fair play to the ref for getting it right despite the near national frenzy snd appetite for him to be red carded. Gillane is the best forward in the game.
I felt the ref was poor despite actually getting the big calls right. I felt free count of 20-7 just didn't add up to what I was watching. Limerick scored 3-16 from play to Tipps 0-10. I hate calling out refs performances but that was a poor show from Gordon. Maybe as AI champions you have to earn the free that bit more but he was very one sided for me.
Limerick will be pleased to get a win, learn valuable lessons and move on injury free for the most part. Carhal o neill rolled an ankle and a few were limping at final whistle. The Full back line were excellent as they had a mountain of ball down in top of them. Casey and Finn hoovered up some ball but also had a scary moment or two. The HB line were very slow to get into the game. Hego was sublime throughout and was my MOTM. He's unstoppable and for me one of the best hurlers in the country if not the best.
The starting 15 for clare will be a very hard one to pick. Will he look at hayes back at 7 with Flanagan Lynch and Casey all coming back into the forwards in a few weeks. Where will Dan go then? I felt limerick didn't get the best out of Hayes but he was out a few weeks and the Tipp sweeper nullied a lot.
I think Tipp will be happy enough. The young lads are blooded albeit 2 years too late but they showed up and went toe to toe with limerick. Tipp were missing a lot yesterday so park the year and things aren't as gloomy as people might think.
For Limerick it's onto the AI series where they'll be delighted. It's very hard to be at the pitch mentally, physically for 7 matches in the one year. They definitely had an off day yesterday but managed ro get out of it with a vital win. Onto clare now and I think changes will be made but kiely will still want a win." Do you think Limerick will reconsider the Kyle Hayes role personally i think he is a lot more effective at 7.
Being already qualified it might be hard for Limerick to be at full tilt next Sunday I feel Clare will have a lot more scoring power that Tipp did yesterday being short so many great forwards like McGrath Forde Callinan ect although Kiely wont want to lose any games he wont lose too much sleep if he does.
It should be a very colourful occasion next week Clare need something out of the game to be sure of qualification
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 960 - 09/05/2022 10:47:52
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tipp tried hard yesterday the jurys still out though whether tipp played well or limerick not at the races........the test now for tipp is to beat cork that display yesterday will ciount for nothing if cork beat tipp......bk to limerick i think thats the kick up the bkside that was needed and def i think all the talk beforehand of limerick winning by 20 pts plus def got to the players......with croke park back in sight again and with peter casey cian and flanagan bk to full fitness its going to take a fair outfit to beat them.
munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1130 - 09/05/2022 10:51:48
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Any year we beat tipp is a good one…any year!
Really thought we were heading into an ambush as I walked into the Gaelic grounds. This fixture is always competitive and the favourite has usually had difficulty. Tipp rarely have two bad games in a row and the pressure was off them. Given a lot of the younger tipp players have multiple u20 titles it's about time they're getting a chance.
Limerick were average enough for large parts. Badly missing lynch in my opinion to link things up. Over did a lot. Some poor wides but at least we were getting the opportunities. Given the gale in the first half I felt tipp needed to be further ahead. If they had taken a goal chance it would have been very interesting…..I felt that if Limerick could draw level we would win.
I think fitness was a big issue. Tipps younger crew aren't as far down the strength and conditioning road and started to flag at 60 mins…. Home crowd outnumbering tipp 15 to 1 definitely helped to bring the players along.
Gillane swing was interesting….. felt at the time he was lucky watching it back last night I'd tend to agree it was a yellow but another ref could give a red. He's got to be careful. I think Gordon levelled it up there. I think he could have given us a few more frees but you get days like that and you have to adapt and work it out. Besides there won't be any tears for Ronan Maher after nearly decapitating Peter Casey in the 19 Munster final.
Boylan and Flanagan brought a good bit of impact would like to see both start in Ennis. Let o'neills ankle heal up. Another game for Kyle at 11/14 preferably he needs to get into his rhythm.
Any word on the lynch recovery??
All in all to win by 7 while playing quite poorly for large periods and working out what we needed to win
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Well lets not forget there are more than 50,000 more people living in Limerick when compared to Wexford. Limerick do have good support though." And Limerick city has 80k more of a population than Wexford town.
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Replying To clooney: "Do you think Limerick will reconsider the Kyle Hayes role personally i think he is a lot more effective at 7.
Being already qualified it might be hard for Limerick to be at full tilt next Sunday I feel Clare will have a lot more scoring power that Tipp did yesterday being short so many great forwards like McGrath Forde Callinan ect although Kiely wont want to lose any games he wont lose too much sleep if he does.
It should be a very colourful occasion next week Clare need something out of the game to be sure of qualification" Looking forward to Ennis on Sunday. Its a nice position to be in already qualified like it was in 2018 when clare beat limerick comfortably enough. On Kyle Hayes I just wonder will limerick get the best out of him up top where teams can double him up, drop a sweeper and restrict possessions. In the HB line he'll get on a world of ball. He looked a bit lost out there when tipp crowded out the ball in. That said in space he's a nightmare to stop close to goal. I'd consider it a nice headache to have. I think people's opinion on a lack of depth in the limerick squad has been shown to be poor. Boylan and Reidy turned the tide yesterday or at least helped it on its way. Lynch, Flanagan, Casey, Murphy all nearing returns looking for starting jerseys alongside Reidy, Pat Ryan, Boylan, Richie English.
For next week limerick will make certain changes but I'd expect a strong enough line up. Kiely will want the energy and intensity ramped up too regardless who takes the field. It'll be tasty to say the least. Kiely will find out a bit more what some fringe players are made of perfect opportunity in Ennis. He'll also want to get another match into Tom Morrissey, Flanagan will start and if he is to persist with Hayes at 14 he'll start there too with Gillane possibly given a place on the bench.
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A few thoughts on yesterday's game:
https://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2022/05/limerick-v-tipp-talking-points.html
slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 09/05/2022 11:41:27
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Replying To clooney: "Do you think Limerick will reconsider the Kyle Hayes role personally i think he is a lot more effective at 7.
Being already qualified it might be hard for Limerick to be at full tilt next Sunday I feel Clare will have a lot more scoring power that Tipp did yesterday being short so many great forwards like McGrath Forde Callinan ect although Kiely wont want to lose any games he wont lose too much sleep if he does.
It should be a very colourful occasion next week Clare need something out of the game to be sure of qualification" I think Kyle needs more time in the forwards. It didn't happen for him yesterday but I think Olathe more time there the better. He may play at 7 in case of emergency but I suspect he will wear 11 or 14 for the rest of the season
Clare game will be fascinating even if we bench a few. Hannon and hegarty would be my suspicions. Unlikely cathal o neill would make it in a week with a sirained ankle. We've a top class championship match to find out what level some of numbers 16-20 are at. I've never been at a soft Limerick Clare game. It will be fire and brimstone …just Can't wait to travel. I'd expect Flanagan will start too. I'd love to see boylan get a full game. He's not a superstar but that work rate n size is a weapon. He needs more time to get comfortable at this level. Same for Oisin o Reilly. I'd love to see if he's a viable option.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Having watched Rory O'Connor being manhandled against Galway and Dublin, I am not surprised Gillane not getting any protection. Corner backs seem to have a licence to do what they like. But Gillane did what every top forward does, his damage on the score board." Wexford were never behind the door when it came to "man handling"! You got a penalty that most refs would not have given so you can hardly blame the Tipp lad. Maybe he should have taken it :-)
On another note. Surely Kiely and selectors will give a few newer lads a start against Clare? Hard to see anything other than a Limerick win either way, but they surely can begin to look a bit further down the line. Three games away from a three-in-a-row. Munster final possibly the biggest of all. Won't be stopped I think.
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Replying To daveboy: "Looking forward to Ennis on Sunday. Its a nice position to be in already qualified like it was in 2018 when clare beat limerick comfortably enough. On Kyle Hayes I just wonder will limerick get the best out of him up top where teams can double him up, drop a sweeper and restrict possessions. In the HB line he'll get on a world of ball. He looked a bit lost out there when tipp crowded out the ball in. That said in space he's a nightmare to stop close to goal. I'd consider it a nice headache to have. I think people's opinion on a lack of depth in the limerick squad has been shown to be poor. Boylan and Reidy turned the tide yesterday or at least helped it on its way. Lynch, Flanagan, Casey, Murphy all nearing returns looking for starting jerseys alongside Reidy, Pat Ryan, Boylan, Richie English.
For next week limerick will make certain changes but I'd expect a strong enough line up. Kiely will want the energy and intensity ramped up too regardless who takes the field. It'll be tasty to say the least. Kiely will find out a bit more what some fringe players are made of perfect opportunity in Ennis. He'll also want to get another match into Tom Morrissey, Flanagan will start and if he is to persist with Hayes at 14 he'll start there too with Gillane possibly given a place on the bench." I could be wrong but I dont think the Hayes change is working or going to work. I cant see how he fits in with playing with Gillane. I dont think Dan M is probably the number 7 he was either and hes a man mountain at 3. Limerick dont give up those chances yesterday if hes at 3. I feel for the All Ireland series I could name at least 14 if not 15 of the team right now.
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Brian Gavin's take - definitely a red card.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40868063.html
Although this is the same ref who in 2013 All Ireland final gave Darach Honan a yellow after Shane O Neill tried to decapitate him off the ball so I would take what he says with a pinch of salt,
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 09/05/2022 12:17:23
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