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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Well said Lohan. Many people on here have already decided that Limerick will play Waterford 3 times this year." I am sick to death of hearing pundits say over and over again that Waterford and Limerick are likely to meet 3 times this year. They must have said it 4-5 times on Saturday.
To be honest that sort of talk would drive me even more demented if I was a Waterford fan. Waterford dont have the pedigree or historical success to back up talk like that. Lads like Derek mcGrath do Waterford no favours IMO putting the favorites tag on them week in week out. No one gave Clare a chance this year and yet we beat Waterford last year in the championship but I am hearing the likes of McGrath claim Waterford are favorites for the All Ireland. How can a team like Clare be totally written off and Waterford be heralded as the second coming when we beat them last year.
Once again it comes down to lads putting too much emphasis on the league. Now Waterford could well beat Clare this year in the championship but the gaps between the teams below Limerick are minute. There is nothing between the second tier as I a call it which includes Galway, Clare, Waterford, Cork, and KK. Any of teams could beat the other. Not trying to be disrespectful but I would put Wexford, Dublin and Tipp a level below these teams and would expect them to lose to the second tier but there is nothing between the second tier teams.
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Look what McGrath wrote in the examiner before the Limerick Waterford game:
The trilogy begins?
Limerick's mood and intent was obvious on Sunday, a team highly motivated where metrics and passion were perfectly fused. The immediate focus post-match was on a performance for the "people of the Gaelic Grounds". Equally as impressive was the mental strength and resolve shown by Waterford to push back a ravenous Tipperary, cope with expectancy, defy the initial sense they were underperforming, and to begin to flow coming down the stretch.
I firmly believe that tomorrow evening will be the first of three meetings between these two teams. Waterford's need to lay down a championship marker against Limerick echoes Aragorn's famous speech at the Black Gate in Tolkien's trilogy. "This day we fight," he declared. Waterford can fight their way to a precious two points.
This crystal ball could see Limerick attain a level of revenge in the Munster Final before the trilogy is completed with victory for ourselves on the 24th of July. Then Tolkien's words will be even more telling: "The crownless again shall be King"
Its laughable stuff really, he is already talking about Waterford winning the AI. Like that sort of nonsense is not helping their cause at all. Waterford would be best served flying under the radar as much as possible. Teams like Waterford with no AI for decades do not handle favoritism well. He is also being disrespectful to other top levels teams as he is essentially writing them off and putting a target on Waterfords back.
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Look what McGrath wrote in the examiner before the Limerick Waterford game:
The trilogy begins?
Limerick's mood and intent was obvious on Sunday, a team highly motivated where metrics and passion were perfectly fused. The immediate focus post-match was on a performance for the "people of the Gaelic Grounds". Equally as impressive was the mental strength and resolve shown by Waterford to push back a ravenous Tipperary, cope with expectancy, defy the initial sense they were underperforming, and to begin to flow coming down the stretch.
I firmly believe that tomorrow evening will be the first of three meetings between these two teams. Waterford's need to lay down a championship marker against Limerick echoes Aragorn's famous speech at the Black Gate in Tolkien's trilogy. "This day we fight," he declared. Waterford can fight their way to a precious two points.
This crystal ball could see Limerick attain a level of revenge in the Munster Final before the trilogy is completed with victory for ourselves on the 24th of July. Then Tolkien's words will be even more telling: "The crownless again shall be King"
Its laughable stuff really, he is already talking about Waterford winning the AI. Like that sort of nonsense is not helping their cause at all. Waterford would be best served flying under the radar as much as possible. Teams like Waterford with no AI for decades do not handle favoritism well. He is also being disrespectful to other top levels teams as he is essentially writing them off and putting a target on Waterfords back." Ya 100% agree. He's a woeful analyst.
On a more positive note, delighted Clare won yesterday. This nonsense about them being the weakest team in Munster firmly put to bed. They'll put manners on plenty of teams yet this year.
Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 25/04/2022 09:55:36
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Look what McGrath wrote in the examiner before the Limerick Waterford game:
The trilogy begins?
Limerick's mood and intent was obvious on Sunday, a team highly motivated where metrics and passion were perfectly fused. The immediate focus post-match was on a performance for the "people of the Gaelic Grounds". Equally as impressive was the mental strength and resolve shown by Waterford to push back a ravenous Tipperary, cope with expectancy, defy the initial sense they were underperforming, and to begin to flow coming down the stretch.
I firmly believe that tomorrow evening will be the first of three meetings between these two teams. Waterford's need to lay down a championship marker against Limerick echoes Aragorn's famous speech at the Black Gate in Tolkien's trilogy. "This day we fight," he declared. Waterford can fight their way to a precious two points.
This crystal ball could see Limerick attain a level of revenge in the Munster Final before the trilogy is completed with victory for ourselves on the 24th of July. Then Tolkien's words will be even more telling: "The crownless again shall be King"
Its laughable stuff really, he is already talking about Waterford winning the AI. Like that sort of nonsense is not helping their cause at all. Waterford would be best served flying under the radar as much as possible. Teams like Waterford with no AI for decades do not handle favoritism well. He is also being disrespectful to other top levels teams as he is essentially writing them off and putting a target on Waterfords back." Derek mcgrath became irrelevant about 2 years ago. I think he backed every team limerick played last year.. He does no favours whatsoever to the Waterford set up. No one wrote clare off that knows what they are talking about. A good few on here had limerick waterford and clare coming out. Clare have a very good squad and have had for a few years now. They were a puck of a ball from getting to AI semi last year where they'd have fancied beating kk. Maybe not limerick in the final but I agree with you they are in that 2nd tier. Clare v cork will be a very interesting stand alone fixture next weekend and clares schedule might help them with limerick 3rd who could already have qualified at that stage and Waterford last match . If clare lose to cork it'll get very tight for all teams.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 25/04/2022 10:05:26
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Look what McGrath wrote in the examiner before the Limerick Waterford game:
The trilogy begins?
Limerick's mood and intent was obvious on Sunday, a team highly motivated where metrics and passion were perfectly fused. The immediate focus post-match was on a performance for the "people of the Gaelic Grounds". Equally as impressive was the mental strength and resolve shown by Waterford to push back a ravenous Tipperary, cope with expectancy, defy the initial sense they were underperforming, and to begin to flow coming down the stretch.
I firmly believe that tomorrow evening will be the first of three meetings between these two teams. Waterford's need to lay down a championship marker against Limerick echoes Aragorn's famous speech at the Black Gate in Tolkien's trilogy. "This day we fight," he declared. Waterford can fight their way to a precious two points.
This crystal ball could see Limerick attain a level of revenge in the Munster Final before the trilogy is completed with victory for ourselves on the 24th of July. Then Tolkien's words will be even more telling: "The crownless again shall be King"
Its laughable stuff really, he is already talking about Waterford winning the AI. Like that sort of nonsense is not helping their cause at all. Waterford would be best served flying under the radar as much as possible. Teams like Waterford with no AI for decades do not handle favoritism well. He is also being disrespectful to other top levels teams as he is essentially writing them off and putting a target on Waterfords back." agree totally he also was on some podcast after the league final and he said fellas were texting him after the league final win saying that waterford are all ireland contenders and he said he text them bk saying waterford are not contenders waterford are the team everyone has to beat they are all ireland favourites....someone would want to sit him down and have a chat with him......he is doing waterford no favours and john mullane isnt far behind him.
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Look what McGrath wrote in the examiner before the Limerick Waterford game:
The trilogy begins?
Limerick's mood and intent was obvious on Sunday, a team highly motivated where metrics and passion were perfectly fused. The immediate focus post-match was on a performance for the "people of the Gaelic Grounds". Equally as impressive was the mental strength and resolve shown by Waterford to push back a ravenous Tipperary, cope with expectancy, defy the initial sense they were underperforming, and to begin to flow coming down the stretch.
I firmly believe that tomorrow evening will be the first of three meetings between these two teams. Waterford's need to lay down a championship marker against Limerick echoes Aragorn's famous speech at the Black Gate in Tolkien's trilogy. "This day we fight," he declared. Waterford can fight their way to a precious two points.
This crystal ball could see Limerick attain a level of revenge in the Munster Final before the trilogy is completed with victory for ourselves on the 24th of July. Then Tolkien's words will be even more telling: "The crownless again shall be King"
Its laughable stuff really, he is already talking about Waterford winning the AI. Like that sort of nonsense is not helping their cause at all. Waterford would be best served flying under the radar as much as possible. Teams like Waterford with no AI for decades do not handle favoritism well. He is also being disrespectful to other top levels teams as he is essentially writing them off and putting a target on Waterfords back." Quoting Tolkien? "...echoes Aragorn's famous speech at the Black Gate...The crownless again shall be King"
It sounds like McGrath is away.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2652 - 25/04/2022 10:09:11
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Look what McGrath wrote in the examiner before the Limerick Waterford game:
The trilogy begins?
Limerick's mood and intent was obvious on Sunday, a team highly motivated where metrics and passion were perfectly fused. The immediate focus post-match was on a performance for the "people of the Gaelic Grounds". Equally as impressive was the mental strength and resolve shown by Waterford to push back a ravenous Tipperary, cope with expectancy, defy the initial sense they were underperforming, and to begin to flow coming down the stretch.
I firmly believe that tomorrow evening will be the first of three meetings between these two teams. Waterford's need to lay down a championship marker against Limerick echoes Aragorn's famous speech at the Black Gate in Tolkien's trilogy. "This day we fight," he declared. Waterford can fight their way to a precious two points.
This crystal ball could see Limerick attain a level of revenge in the Munster Final before the trilogy is completed with victory for ourselves on the 24th of July. Then Tolkien's words will be even more telling: "The crownless again shall be King"
Its laughable stuff really, he is already talking about Waterford winning the AI. Like that sort of nonsense is not helping their cause at all. Waterford would be best served flying under the radar as much as possible. Teams like Waterford with no AI for decades do not handle favoritism well. He is also being disrespectful to other top levels teams as he is essentially writing them off and putting a target on Waterfords back." Agree 100%. The hurling man in me would love to see Waterford win an all Ireland primarily because its been so long for them and also because I know fully what it's like to go years waiting for one.
That's the emotional side of it. It's anxiety provoking and hopeful.
That's what McGrath seems to be operating out of.
By his thinking, Cork should be the second best team in the country because they lost the all Ireland final last year.
The hard facts are, Waterford came to Limerick and met a depleted team.. Threw everything they had at us and still couldn't win..
If Waterford lose another munster match they're on thin ice..
If we win against Tipp, odds are a lot of the Limerick team will be rested for the final match v Clare, which throws lots of possibilities up.
This is all to play for still.
skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1103 - 25/04/2022 10:53:43
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Johnny. The only reason we have an atrocious record in Ennis is that we are the only county that has gone there regularly. Tipp played there in '85 and lost. The sides drew in Thurles the following year. Clare offered to enter a new Home/Away arrangement but Tipp refused. The pitches in Cork and Limerick were unavailable, so the game had to go on in Killarney. So supporters from place like Lorha, Moneygall and Killenaule etc had to travel a much longer distance than if the match was played in Ennis, but Tipp put the interests of their team first. Cork have never had a Home/Away arrangement with Clare and I know for a fact Galway do not fancy playing Clare there. What the **** was our county boards doing dragging our team out to that graveyard, when no other Board were forcing their team to do it." Id say Limerick will be well qualified before game in Ennis despite the injuries, Diarmuid Byrnes now does for Limerick what Sean McMahon used to do for us, frees from long range & pops up with a couple from play as well.
The work rate of Limerick is incredible and both Cork & Waterford now know that its pointless trying to solo through them
only hope IMO is go over the halfback line & force them to turn.
It would be great to have CORK & TIPP out of the championship next week
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 960 - 25/04/2022 11:08:50
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Look what McGrath wrote in the examiner before the Limerick Waterford game:
The trilogy begins?
Limerick's mood and intent was obvious on Sunday, a team highly motivated where metrics and passion were perfectly fused. The immediate focus post-match was on a performance for the "people of the Gaelic Grounds". Equally as impressive was the mental strength and resolve shown by Waterford to push back a ravenous Tipperary, cope with expectancy, defy the initial sense they were underperforming, and to begin to flow coming down the stretch.
I firmly believe that tomorrow evening will be the first of three meetings between these two teams. Waterford's need to lay down a championship marker against Limerick echoes Aragorn's famous speech at the Black Gate in Tolkien's trilogy. "This day we fight," he declared. Waterford can fight their way to a precious two points.
This crystal ball could see Limerick attain a level of revenge in the Munster Final before the trilogy is completed with victory for ourselves on the 24th of July. Then Tolkien's words will be even more telling: "The crownless again shall be King"
Its laughable stuff really, he is already talking about Waterford winning the AI. Like that sort of nonsense is not helping their cause at all. Waterford would be best served flying under the radar as much as possible. Teams like Waterford with no AI for decades do not handle favoritism well. He is also being disrespectful to other top levels teams as he is essentially writing them off and putting a target on Waterfords back." Unbelievable ***** out of Derek
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 25/04/2022 11:30:13
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Dingo,only player from those 2 teams who got an extended run was Morris..others were given 10 ,15 minutes here and there..there are 3 hogan keepers available but I reckon the the better fella isn't in goals,even though Brian hogan played well yesterday..Morgan has been very good but probably wouldn't have got a chance only that so many were gone from panel..Browne has been excellent,I know there was a transfer problem with clubs..paddy cadell and Jerome Cahill were leaders never got an extended run either..Ormand and Seymour were dangerous ..o Dwyer at corner back was another who didn't get any time..I know o Mara was going traveling..devanney also looked very good when I saw him..John kiely picked Kyle Hayes straight out of minor from a team who lost to tipp,he gave him the chance and look where he is now..I think it'll take tipp a few years now to get back up and be strong again..I think if some of those players had been given the chance,they'd now have place nailed down and be established.,
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2372 - 25/04/2022 11:32:41
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Replying To clooney: "Id say Limerick will be well qualified before game in Ennis despite the injuries, Diarmuid Byrnes now does for Limerick what Sean McMahon used to do for us, frees from long range & pops up with a couple from play as well.
The work rate of Limerick is incredible and both Cork & Waterford now know that its pointless trying to solo through them
only hope IMO is go over the halfback line & force them to turn.
It would be great to have CORK & TIPP out of the championship next week" Well Clooney, I completely agree with about having them both out next week but we still have to beat or draw with Tipp to quench their hopes altogether, as if they beat us and We lose to Clare also and Tipp beat Cork they would go through on the head to head rule.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4465 - 25/04/2022 11:46:32
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Quoting Tolkien? "...echoes Aragorn's famous speech at the Black Gate...The crownless again shall be King"
It sounds like McGrath is away." No he is not- They would not have him. He is talking tripe about Limerick and Waterford for years
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4465 - 25/04/2022 11:48:53
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Replying To daveboy: " Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Look what McGrath wrote in the examiner before the Limerick Waterford game:
The trilogy begins?
Limerick's mood and intent was obvious on Sunday, a team highly motivated where metrics and passion were perfectly fused. The immediate focus post-match was on a performance for the "people of the Gaelic Grounds". Equally as impressive was the mental strength and resolve shown by Waterford to push back a ravenous Tipperary, cope with expectancy, defy the initial sense they were underperforming, and to begin to flow coming down the stretch.
I firmly believe that tomorrow evening will be the first of three meetings between these two teams. Waterford's need to lay down a championship marker against Limerick echoes Aragorn's famous speech at the Black Gate in Tolkien's trilogy. "This day we fight," he declared. Waterford can fight their way to a precious two points.
This crystal ball could see Limerick attain a level of revenge in the Munster Final before the trilogy is completed with victory for ourselves on the 24th of July. Then Tolkien's words will be even more telling: "The crownless again shall be King"
Its laughable stuff really, he is already talking about Waterford winning the AI. Like that sort of nonsense is not helping their cause at all. Waterford would be best served flying under the radar as much as possible. Teams like Waterford with no AI for decades do not handle favoritism well. He is also being disrespectful to other top levels teams as he is essentially writing them off and putting a target on Waterfords back." Derek mcgrath became irrelevant about 2 years ago. I think he backed every team limerick played last year.. He does no favours whatsoever to the Waterford set up. No one wrote clare off that knows what they are talking about. A good few on here had limerick waterford and clare coming out. Clare have a very good squad and have had for a few years now. They were a puck of a ball from getting to AI semi last year where they'd have fancied beating kk. Maybe not limerick in the final but I agree with you they are in that 2nd tier. Clare v cork will be a very interesting stand alone fixture next weekend and clares schedule might help them with limerick 3rd who could already have qualified at that stage and Waterford last match . If clare lose to cork it'll get very tight for all teams."
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4465 - 25/04/2022 11:52:08
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Well Clooney, I completely agree with about having them both out next week but we still have to beat or draw with Tipp to quench their hopes altogether, as if they beat us and We lose to Clare also and Tipp beat Cork they would go through on the head to head rule." If Limerick are any way focused, they will dismantle Tipp
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1465 - 25/04/2022 11:59:01
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Liam Cahill is every bit the realist that Derek McGrath is the idealist. I think Cahill will be glad to have put goals past Limerick and being the shrewd operator he is, will have a plan for Limerick or whoever Waterford meet. Waterford's second goal was very well constructed and how Waterford opened us up was impressive.
It is unfair to say Limerick and Waterford will meet three times in the 22 championship and it is a lack of respect for the other counties in the MacCarthy cup. Both sides are playing great stuff but my bet is that Cahill doesn't read anything Derek writes and is laser focused on improving for the next game.
slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 25/04/2022 14:55:03
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Replying To Viking66: "They weren't just better. They were brilliant. We lost the Leinster Final in 2019 by 2 points to Kilkenny. Tipp beat us 8-16 to 1-15 in the AI semifinal and then thrashed Cork in the final scoring another 5 goals. This on top of winning in 2018 also." All down to Cahill and Bevans in my opinion. Some Waterford players at the moment playing out of their skin that looked out of their depth at intercounty 3 years ago.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 845 - 25/04/2022 15:12:05
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Surely it's time for cheedar Plunkett to step down as Laois manager now. The game in nowlan Park was a farce it was over after 15 minutes. Kilkenny didn't have to get out of first gear winning by 24 points at their ease. This claptrap about a heroic performance against Dublin was absolute nonsense. Dublin's woeful shooting kept us in the game nothing else. It's a sad day when we got rid of Eddie Brennan who walked because of lack of support. We have absolutely no ambition to improve and its highly possible we will lose out to Westmeath in the relegation tussle. Both Galway and wexford will hurl the ***** out of us. Laois hurling is still stuck in the dark ages.
Richardkimble (Laois) - Posts: 39 - 25/04/2022 17:01:56
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Replying To updwell: "All down to Cahill and Bevans in my opinion. Some Waterford players at the moment playing out of their skin that looked out of their depth at intercounty 3 years ago." Most of the Waterford lads you are talking about played in one of the best, if not the best, u21 AI winning team this millennium though. Yes Cahill and Bevans are proven good coaches at this stage but you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. That Tipp u20 team in 2019 were awesome.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 25/04/2022 17:37:34
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Replying To johnocarroll17: "Limerick have an atrocious record in Ennis as well ...." Clare were very impressive yesterday. And, SOD & PD will only grow in confidence. 4/5 of the Clare team could have got MOTM yesterday and TK was quite!! Really looking forward to Cork v Clare next Sunday .. I might even go!
Also can't wait for Limerick v Clare in Cusack. There's always a good hostile environment in the shed!! Great few weekends ahead
Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 25/04/2022 17:45:48
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It is unfair to say Limerick and Waterford will meet three times in the 22 championship and it is a lack of respect for the other counties in the MacCarthy cup. Both sides are playing great stuff but my bet is that Cahill doesn't read anything Derek writes and is laser focused on improving for the next game." Agree it so annoying to listen to this b.s. from Derek. It looks like he is trying to sabotage us. He was great with these guys when they were kids but never let them play as men.
Someone one will strangle him if he does not shut up. We haven't even qualified never mind talking about meeting Limerick twice. The other teams have a lot to say yet.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 25/04/2022 18:43:59
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