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Once again you are falling into the same trap with your tips/predictions. You tip Cork to beat Clare convincingly based on league form again. What have I told you about league form? It has already been proven to be the wrong measurement. Cork can of course win but there is no logical basis to say they will win handy. If you go back to the least real meaningful game between Cork and Clare, Cork won by a score in a game that Tony Kelly could/should have scored the winner at the death. There was nothing between the teams last year. This year we are down starter-wise probably Aidan McCarthy and Mark Rogers but we have Ian Galvin in instead of Rogers who is a super corner forward and David Fitzgerald instead of Aidan who is a completely different player but the drop in quality from is not significant if anything from Aidan and Mark to Ian and David. Coupled with this we have Shane O Donnell and Peter Duggan back and firing and Shane Meehan on the bench. Those first two on top of the game (which they appear to be) are a serious weapon to any team and change the dynamic for us. My concern was would Peter in particular but up to speed but the first half against Tipp proved how good he is. Tipp could not handle him. So after the first game I think Clare are stronger than last year and appear to be fired up for the championship. With Cork losing home advantage there is no logic behind tipping Cork to beat Clare with a bit to spare. Perhaps you dislike Clare, but your logic for tipping is flawed. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 28/04/2022 10:21:02 2413787 Link 0 |
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More relevant to your game against them this year is your records since 2009. They have won 1 LSHC out of 5 finals and you have won 3 titles from 8 final appearances. So you have done better than them. But then for alot of that period you, along with KK and Tipp, were the best teams in the country. More recently, since 2018, your record against them has been not good. They've won both times you played them in the Championship. If Whelan is back fully fit I'd have you slight favourites as its in Salthill. If Whelan isn't fully fit and Daire Gray and O Sullivan are back for the Dubs and they don't have any more injuries I'd probably have them slight favourites. There's a neutral view for you Baire.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13759 - 28/04/2022 10:23:46 2413789 Link 0 |
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More relevant to your game against them this year is your records since 2009. They have won 1 LSHC out of 5 finals and you have won 3 titles from 8 final appearances. So you have done better than them. But then for alot of that period you, along with KK and Tipp, were the best teams in the country. More recently, since 2018, your record against them has been not good. They've won both times you played them in the Championship. If Whelan is back fully fit I'd have you slight favourites as its in Salthill. If Whelan isn't fully fit and Daire Gray and O Sullivan are back for the Dubs and they don't have any more injuries I'd probably have them slight favourites. There's a neutral view for you Baire.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13759 - 28/04/2022 10:24:28 2413790 Link 0 |
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LSHC thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 28/04/2022 10:29:43 2413796 Link 0 |
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Only 1 Dublin born hurler has a Liam Mccarthy medal
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3126 - 28/04/2022 10:48:03 2413804 Link 1 |
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What's his name?
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2094 - 28/04/2022 11:10:24 2413812 Link 0 |
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Jim Byrne won his medal in 1938. See the link below: link Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2652 - 28/04/2022 11:47:24 2413818 Link 0 |
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Jim Byrne 1938. I think he played in the goal Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3126 - 28/04/2022 11:48:03 2413819 Link 0 |
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The Lonely Jackeen!
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 28/04/2022 11:48:15 2413820 Link 0 |
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Don't want to give the wrong impression here. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3126 - 28/04/2022 11:56:03 2413823 Link 1 |
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hy i it o hard to add a link on here? I'll try again. [url=]https://www.hoganstand.com/article/index/198363 Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2652 - 28/04/2022 12:10:43 2413826 Link 0 |
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God we were well behind everyone else bar Offaly all over the county from under 7s upwards towards the end of the noughties!!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13759 - 28/04/2022 12:13:36 2413828 Link 0 |
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In my view, if Galway hadn't been invited into Leinster by the GAA president (a KK man) KK definitely would have won more Leinsters and Als and the competition in Leinster would be in a poorer state than it is now. I live in Dublin and I know the hurling scene reasonably well. I have coached underage teams here and I was glad to see the development of hurling in the capital. However, I don't take kindly to a Dublin poster bad mouthing Galway on this forum. I know the amount of Galway hurling fanatics who have helped to advance hurling in Dublin, not forgetting their present manager, a true hurling man.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 28/04/2022 12:13:56 2413829 Link 0 |
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Playing against Dublin is like a predominantly hurling Club Playing hurling against a predominantly football Club in Galway......."your told going out these lads will be pure awkward and they will run like gesiels but be careful they don't injure you and we should beat them"!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2471 - 28/04/2022 12:14:56 2413831 Link 0 |
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Jim Byrne, correct! That's not quite accurate, though! Tommy Carr, for one, born in Dublin on July 30, 1965 has two Al medals, even captaining his county to one of those wins. I'm sure that he's not the only one. Dublin is a big ould place, compared to anywhere else in Ireland (tiny compared to certain places over here, Japan right now, not USA, even places at home seem small here), so the chances that a player was born there and then moved to another county and won an AI for that county are quite high, I'd say, and not just vice-versa! If the accusation can cut one way, then surely it can cut the other. I, for example, would never dream of questioning Nick O'Donnell's AI medals, or of casting any dispersion on them, even though he was born and bred Kilkenny, and technically (if we apply your reasoning, Doyler) wasn't a Wexford man at all. (And didn't Quaid on that fine 1960 team, happen to be an outsider as well? Were they the only two you had that year?). But by applying my reasoning, Nick O'Donnell is as true a Wexford man as any; up there with those great men of '98. All those men who won AI medals for Dublin (and even more so in football until the recent age) are Dubliners, from my perspective. Winners don't question where nor how the titles come! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2094 - 28/04/2022 12:24:59 2413833 Link 0 |
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I don't agree with you. There are some fine skilful hurlers on the present Dublin team. Your generalisations are tedious.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 28/04/2022 12:26:26 2413835 Link 1 |
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Actually if you re-read my post I'm basically saying against the logic of what I've seen this year I'm going for Cork. Logic says Clare will win. However, my prediction is based on two things - firstly Tipp need Cork to win and I actually have no dislike for Clare more than the majority of counties and I was hopeing they'd win in 2013 for example. The second is that Cork were hammered by a really top class Limerick team that I think from this point on will hammer everyone with the excpetion of Waterford who they will probably still beat convincingly. A big factor in the result will be Corks tactics and if Kingston finally decides to move Joyce to centre back. Horgan has got a load of abuse here for his dip in form - but DJ, Eoin Kelly, Christy Ring etc couldnt do much with no ball going in either. Horgan will do damage if the ball is let in. I dont buy that the forwards arent moving - its a clear tactic that theyre told to play through the lines slowly so thats why the forwards dont move. If the ball is let into a full forward line quickly with the likes of Horgan, Kingston and O'Connor or even Cadogan then I'd expect Cork to win. Cork simply have to change tactics whether they do or not though is anyones guess. Clare hammered Tipp out the gate without playing near their best in my opinion. I thought in the second half they were actually fairly average. Thats not a dig - I'm just saying it as I see it. If I'm proven wrong I'll hold my hands up but I'm not basing anything on league form as Cork didnt impress me in any game in the league. I just feel Cork have the forwards to let loose on most teams - however as we seen in the U20 last night, Cork forwards stand up with hands on hips when they dont win the ball first time and thats not going to work against Conlon, McInerney and co. Cork scored 20 times against probably the best defensive unit of all time and played very poorly in doing so while Clare scored 24 times against a defence that was in complete disarray with 3 backs who had 3 cship appearances in defence beteen them. Maybe talking out of both sides of my mouth but thats how I'm justifying it. This game could go any way though. If Clare win all of a sudden they have a great chance of a place in the Munster final. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/04/2022 12:29:46 2413836 Link 0 |
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Ya you're 100% spot on and it has been my thoughts for the last couple of years. For me Kehoe has shown enough to get a proper run long before now. I do think this year under new management that Kehoe would still have got his chance but with the others out it has probablty benefited him in some ways. Tipp have been crying out for a left corner back for years and Morgan was the obvious and only man for that role. Whether he was physically ready, I dont know but at the very least he should have played all last year. In my biased opinion, I cant rememeber a more stand out underage player playing at corner back and being so prominent. Cahill seems to have lost interest which is a shame and I'm not sure you can dispapear for a few years at that age and come back in then - he like a few others could be lost to intercounty. Ger Browne has come back this year and I had high hopes for him but physically hes not ready for the likes of Limerick and Waterford, by a long shot. Cadell is extremely highly thought of for many years within Tipperary. Despite not having played to date in th s cship this year, I wouldnt be surprised to see him at 6 against Limerick. He has been around the panel a long time now so needs to break in at this stage. It might surprise you but in some ways there needs to be some optimsm now. Its the older guys and not the new players that are out of form. It seems John McGrath is gone for the year and it seems unlikely at this stage whether he will ever be the intercounty forward he was - same as Bubbles, Seamie and Bonner. We have decent minor and U20 teams this year so all is not lost for the years ahead but I dont think anyone can deny that Tipp are massively in transition. I was just hoping we could get out of Munster this year to get experience into these guys. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/04/2022 12:43:41 2413840 Link 0 |
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Is Colm Bonnar the Manager to bring these young players forward.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2300 - 28/04/2022 13:12:33 2413851 Link 0 |
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Think he was replying to Katser Baire. Do you spot a pattern yet?!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13759 - 28/04/2022 13:27:56 2413859 Link 0 |