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All points that are hard to argue with. I think like any team thats going for 3 in a row there is a huge temptation each year to mix things up. It doesn't allow teams to plan 6 months to negate what was successful the year before. You want tweaks rather than massive changes. Kyle is a phenomenal hurler and could play anywhere. Kiely will look at Mike casey and be very happy. He did fumble one or two but he hoovered up so much and is strong as an ox.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 09/05/2022 12:25:59 2415898 Link 0 |
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I think the live analysis from Anthony Daly and the Sunday game analysis with Fitz and Tyrell was pretty conclusive. I stopped reading what Gavin was writing a long time ago.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 09/05/2022 12:38:23 2415903 Link 2 |
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As regards hitting the ball back up the field limerick, and Gillane in particular, do it quite often. In 2020 in a league game in Cork Gullane was held up on the 21 yard line, at one side of the field. He turned around and drilled the ball straight across the field towards the 70 yard line and picked out Pat O'Loughlin with a pin point pass. The all alone Killmallock man drilled the Sliothar straight over the black spot and all Corks heroic defending was in vain
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4465 - 09/05/2022 12:46:05 2415909 Link 0 |
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This is the last thing I'll say on the matter as some people arent going to agree anyway. You can't compare a strike from the hand to what happened yesterday. He seen Maher coming. Its very clear he looked at the man and then took a step before swinging. In an honest attempt to get to the ball in that situation you go in with a flick as Maher is rising the ball in order to prevent Maher getting the ball to hand. If Gillanes pull was in the direction of the sideline or towards the Tipp goal then an argument would be easier found for him. For me its very clear - he was frustrated due to the previous incident and he lost the head for a split second. Its very clear for me. Anyway, thats the last I'll say on it. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/05/2022 13:35:09 2415937 Link 2 |
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As I said I have always been a big admirer of Casey but for me its going to be head to head now with him and Dan M and I'd have to pick Dan M if I was Kiely. The move of Hayes to 7 and Dan to 3 is a lot more daunting to the likes of a Waterford in my opinion. Kiely has rightly experimented as you say but I'd ne surprised if the doesnt revert to the tried and trusted in the next month or so. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/05/2022 13:38:40 2415939 Link 0 |
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Its mathematically still possible that Limerick somehow miss out on a Munster final place. Likewise it is still possible Tipp get out of Munster. No one in their wildest dreams could think either would happen though. I found it very strange though that people, including Gillane (I think it was him) and Dowling saying that Tipp could be dangerous given they had nothing left to play for. They can technically get out of the group on 2 points so why couldnt they with 4 points?! Am I completely missing something here or are our pundits that poorly informed? tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/05/2022 13:45:43 2415942 Link 0 |
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I think the narrative that Dowling brought during the week and on the programme yesterday was poor. He kept referring to 09 and the mauling Tipp gave limerick that day as if the same was coming. Most hurling folk knew yesterday was never going to materialise in that way. Tipp can still get out albeit v unlikely and you're correct limerick aren't guaranteed a munster final yet but it looks likely they will. I know you'd like to park the gillane one but a one word answer to this will do. Did you watch the Sunday game last night? Genuine question.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 09/05/2022 13:51:32 2415945 Link 0 |
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While it is highly unlikely, Tipp can still qualify for the latter stages of the championship. Having lost 3 games already, doesn't this highlight a major flaw in the current championship structure? football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 09/05/2022 14:15:16 2415953 Link 0 |
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No, if they qualify on 2 points in third they obviously more points, or a better scoring difference or better head to head than their nearest rival
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 09/05/2022 14:20:57 2415956 Link 0 |
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Dalo is a big Limerick fanboy though. I was at the match so didn't hear his commentary but he never says a bad word about Limerick! I suppose he has done well out of them as well..... StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1784 - 09/05/2022 14:40:11 2415971 Link 2 |
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I did watch it and recorded the incident on my phone while watching it so I could watch it back as I wondered did Imiss something. I make my own mind up with all incidents. I dont agree with the pundits at all on this one. I was a huge fan of Dowling as a hurler but he really irks be as a pundit. Not as much as Derek McGrath but not far off. Its nothing to do where hes from, as I've said here before I find Cummins and Sheedy hard to listen to as well. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/05/2022 15:21:23 2416002 Link 1 |
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Possibly yes but you could argue that about a lot of permuations. Could a team in Munster go unbeaten and (all draws) and not get through for example. Could Limerick beat Waterford twice and not win the All Ireland? I think even from a neutral perspective it would be great viewing if all teams in Munster had some chance of getting out going in to the last game? I've always been a big fan of the knockout format but my mind is changing - despite Tipps woes! The hurling thread on HS is one of the most active these days which is great. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/05/2022 15:26:11 2416004 Link 0 |
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The current system is surely the best they've come up with so far? A straight knock out would most likely lead to same outcome and maybe Limerick being so ahead of the pack is distorting Munster round robin (as Dublin are in Leinster :-) but it is better than any alternatives involving back doors. Worst of all was the dreadful losers groups they had in the early 2000s. For poor teams like ourselves it just meant getting three more hidings than the normal quota! Didn't make any difference to the better ones. just postponed the inevitable. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3099 - 09/05/2022 15:50:27 2416018 Link 0 |
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The Gillane incident could be seen both ways and anyone saying Aaron looking at Maher proves his guilt or swinging back towards his own goals proves nothing. You have to look at the person you're engaged with to pick up on what they are doing while there are as many balls passed backwards now as go forward. At the end of the day it's a fast game and the ref in general gave Tipp more than he gave Limerick up until that incident. A Tipp player picked a ball off the ground and they scored from it while Heffernan threw a hand pass with his back to the ref and Tipp also scored off that so these things even themselves out. If a ref ever decides to pull Barrett for his fouling he'll be pulled for 10 frees in a game. As for pundits their out to make a few euros and say something different, it's all a money racket but I do like Cummins and find he knows the game and doesn't have an agenda. updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 845 - 09/05/2022 15:51:55 2416022 Link 1 |
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Daly's "analysis" on TV yesterday was the most one-sided I have heard in a long time. He questioned several decisions that went Tipp's way but was in no doubt about anything Limerick got. He also suggested that a few Tipp lads should have got yellow cards. Apart from his (brief) involvement with Limerick's academy, which he loves to remind us about every so often, he has never been a lover of Tipperary. The same could be said about Tyrrell and Davy Fitz, and to suggest that the issue is conclusive because these three happened to agree is not logical. Contributions on social media over the last 24 hours almost all suggest it should have been a red card, but I wouldn't claim that's conclusive either.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 581 - 09/05/2022 15:52:01 2416023 Link 3 |
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Bottom line is the ref and linesman saw it and didn't deem it a red. So that's the end of it really.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13777 - 09/05/2022 16:41:45 2416040 Link 0 |
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I find it hard to agree with anyone who'd rather take the views of social media over seasoned analysts who are ex players/managers and are scrutinised on their objectivity as part of their current roles. I haven't watched the match back just saw his take on the tackle. From my view in the open stand Daly might not be far off in those views. Either way we'll all have a take on it. I personally felt the analysis was good last night and reasoned. Whether its how you or others see it is a debate and everyone is entitled. daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 09/05/2022 16:53:27 2416042 Link 0 |
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Dublin hurlers are doing alright this year Barney. They can qualify from Leinster this year.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 09/05/2022 17:48:08 2416054 Link 0 |
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Excellent post 100% agree daly was very one sided I thought. And I do agree it has to be a red all day long. They say there was no intent but what what's he intending to do? You simply can't pull when a man is down rising the ball it's that simple! You still have a duty of care of other players! Now he was probably getting jabs all day long but he has to keep his cool he is a great forward but no good to Limerick on the line and its a mini miracle he did not see red in the last two years he is very lucky.
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 09/05/2022 18:37:57 2416056 Link 0 |
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Great price for Clare v limrik 3/1... lump the house on the Banner!! Cork 13/5 v a Waterford side that haven't been playing as good as they did in the League.......mmmm I'll chew over that particular game for the week and decide later! Galway, Wexford and Kilkenny are certs to win. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2473 - 09/05/2022 19:27:50 2416062 Link 0 |