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Replying To foreveryoung: "I noticed with the lads when they were young, say 8 to about 18, they could name all the players on the major hurling teams. After they went to college, they no longer had the same interest. Of course, it was really only the first 15 they'd have to know, as subs were seldom used back then.
My Irish cousins tell me that their experience is similar…kids, even the ones who play the game, don't have the same interest when they become adults.
I could name the Limerick team, and Cork as I've seen their games a lot over the past 4-5 years. Tipp, I could until 3-4 years ago, but not now; so many changes. Even KK whose team of the Noughties, I knew by heart, it'd best me to name 6-7 of them (2 Walshes, Walter, TJ, Murphy the goalie not much more). Dublin and Galway have changed a lot, even Waterford has many new guys. I'd know about half the Clare team. And that's about it. Offaly? Is Shane Dooley still hurling? I could not name one other name.
By any chance, are you still quite young Chinconhurl? Still in school perhaps?" "Even KK whose team of the Noughties, I knew by heart, it'd best me to name 6-7 of them (2 Walshes, Walter, TJ, Murphy the goalie not much more"
Eoin Murphy never played for Kilkenny in the noughties. He played his first senior game in 2013.
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Replying To Viking66: "I'm 51. If you watch much hurling you will know who the players are. If not you wont. Doesnt matter if you are Mr Sheedy or Mr Young the same applies." Viking66, only 51! You come across as being a lot order. From your daily comments on here, I'd have had you down as a retired person, about 75-76 years old actually.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2093 - 21/04/2022 14:51:43
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Replying To StoreysTash: "There are so many reasons why that might be the case.
Lets be real here, 4.30 on a Saturday evening for Wexford and Galway (150 miles apart) is never going to generate a big crowd. That said, both stand and open side of Wexford Park were almost packed at the weekend and crowd was probably as big as Waterford Tipp which was on prime time.
Cork v Limerick was always going to bring out a big crowd. Cork is a huge county and knew it was the only game in PUC this year, Limerick are AI champions so tack on the 50% bandwagon since 2018 then why wouldn't it bring a huge crowd?
Not saying that bandwagon is unique to Limerick btw before I get attacked - every single county (including my own) has the ones who turn up for the big games and success breeds more of these. There were people slapping backs in 2019 after we beat Kilkenny who I swear I never saw before at a match." The fact that Galway don't really bring a big support is a factor and the time of the match. 1630 is such an odd time but then Wexford Park has no lights I think
10200 was still a poor crowd. The Waterford v Tipp game was full I think or close to it. The fact is Munster Championship gets way more people and its not down to bandwagoners. Limerick was one of the best supported teams in Ireland prior to 2018. The Cork v Limerick match was the only game that seemed like real Championship over the weekend. They had 35,000 in Cork for a Limerick game in 2018 of a Saturday night.
I'd hope to see 17 or 18,000 at the Wexford v Dublin game.. there ought be no excuses for another poor crowd. Waterford is 2 and half hours from Limerick but I'd expect 25 to 30,000 on Saturday night. Clare v Tipp is a tricky one. Clare have a core of about 8,000 supporters according to Fitzy and Loughnane. Tipp will bring about 12 to 15,000 so I'd say 20,000 at that.
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Replying To Seeking_silver: "Derek McGrath & John Mul can't see past Waterford for the last two years. This is great as a fan but a bit silly when they are pundits expecting people to take them seriously. I used to love listening to McGrath but am turned off him recently. Could still listen to Mullane all day. I love his passion!!" Tommy Walsh is the best man to listen to on off the ball,no bull,just honest hurling chat, could listen to him all day.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 21/04/2022 20:23:26
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Viking66, only 51! You come across as being a lot order. From your daily comments on here, I'd have had you down as a retired person, about 75-76 years old actually." Fraid you have 20 plus years on me! Maybe when I get to your age I'll forget the names of the hurlers I'm watching too!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13737 - 21/04/2022 20:32:45
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Replying To foreveryoung: "I noticed with the lads when they were young, say 8 to about 18, they could name all the players on the major hurling teams. After they went to college, they no longer had the same interest. Of course, it was really only the first 15 they'd have to know, as subs were seldom used back then.
My Irish cousins tell me that their experience is similar…kids, even the ones who play the game, don't have the same interest when they become adults.
I could name the Limerick team, and Cork as I've seen their games a lot over the past 4-5 years. Tipp, I could until 3-4 years ago, but not now; so many changes. Even KK whose team of the Noughties, I knew by heart, it'd best me to name 6-7 of them (2 Walshes, Walter, TJ, Murphy the goalie not much more). Dublin and Galway have changed a lot, even Waterford has many new guys. I'd know about half the Clare team. And that's about it. Offaly? Is Shane Dooley still hurling? I could not name one other name.
By any chance, are you still quite young Chinconhurl? Still in school perhaps?" I'm in my thirties I just happen to watch enough of a sport to know the players that I'm watching.
ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 292 - 21/04/2022 21:42:46
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bloodyban, it was such an interesting claim "best supported teams in Ireland prior to 2018" that I decided to look more deeply and started with the games between Wexford and Limerick I could remember going to (i.e. post mid noughties).
In 2009, Wexford played Limerick in Wexford Park, attendance, 8,500.
In 2011, a return fixture in Limerick, attendance 14,000.
I also had a look through Wikipedia at the attendances at Limerick matches in the Munster championship since 2011. The lowest was in 2011 where 15k decided to go to the first round of the Munster Championship v Waterford, but even as recently as 2018 there was just 20k in the Gaelic Grounds for Limerick Tipp in round 1, 23k for Limerick Waterford in round 3.
19k for a Munster Semi Final v Limerick in 2017, and at that stage the whole world knew Limerick were coming strong.
2019 there is a huge spike.
My point was still is, that like every other county Limerick has its core support base of probably around 10-12k people, and whatever else are Limerick's number 1 supporters estd 2018. We had our own bandwagon in 2019 and some have not returned since either. There will be max 500 Dubs in Wexford this weekend and whatever else will be Wexford supporters.
Success is easy to support and support is hard in lean times and I bet you know that as well as anybody.
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Replying To ChinCanHurl: "I'm in my thirties I just happen to watch enough of a sport to know the players that I'm watching." Fair enough. Thanks for answering me. I thought for a while that Viking was answering for you. TG, neither of you is the same person. Enjoy watching…!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2093 - 22/04/2022 12:55:35
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Replying To cityman73: "Tommy Walsh is the best man to listen to on off the ball,no bull,just honest hurling chat, could listen to him all day." He was having none of Munster better than Leinster anyway. When asked how the Leinster teams would do in the Munster championship, he replied "they'd win it" good man Tommy.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 473 - 22/04/2022 13:09:48
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Replying To WEX98: "He was having none of Munster better than Leinster anyway. When asked how the Leinster teams would do in the Munster championship, he replied "they'd win it" good man Tommy." I think he might be wrong though.....I think Limerick are streets ahead of the rest and I think even Waterford are going to find that out this weekend.
Like I said before, I have my doubts that anybody will get within 10 points of Limerick .
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Replying To Canuck: "Cahill must want to choke Derek. Making statements that set up his team for targeting" He seemed to get a bit flustered with the ipad too last Sunday night too.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2081 - 22/04/2022 13:32:23
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Replying To bloodyban: "The fact that Galway don't really bring a big support is a factor and the time of the match. 1630 is such an odd time but then Wexford Park has no lights I think
10200 was still a poor crowd. The Waterford v Tipp game was full I think or close to it. The fact is Munster Championship gets way more people and its not down to bandwagoners. Limerick was one of the best supported teams in Ireland prior to 2018. The Cork v Limerick match was the only game that seemed like real Championship over the weekend. They had 35,000 in Cork for a Limerick game in 2018 of a Saturday night.
I'd hope to see 17 or 18,000 at the Wexford v Dublin game.. there ought be no excuses for another poor crowd. Waterford is 2 and half hours from Limerick but I'd expect 25 to 30,000 on Saturday night. Clare v Tipp is a tricky one. Clare have a core of about 8,000 supporters according to Fitzy and Loughnane. Tipp will bring about 12 to 15,000 so I'd say 20,000 at that." I would expect a similar crowd in Wexford Park on Saturday unfortunately
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 22/04/2022 13:57:39
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Replying To StoreysTash: "bloodyban, it was such an interesting claim "best supported teams in Ireland prior to 2018" that I decided to look more deeply and started with the games between Wexford and Limerick I could remember going to (i.e. post mid noughties).
In 2009, Wexford played Limerick in Wexford Park, attendance, 8,500.
In 2011, a return fixture in Limerick, attendance 14,000.
I also had a look through Wikipedia at the attendances at Limerick matches in the Munster championship since 2011. The lowest was in 2011 where 15k decided to go to the first round of the Munster Championship v Waterford, but even as recently as 2018 there was just 20k in the Gaelic Grounds for Limerick Tipp in round 1, 23k for Limerick Waterford in round 3.
19k for a Munster Semi Final v Limerick in 2017, and at that stage the whole world knew Limerick were coming strong.
2019 there is a huge spike.
My point was still is, that like every other county Limerick has its core support base of probably around 10-12k people, and whatever else are Limerick's number 1 supporters estd 2018. We had our own bandwagon in 2019 and some have not returned since either. There will be max 500 Dubs in Wexford this weekend and whatever else will be Wexford supporters.
Success is easy to support and support is hard in lean times and I bet you know that as well as anybody." The only accurate way of doing this would be to show attendance over the season to get an average and not pick games here and there. If you were to take Limericks average attendance to games prior to 2018 I would think it would be up near the top.
Whatever way you want to cut it there are much bigger crowds on average in Munster over the years however far back you want to go.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 410 - 22/04/2022 14:33:36
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Replying To foreveryoung: "I noticed with the lads when they were young, say 8 to about 18, they could name all the players on the major hurling teams. After they went to college, they no longer had the same interest. Of course, it was really only the first 15 they'd have to know, as subs were seldom used back then.
My Irish cousins tell me that their experience is similar…kids, even the ones who play the game, don't have the same interest when they become adults.
I could name the Limerick team, and Cork as I've seen their games a lot over the past 4-5 years. Tipp, I could until 3-4 years ago, but not now; so many changes. Even KK whose team of the Noughties, I knew by heart, it'd best me to name 6-7 of them (2 Walshes, Walter, TJ, Murphy the goalie not much more). Dublin and Galway have changed a lot, even Waterford has many new guys. I'd know about half the Clare team. And that's about it. Offaly? Is Shane Dooley still hurling? I could not name one other name.
By any chance, are you still quite young Chinconhurl? Still in school perhaps?" Mandatory helmets are responsible I reckon. I would only recognise a handful of current inter-county hurlers if I met them on the street. Not having a face to put to all the names is definitely a factor. Like with Limerick for example, obviously they're all great hurlers and the names are prominent but I think Cian Lynch is the only one I'd confidently identify.
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Replying To Afinestick: "I would expect a similar crowd in Wexford Park on Saturday unfortunately" Independent gave 13000 and something as the attendance in their write up?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13737 - 22/04/2022 14:41:06
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Replying To Fitzy01: "The only accurate way of doing this would be to show attendance over the season to get an average and not pick games here and there. If you were to take Limericks average attendance to games prior to 2018 I would think it would be up near the top.
Whatever way you want to cut it there are much bigger crowds on average in Munster over the years however far back you want to go." That is one for my next holiday but I looked at them all this morning but I can tell you there are plenty of games involving all counties which are in the 15-20-25k average (and only a few explained by capacity in Walsh/Cusack Park). Naturally Munster finals have a huge crowd no matter who in it.
It is hardly a surprise that there are bigger crowds in Munster with top counties bordering each other, when the comparison in Leinster is 3 counties 150km apart and another county with a tiny hurling support (Dublin). There would be something wrong otherwise.
The only match which will sell out is Wexford Kilkenny assuming there is something to play for.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1783 - 22/04/2022 15:00:42
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Replying To Viking66: "Independent gave 13000 and something as the attendance in their write up?" Seen another paper said 10200. Not sure which attendance was correct
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 22/04/2022 15:12:02
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Two huge games at the weekend and I don't include limerick -Waterford in that as they will meet again twice this year I'd imagine.
Absolute must win game for Tipp and I can't see there being more than a puck of the ball in this one. Tipp full back like done ok last week but if Kelly spends some time in the full forward line we could be in trouble. If we win this one we have a fighting chance, lose and it's curtains for the year. Really difficult game to call
Wexford -Dublin I also think will go down to the wire. I'd expect Dublin to beat one of Wexford or Galway which would make things very interesting. Dublin regularly flatter to deceive. Once again there'll be nothing in this game. I'd expect big games from Liam Ryan and O'Hanlon which might ensure Dublin fail to score enough.
As for Limerick and Waterford, this one is hard to call too and I'm not sure how relevant it will be in terms of the remainder of the cship, although Waterford will feel they need a big performance against Limerick. I thought for long periods of the Tipp game, the majority of Waterfords middle 8 were quiet so they'll need to up things big time in that area but Gleeson and Barron will help that! Limerick might just win this one with a few to spare. Hopefully no silly sending offs.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 22/04/2022 15:20:24
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Just having a quick look at the fixtures in Munster and they could very well play into Clare's hands.
Limerick have a bye in the last round so Clare's last two games is limericks final game in the round robin and waterfords final game in the round robin. One of them could already be guaranteed a Munster final place before that game- particularly Waterford (if they win on Sunday) as they'll know virtually all other results at that point.
We have seen teams do it in the past and change a large portion of their team. Clare however will need to beat one of Tipp and Cork as well however.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 22/04/2022 15:28:49
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Replying To StoreysTash: "bloodyban, it was such an interesting claim "best supported teams in Ireland prior to 2018" that I decided to look more deeply and started with the games between Wexford and Limerick I could remember going to (i.e. post mid noughties).
In 2009, Wexford played Limerick in Wexford Park, attendance, 8,500.
In 2011, a return fixture in Limerick, attendance 14,000.
I also had a look through Wikipedia at the attendances at Limerick matches in the Munster championship since 2011. The lowest was in 2011 where 15k decided to go to the first round of the Munster Championship v Waterford, but even as recently as 2018 there was just 20k in the Gaelic Grounds for Limerick Tipp in round 1, 23k for Limerick Waterford in round 3.
19k for a Munster Semi Final v Limerick in 2017, and at that stage the whole world knew Limerick were coming strong.
2019 there is a huge spike.
My point was still is, that like every other county Limerick has its core support base of probably around 10-12k people, and whatever else are Limerick's number 1 supporters estd 2018. We had our own bandwagon in 2019 and some have not returned since either. There will be max 500 Dubs in Wexford this weekend and whatever else will be Wexford supporters.
Success is easy to support and support is hard in lean times and I bet you know that as well as anybody." Would fully agree with that,we have a core support of 12k,we have huge bandwagon supporters too,we had it with limerick football too,there was only 17,000 at 2018 quarter final against Kilkenny.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 22/04/2022 16:45:42
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