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Replying To katser:  "Not a bad 1st half from Galway
Galway 2-25 Westmeath 0-08!"
Ye might make the 1/4s yet

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 23/04/2022 21:08:57    2412612

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Is there any point in Westmeath and Laois being in the Leinster Championship?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1940 - 23/04/2022 21:30:48    2412621

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Shocs don't engage..let's enjoy what we in limerick are witnessing...missing 4 definite starters with Cian out after 10 mins and limerick still managed to pull through..I did think full back line were under pressure for last 15 minutes today..Waterford probably should have scored another 2 goals..can I just say thought ref did very well and actually allowed physical contact from both sides which is most unusual these days..can I congratulate both teams on the brilliant game provided this evening..I also think Cahill might regret the change he made when daly got injured..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2372 - 23/04/2022 21:44:18    2412629

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Is there any point in Westmeath and Laois being in the Leinster Championship?"
Probably not, especially when they are relegated after a year. I always wondered how a 'rest of Leinster' team would fare. There are some very good hurlers in Laois, Westmeath, Carlow, but nowhere near enough individually.

stpats1886 (Limerick) - Posts: 39 - 23/04/2022 21:45:30    2412631

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Is there any point in Westmeath and Laois being in the Leinster Championship?"
Firstly, to ensure that a big fish is not relegated. Secondly, to have a fair chance to retain a place in Leinster and to possibly progress if possible. Antrim were competitive in the league. If they play their cards right, they can be the best bet to get near the Top 9.
Saturday 21 May
Leinster SHC round 5
Laois v Westmeath, MW Hire O'Moore Park, 6pm
Kilkenny v Wexford, UPMC Nowlan Park, 6pm
Galway v Dublin, Pearse Stadium, 6pm

Massive result for Dublin tonight. This result should ensure that they travel to Galway in the final round chasing a Leinster final place. 4 teams finished on 5 points in the last Leinster round robin. It's setting up nicely again. Laois v Westmeath then being a relegation final. All to play for!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8271 - 23/04/2022 21:53:21    2412638

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Ye might make the 1/4s yet"
Humble stuff

Looking ominous for the rest of the championship, the intensity Limerick bring is something else, considering some of the lads they're missing. A lot of hurling to be played yet though but hard to look past them again.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1632 - 23/04/2022 22:02:39    2412640

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Replying To stpats1886:  "Probably not, especially when they are relegated after a year. I always wondered how a 'rest of Leinster' team would fare. There are some very good hurlers in Laois, Westmeath, Carlow, but nowhere near enough individually."
StPats, that sounds like an interesting proposal; a combined "rest of Leinster" team, with hurlers selected on merit from the rest of Leinster, to include the 3 counties that you mention, but also Kildare, Carlow, Wicklow and Meath. Something similar to the way the old Railway Cup teams were selected. It'd give you 5 teams in Leinster: Dublin, Galway, Kilkenny, ROL and Wexford, which is what there is in Munster (and that's a humdinger of a championship).

It'd also not give you the farcical games, such as Kilkenny vs Laois, or Galway vs. Westmeath that happened yesterday. What good did either of those games do for the betterment of hurling in those two counties? And I'm sure, Henry and Cody would have preferred to have been able to have a full-on training session yesterday morning, rather than having to fulfill those nuisance fixtures.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2093 - 24/04/2022 09:04:28    2412648

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Replying To endgame:  "Limerick are a brilliant team. The only doubt I have about them is that they seem reliant on the same 15 and don't seem to be bringing new players through. A team needs to refresh with one or two new players every year. Cody did that with Kilkenny. Limerick have a few players out injured and can't afford to lose more of their frontline players to injury because the replacements are not there."
This narrative about Limerick's depth is absolutely bizarre to me (not just you saying it). I think it's people clutching at straws. No other county's bench is recieving scrutiny like this. Obviously if a team isn't winning, it makes sense for counties to try new players. For Limerick, it clearly isn't broken so why would they force changes for the sake of it? People seem to want generational players on form in their mid twenties, to lose their places for some reason. And all of this being said after never looking in trouble against 'the second best team' minus 4 of their best players, and their depth is still being criticised.. bizarre.

"Don't seem to be bringing any players through"

19 year old Cathal O' Niel scored 3 points yesterday in his first championship year. Colm Coughlan, Ronan Connolly (impressive young centre back) and Adam English (brilliant 18 year old talent) saw lots of league time. But they are up against unbelieveable players in their prime, whereas they may have been promoted already in other counties.

How many counties have a defender like Ritchie English not getting any game time? Pat Ryan and Riedy have both scored and made impacts from the bench in both games. Apparently the fact that we 'still' are using these players is a bad thing.. we are still using them because they are seasoned county players in their 20s that consistently do well for Limerick off the bench. Why should they be dropped??

Also, the Kilkenny team from 2006 to 2009 had very few new players joining the panel, it's a myth that gets thrown out regularly for some reason.

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 24/04/2022 09:08:54    2412649

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I am not sure if the pick of the rest would beat Limerick. Disappointing to see a player like Cian Lynch getting injured. You want to see the best playing. The same for Iarlaith Daly. I said going in if we got in five points down from eleven it would be a great result. That was achieved. We still have to qualify but should be interesting when meeting again at a neutral venue. I think Cahill is probably happy enough.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 24/04/2022 09:23:07    2412653

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "We don't deserve any more than that, two atrocious displays."
Wexford and Galway could form an alliance and help each other out.......
Wexford could actually end up in a Leinster Final v Galway should both of us beat Kilkenny!!!
That would leave the standings...Galway 9pts, Wexford 7pts, Kilkenny 6pts, Dublin 6pts!!
Think about that one.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2471 - 24/04/2022 10:50:42    2412676

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Is there any point in Westmeath and Laois being in the Leinster Championship?"
To try and get their lads better by giving them more experience of playing on better opponents and raising the profile of hurling in those counties. Agreed they took bad beatings yesterday though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 24/04/2022 11:30:47    2412690

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Replying To katser:  "FFS Wexford!! Looks like that defeat to dublin has busted the year! Can only see Wexford finish 4th in Leinster now."
We need to get a win or maybe a draw in Nowlan Park now. Not impossible these lads have won there before. But equally we lost by a point there in 2018 after being 9 points up in the 2nd half. Anything is possible up there.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 24/04/2022 11:32:21    2412691

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Replying To katser:  "FFS Wexford!! Looks like that defeat to dublin has busted the year! Can only see Wexford finish 4th in Leinster now."
We need to get a win or maybe a draw in Nowlan Park now. Not impossible these lads have won there before. But equally we lost by a point there in 2018 after being 9 points up in the 2nd half. Anything is possible up there. And we need to beat Westmeath and Laois well too. Not definite results either knowing us.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 24/04/2022 11:33:05    2412693

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Replying To katser:  "Wexford and Galway could form an alliance and help each other out.......
Wexford could actually end up in a Leinster Final v Galway should both of us beat Kilkenny!!!
That would leave the standings...Galway 9pts, Wexford 7pts, Kilkenny 6pts, Dublin 6pts!!
Think about that one."
Why would you need an alliance? I assume both teams are going to try to beat kk anyway? You're also assuming kk beat Dublin there which, if they're losing to Wexford and Galway, are no gaurantee to do so.

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 24/04/2022 11:56:25    2412697

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Replying To Canuck:  "I am not sure if the pick of the rest would beat Limerick. Disappointing to see a player like Cian Lynch getting injured. You want to see the best playing. The same for Iarlaith Daly. I said going in if we got in five points down from eleven it would be a great result. That was achieved. We still have to qualify but should be interesting when meeting again at a neutral venue. I think Cahill is probably happy enough."
What a effort from both sides. I thought both sides played excellent hurling. There was a very strong diagonal breeze resulting in excessive wides from both teams. I think Waterford will learn a lot from this game. I left the Gaelic Grounds with serious respect for Waterford. I would also be pretty sure that if we meet three times this year it won't be 3/3 for Limerick. But what a game.
A word on the referee. He made a few unusual decisions on both sides. But he allowed the physicality which IMO was brilliant and let some big hits go.

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 24/04/2022 12:06:30    2412698

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Replying To katser:  "Wexford and Galway could form an alliance and help each other out.......
Wexford could actually end up in a Leinster Final v Galway should both of us beat Kilkenny!!!
That would leave the standings...Galway 9pts, Wexford 7pts, Kilkenny 6pts, Dublin 6pts!!
Think about that one."
That's great positive think Katser. It's still all to play for. If the Dubs beat the Cats also they would be in the final though!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 24/04/2022 12:26:38    2412702

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "StPats, that sounds like an interesting proposal; a combined "rest of Leinster" team, with hurlers selected on merit from the rest of Leinster, to include the 3 counties that you mention, but also Kildare, Carlow, Wicklow and Meath. Something similar to the way the old Railway Cup teams were selected. It'd give you 5 teams in Leinster: Dublin, Galway, Kilkenny, ROL and Wexford, which is what there is in Munster (and that's a humdinger of a championship).

It'd also not give you the farcical games, such as Kilkenny vs Laois, or Galway vs. Westmeath that happened yesterday. What good did either of those games do for the betterment of hurling in those two counties? And I'm sure, Henry and Cody would have preferred to have been able to have a full-on training session yesterday morning, rather than having to fulfill those nuisance fixtures."
That's actually not a bad idea Mr Young. And let Laois and Westmeath play in the Joe Mac also so they have the opportunity to win something individually also. Problem will be scheduling so that the players in the ROL team get to train togrther. As well as train and play for their own counties. It will be a big commitment for the players involved.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 24/04/2022 12:29:37    2412703

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Replying To katser:  "Wexford and Galway could form an alliance and help each other out.......
Wexford could actually end up in a Leinster Final v Galway should both of us beat Kilkenny!!!
That would leave the standings...Galway 9pts, Wexford 7pts, Kilkenny 6pts, Dublin 6pts!!
Think about that one."
I'd say you might be doing a Novena hoping that Mattie rests a few of our lads for the final when Dublin go down to Salthill :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3090 - 24/04/2022 12:44:03    2412708

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Replying To blackspot91:  "This narrative about Limerick's depth is absolutely bizarre to me (not just you saying it). I think it's people clutching at straws. No other county's bench is recieving scrutiny like this. Obviously if a team isn't winning, it makes sense for counties to try new players. For Limerick, it clearly isn't broken so why would they force changes for the sake of it? People seem to want generational players on form in their mid twenties, to lose their places for some reason. And all of this being said after never looking in trouble against 'the second best team' minus 4 of their best players, and their depth is still being criticised.. bizarre.

"Don't seem to be bringing any players through"

19 year old Cathal O' Niel scored 3 points yesterday in his first championship year. Colm Coughlan, Ronan Connolly (impressive young centre back) and Adam English (brilliant 18 year old talent) saw lots of league time. But they are up against unbelieveable players in their prime, whereas they may have been promoted already in other counties.

How many counties have a defender like Ritchie English not getting any game time? Pat Ryan and Riedy have both scored and made impacts from the bench in both games. Apparently the fact that we 'still' are using these players is a bad thing.. we are still using them because they are seasoned county players in their 20s that consistently do well for Limerick off the bench. Why should they be dropped??

Also, the Kilkenny team from 2006 to 2009 had very few new players joining the panel, it's a myth that gets thrown out regularly for some reason."
What you say about Kilkenny 2006 - 2009 is quite simply incorrect. Kilkenny had 5 new starters in the 2009 Final compared to the the 2006 Final. That's a third of the team . Cody always brought in new players and other players fell out of favour in a way that John Kiely hasn't done in Limerick. Not yet anyway but the injuries will test this brilliant Limerick team and their strength in depth.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2300 - 24/04/2022 13:02:00    2412713

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I'd say you might be doing a Novena hoping that Mattie rests a few of our lads for the final when Dublin go down to Salthill :-)"
Was a good even game Barney well done to your lads for holding on. Thought we were going to win halfway through the 2nd half but your lads dug deep. Sutcliffe block summed up Dublins attitude all afternoon. Now we probably need to win all our last 3 games or maybe win 2 really well if other results go our way. Our scoring difference is only minus 1 which I suppose is a small positive.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13746 - 24/04/2022 14:38:52    2412729

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