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Replying To CTGAA10: "Dingo,only player from those 2 teams who got an extended run was Morris..others were given 10 ,15 minutes here and there..there are 3 hogan keepers available but I reckon the the better fella isn't in goals,even though Brian hogan played well yesterday..Morgan has been very good but probably wouldn't have got a chance only that so many were gone from panel..Browne has been excellent,I know there was a transfer problem with clubs..paddy cadell and Jerome Cahill were leaders never got an extended run either..Ormand and Seymour were dangerous ..o Dwyer at corner back was another who didn't get any time..I know o Mara was going traveling..devanney also looked very good when I saw him..John kiely picked Kyle Hayes straight out of minor from a team who lost to tipp,he gave him the chance and look where he is now..I think it'll take tipp a few years now to get back up and be strong again..I think if some of those players had been given the chance,they'd now have place nailed down and be established.," Hayes was an exceptional talent underage. Look I'm not saying Sheedy couldn't have done some more but at same time you can't pick lads that are not putting up there hands dingo (Limerick) - Posts: 23 - 25/04/2022 19:35:52 2413217 Link
Replying To updwell: "All down to Cahill and Bevans in my opinion. Some Waterford players at the moment playing out of their skin that looked out of their depth at intercounty 3 years ago." Desperate *** out of Derek McGrath. His shortcomings as an über-defensive manager/coach have been cruelly brought into focus by the excellence of the Bevans/Cahill ticket. McGrath can be overly emotional and consequently pretty weak as an analyst although he was fine on 'The Sunday Game' eight days ago. At least he was fine until he claimed there was no throwing of the sliotar in the lead-up to Mikey Kiely's goal. I couldn't listen to him after that. I know many people in Waterford who are embarrassed by his meanderings and the bigging up of the current Deise squad as the Second Coming. He needs to let go his emotional attachment to the players he once managed and become an objective analyst. At least then, he wouldn't utter the kind of drivel he's been sprouting about Waterford being the only other team in the championship bar the team they are predicted to beat on July 24th, Limerick. I wouldn't mind Limerick losing on July 24th, as McGrath predicted. The All-Ireland hurling final, after all, is on July 17th! GerO.Racle (Limerick)** - Posts: 47 - 25/04/2022 19:43:46 2413218 Link
The weekly championship prediction (very accurate so far) from the USA, via Tokyo for the present. I've changed my mind somewhat from what I posted over a month ago, given recent performances. I now see Laois beating Wexford in Portlaoise, and Galway taking Kilkenny in Pearse Stadium; think Shefflin's knowledge of Kilkenny can get Galway to out gun the cats (similar to how Mattie Kenny operates when the Dubs play Galway). Alas, there's only one game in Munster, but what an important one it is. CORK 2-23 VS. CLARE 5-16… CLARE WIN LAOIS 3-17 VS. WEXFORD 2-17…LAOIS WIN GALWAY 2-20 VS. KILKENNY 1-19…GALWAY WIN WESTMEATH 0-20 DUBLIN 2-29…DUBLIN WIN Throw up your predictions, y'all, and enjoy! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2093 - 26/04/2022 11:12:47 2413279 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "Johnny. The only reason we have an atrocious record in Ennis is that we are the only county that has gone there regularly. Tipp played there in '85 and lost. The sides drew in Thurles the following year. Clare offered to enter a new Home/Away arrangement but Tipp refused. The pitches in Cork and Limerick were unavailable, so the game had to go on in Killarney. So supporters from place like Lorha, Moneygall and Killenaule etc had to travel a much longer distance than if the match was played in Ennis, but Tipp put the interests of their team first. Cork have never had a Home/Away arrangement with Clare and I know for a fact Galway do not fancy playing Clare there. What the ** was our county boards doing dragging our team out to that graveyard, when no other Board were forcing their team to do it." According to Henry Martin's book the thinking behind Limerick going to Ennis in the past was because the Limerick county board were trying to get more championship games played in the Gaelic Grounds. Hence the idea of entering home and away agreements. Conversely, Clare have never beaten Limerick in the Gaelic Grounds in championship. Clare even declined to play the 1995 Munster final there. According to the book the 1993 Limerick v Clare game was set for Thurles but Mike Fitzgerald decided with his Clare counterpart to toss a coin for home venue - against the wishes of the Limerick management. Limerick lost the toss but the flipside was that Clare came to the Gaelic Grounds in 1996. johnocarroll17 (Limerick)** - Posts: 408 - 26/04/2022 11:47:25 2413289 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "Johnny. The only reason we have an atrocious record in Ennis is that we are the only county that has gone there regularly. Tipp played there in '85 and lost. The sides drew in Thurles the following year. Clare offered to enter a new Home/Away arrangement but Tipp refused. The pitches in Cork and Limerick were unavailable, so the game had to go on in Killarney. So supporters from place like Lorha, Moneygall and Killenaule etc had to travel a much longer distance than if the match was played in Ennis, but Tipp put the interests of their team first. Cork have never had a Home/Away arrangement with Clare and I know for a fact Galway do not fancy playing Clare there. What the ** was our county boards doing dragging our team out to that graveyard, when no other Board were forcing their team to do it." Here's a question you may be able to answer as you have been around much longer than I - the 1964 championship game between Limerick and Clare was played in Nenagh. I have often wondered why this game was in Nenagh which is off the beaten track vis a vis an inter county championship venue. johnocarroll17 (Limerick)** - Posts: 408 - 26/04/2022 11:53:41 2413291 Link
Replying To foreveryoung: "The weekly championship prediction (very accurate so far) from the USA, via Tokyo for the present. I've changed my mind somewhat from what I posted over a month ago, given recent performances. I now see Laois beating Wexford in Portlaoise, and Galway taking Kilkenny in Pearse Stadium; think Shefflin's knowledge of Kilkenny can get Galway to out gun the cats (similar to how Mattie Kenny operates when the Dubs play Galway). Alas, there's only one game in Munster, but what an important one it is. CORK 2-23 VS. CLARE 5-16… CLARE WIN LAOIS 3-17 VS. WEXFORD 2-17…LAOIS WIN GALWAY 2-20 VS. KILKENNY 1-19…GALWAY WIN WESTMEATH 0-20 DUBLIN 2-29…DUBLIN WIN Throw up your predictions, y'all, and enjoy!" How have your predictions been accurate so far? I don't know about your predictions for Munster counties but you haven't predicted 1 Wexford result right yet. The only predictions you have got right in Leinster were the obvious ones. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 26/04/2022 12:41:05 2413310 Link
Replying To Viking66: "How have your predictions been accurate so far? I don't know about your predictions for Munster counties but you haven't predicted 1 Wexford result right yet. The only predictions you have got right in Leinster were the obvious ones." I'm sorry Viking if I got the Wexford forecasts wrong. I did predict Wexford to win by 2 points against Dublin: a puck of the ball. Dublin won by a point: a puck of the ball. I predicted Galway to win by 2 points, but it was a draw; another puck of the ball. But, I do think I got that one badly wrong; Galway could have won that game by 15 points on the day. Wexford was woeful. So, I have been fairly accurate to date; a puck of the ball here or there. I've been less accurate about Munster, but that's Munster hurling for ya! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2093 - 26/04/2022 14:12:36 2413344 Link
Replying To foreveryoung: "I'm sorry Viking if I got the Wexford forecasts wrong. I did predict Wexford to win by 2 points against Dublin: a puck of the ball. Dublin won by a point: a puck of the ball. I predicted Galway to win by 2 points, but it was a draw; another puck of the ball. But, I do think I got that one badly wrong; Galway could have won that game by 15 points on the day. Wexford was woeful. So, I have been fairly accurate to date; a puck of the ball here or there. I've been less accurate about Munster, but that's Munster hurling for ya!" Less accurate about Munster?!!! So the only results you have predicted right have been Kilkenny against Laois and Westmeath, Galway against Westmeath and Dublin against Laois? You hardly need to be psychic to predict the results of those games: D Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 26/04/2022 18:43:22 2413436 Link
Fairly straightforward games this Weekend..... Cork v Clare...................Clare Galway v Kilkenny........Galway Laois v Wexford...........Wexford Westmeath v Dublin.....Dublin katser (Galway) - Posts: 2471 - 26/04/2022 20:52:47 2413461 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Most of the Waterford lads you are talking about played in one of the best, if not the best, u21 AI winning team this millennium though. Yes Cahill and Bevans are proven good coaches at this stage but you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. That Tipp u20 team in 2019 were awesome." I reckon the Limerick team of 15 and 17 (a lot of the same players) would have something to say about that. They should really have done 3 in a row but got caught on the hop against TIpp in 16. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 27/04/2022 08:07:39 2413477 Link
Replying To Richardkimble: "Surely it's time for cheedar Plunkett to step down as Laois manager now. The game in nowlan Park was a farce it was over after 15 minutes. Kilkenny didn't have to get out of first gear winning by 24 points at their ease. This claptrap about a heroic performance against Dublin was absolute nonsense. Dublin's woeful shooting kept us in the game nothing else. It's a sad day when we got rid of Eddie Brennan who walked because of lack of support. We have absolutely no ambition to improve and its highly possible we will lose out to Westmeath in the relegation tussle. Both Galway and wexford will hurl the *** out of us. Laois hurling is still stuck in the dark ages." I understand your frustration but am less confident than you are. Wexford supporters are not taking this fixture lightly at all. We're not playing well. Doylerwex (Wexford)** - Posts: 3125 - 27/04/2022 08:22:30 2413480 Link
Replying To blackspot91: "I reckon the Limerick team of 15 and 17 (a lot of the same players) would have something to say about that. They should really have done 3 in a row but got caught on the hop against TIpp in 16." For sure they were a good team. Waterford won it pulling up that year though. Not sure if you would've beaten them but we will never know. Definitely over the 3 years you had more great hurlers at that grade. This is a large part of why you have 3 Senior all Irelands and Waterford haven't. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 27/04/2022 09:21:54 2413489 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Less accurate about Munster?!!! So the only results you have predicted right have been Kilkenny against Laois and Westmeath, Galway against Westmeath and Dublin against Laois? You hardly need to be psychic to predict the results of those games: D" Jack Nicklaus didn't think he ever missed an important putt on the 18th green - which was incorrect. Sometimes the great build their own reality Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1465 - 27/04/2022 09:32:16 2413495 Link
Finally have come around to posting after the weekend. Bitterly disappointing performance but I guess you'll get that with a team in transition. I seen some posts saying our younger players have been proven not good enough which i think it both inaccurate and unfair and in some cases its people just getting a dig in at Tipp. Our best player over the two games has been Craig Morgan and the likes of Quirke and Kehoe have also done pretty well and Ger Browne scored 1-3 from the bench. Our issues have been the form of the 4 men who many thought would be driving things on at this stage. Maher, McCormack, Forde and John McGrath's form have all dipped this year (McGrath over a few years now). I think we have had a problem at full back now for years but we also seem to have a major problem at 6 which is a huge surprise. We will probably see Ronan going back to 3 the next day but its anyones guess who will fill in at 6. People here have said a lot of the young guys arent intercounty standard but I disagree. Morgan has possibly been the best left corner back in the cship so far and both Kehoe and Bowe look like top class hurlers as does Bryan O'Mara. All is not lost for the years ahead. Having said that Limerick will be all out to put the final nail in the coffin the next day but I think we will turn up but I'm not going to suggest we have a chance of getting within 6 points of them. If Clare beat Cork this weekend then Tipp are pretty much out of the Cship but I do fancyCork to win that one. That possibly leaves the crucual game as Clare-Limerick as its a dead rubber for Limerick at that point. If Cork beat Clare and Tipp can overcome Cork then it may just come down to score difference which I cant see working in Tipps favour. I'm massively grasping at straws but 3 teams finishing on one win each at this stage isnt the craziest suggestion either in my opinion. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 27/04/2022 09:57:02 2413507 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "I understand your frustration but am less confident than you are. Wexford supporters are not taking this fixture lightly at all. We're not playing well." I'm giving Laois a great chance too, especially if the day stays fine, as predicted, and conditions are conducive to 'top of the ground hurling' as the Corkman would say. If there's a downpour, and conditions make for muddy-mullocking, then that'd suit Wexford down to a tee, or a Dee even! Just hope it's an overall good game anyway, with just a puck of a ball between the sides at the end. Isn't that all that anyone can ask of a game? foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2093 - 27/04/2022 10:13:29 2413518 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Most of the Waterford lads you are talking about played in one of the best, if not the best, u21 AI winning team this millennium though. Yes Cahill and Bevans are proven good coaches at this stage but you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. That Tipp u20 team in 2019 were awesome." the 2015 and 17 limerick under21 teams have up on 50 all ireland senior medals between them. munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1130 - 27/04/2022 10:43:13 2413535 Link
Not going to guess the scores but for weekend: Wexford, Dublin, Cats and Clare all to win. Just to be clear, is it definitely points difference to decide tied points as opposed to head-to-head? Think that was the call when they all finished on same points in 2019 in Leinster. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3090 - 27/04/2022 11:05:04 2413543 Link
Replying To foreveryoung: "I'm sorry Viking if I got the Wexford forecasts wrong. I did predict Wexford to win by 2 points against Dublin: a puck of the ball. Dublin won by a point: a puck of the ball. I predicted Galway to win by 2 points, but it was a draw; another puck of the ball. But, I do think I got that one badly wrong; Galway could have won that game by 15 points on the day. Wexford was woeful. So, I have been fairly accurate to date; a puck of the ball here or there. I've been less accurate about Munster, but that's Munster hurling for ya!" 2 points is not a puck of a ball. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1784 - 27/04/2022 11:32:16 2413550 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Not going to guess the scores but for weekend: Wexford, Dublin, Cats and Clare all to win. Just to be clear, is it definitely points difference to decide tied points as opposed to head-to-head? Think that was the call when they all finished on same points in 2019 in Leinster." Head to head if 2 teams. Points difference if more or if head to head is a draw Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 27/04/2022 11:43:26 2413553 Link
Replying To foreveryoung: "I'm giving Laois a great chance too, especially if the day stays fine, as predicted, and conditions are conducive to 'top of the ground hurling' as the Corkman would say. If there's a downpour, and conditions make for muddy-mullocking, then that'd suit Wexford down to a tee, or a Dee even! Just hope it's an overall good game anyway, with just a puck of a ball between the sides at the end. Isn't that all that anyone can ask of a game?" Bizarre that a lad like you who knows so little about hurling posts on a hurling thread but I guess it takes all sorts! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 27/04/2022 11:46:02 2413555 Link