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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Jim Byrne won his medal in 1938.
See the link below:

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hy i it o hard to add a link on here? I'll try again.

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https://www.hoganstand.com/article/index/198363"]Cockney, no need to even try. It was a rhetorical question. I knew the answer before I asked ( and have known that answer for many years now).

But, thank you for your effort and your contribution.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2094 - 28/04/2022 13:28:32    2413860

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Replying To baire:  "In my view, if Galway hadn't been invited into Leinster by the GAA president (a KK man) KK definitely would have won more Leinsters and Als and the competition in Leinster would be in a poorer state than it is now. I live in Dublin and I know the hurling scene reasonably well. I have coached underage teams here and I was glad to see the development of hurling in the capital. However, I don't take kindly to a Dublin poster bad mouthing Galway on this forum. I know the amount of Galway hurling fanatics who have helped to advance hurling in Dublin, not forgetting their present manager, a true hurling man."
And yes personally I think it's great that Galway are in Leinster. For Galway in particular and also the Championship. At least you have a competitive team unlike when you were put in Munster years ago. Your teams should be playing minor too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13759 - 28/04/2022 13:30:13    2413862

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Jim Byrne, correct!

That's not quite accurate, though! Tommy Carr, for one, born in Dublin on July 30, 1965 has two Al medals, even captaining his county to one of those wins.

I'm sure that he's not the only one. Dublin is a big ould place, compared to anywhere else in Ireland (tiny compared to certain places over here, Japan right now, not USA, even places at home seem small here), so the chances that a player was born there and then moved to another county and won an AI for that county are quite high, I'd say, and not just vice-versa!

If the accusation can cut one way, then surely it can cut the other.

I, for example, would never dream of questioning Nick O'Donnell's AI medals, or of casting any dispersion on them, even though he was born and bred Kilkenny, and technically (if we apply your reasoning, Doyler) wasn't a Wexford man at all. (And didn't Quaid on that fine 1960 team, happen to be an outsider as well? Were they the only two you had that year?).

But by applying my reasoning, Nick O'Donnell is as true a Wexford man as any; up there with those great men of '98. All those men who won AI medals for Dublin (and even more so in football until the recent age) are Dubliners, from my perspective.

Winners don't question where nor how the titles come!"
Everyone in Wexford is well aware of where Nick O Donnell was from and how he came to play in that great team. He was not a Wexford man though and never claimed to be. Oliver Gough won AI Senior medals firstly for Wexford in 55/56 then after he moved back to his native Kilkenny due to work he won 1 there too. He was the last man to win AIs with 2 different counties I think. Would be fairly sure hed have described himself as a Kilkenny man also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13759 - 28/04/2022 13:36:50    2413863

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Jim Byrne, correct!

That's not quite accurate, though! Tommy Carr, for one, born in Dublin on July 30, 1965 has two Al medals, even captaining his county to one of those wins.

I'm sure that he's not the only one. Dublin is a big ould place, compared to anywhere else in Ireland (tiny compared to certain places over here, Japan right now, not USA, even places at home seem small here), so the chances that a player was born there and then moved to another county and won an AI for that county are quite high, I'd say, and not just vice-versa!

If the accusation can cut one way, then surely it can cut the other.

I, for example, would never dream of questioning Nick O'Donnell's AI medals, or of casting any dispersion on them, even though he was born and bred Kilkenny, and technically (if we apply your reasoning, Doyler) wasn't a Wexford man at all. (And didn't Quaid on that fine 1960 team, happen to be an outsider as well? Were they the only two you had that year?).

But by applying my reasoning, Nick O'Donnell is as true a Wexford man as any; up there with those great men of '98. All those men who won AI medals for Dublin (and even more so in football until the recent age) are Dubliners, from my perspective.

Winners don't question where nor how the titles come!"
I was kind of hoping you weren't going to bring up nick o Donnell to be honest :)

He's one of our all time greats, but to me, he's a kilkenny man, and quaid of course a limerick man God rest him.

Ultimately, the greatest players we've produced have been our own so the point remains the same.

Rackard, the greatest ever, Quigley, McGrath, flood, Doran, Jacob, buggy, dunne, storey, fitzhenry etc.

I would argue Dublin do not have that same tradition.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3130 - 28/04/2022 13:47:20    2413869

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Replying To Viking66:  "God we were well behind everyone else bar Offaly all over the county from under 7s upwards towards the end of the noughties!!!!"
You're not wrong Viking but we got away with it a little in 01 through to 05 with one big performance a year.

We fell off a cliff then in 09 until dunne came along and rebuilt.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3130 - 28/04/2022 13:53:51    2413871

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Replying To endgame:  "Is Colm Bonnar the Manager to bring these young players forward."
Outside of Liam Cahill I can't see many other candidates. Jury is out but i think the Tipp public should and will get behind him for the next couple of years. Remains to be seen. I've seen some criticism of him from outside of Tipp which I think is unjustified.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/04/2022 13:58:29    2413875

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Actually if you re-read my post I'm basically saying against the logic of what I've seen this year I'm going for Cork. Logic says Clare will win. However, my prediction is based on two things - firstly Tipp need Cork to win and I actually have no dislike for Clare more than the majority of counties and I was hopeing they'd win in 2013 for example.
The second is that Cork were hammered by a really top class Limerick team that I think from this point on will hammer everyone with the excpetion of Waterford who they will probably still beat convincingly. A big factor in the result will be Corks tactics and if Kingston finally decides to move Joyce to centre back. Horgan has got a load of abuse here for his dip in form - but DJ, Eoin Kelly, Christy Ring etc couldnt do much with no ball going in either. Horgan will do damage if the ball is let in. I dont buy that the forwards arent moving - its a clear tactic that theyre told to play through the lines slowly so thats why the forwards dont move. If the ball is let into a full forward line quickly with the likes of Horgan, Kingston and O'Connor or even Cadogan then I'd expect Cork to win. Cork simply have to change tactics whether they do or not though is anyones guess. Clare hammered Tipp out the gate without playing near their best in my opinion. I thought in the second half they were actually fairly average. Thats not a dig - I'm just saying it as I see it. If I'm proven wrong I'll hold my hands up but I'm not basing anything on league form as Cork didnt impress me in any game in the league. I just feel Cork have the forwards to let loose on most teams - however as we seen in the U20 last night, Cork forwards stand up with hands on hips when they dont win the ball first time and thats not going to work against Conlon, McInerney and co. Cork scored 20 times against probably the best defensive unit of all time and played very poorly in doing so while Clare scored 24 times against a defence that was in complete disarray with 3 backs who had 3 cship appearances in defence beteen them. Maybe talking out of both sides of my mouth but thats how I'm justifying it. This game could go any way though. If Clare win all of a sudden they have a great chance of a place in the Munster final."
Excellent post. Brilliantly reasoned point well made. My only concern for Joyce 6 is expectation and inexperience. It's a lot on a young man's shoulders with little or no lead in time. But if he's the real deal then let him in there. Coleman is clearly not a 6. Still can't fathom how he defended at times v Limerick.

I'm really looking forward to clare v cork. It's such a shame it's not televised and i might even travel. Clare could easily have conceded 3 more goals v Tipp so I can see where cork with their pace can get in behind.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 28/04/2022 14:30:35    2413887

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Replying To Viking66:  "Think he was replying to Katser Baire. Do you spot a pattern yet?!"
Well then ppl should address Katser not the Galway hurlers or else ignore him.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 28/04/2022 15:08:15    2413901

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Replying To daveboy:  "Excellent post. Brilliantly reasoned point well made. My only concern for Joyce 6 is expectation and inexperience. It's a lot on a young man's shoulders with little or no lead in time. But if he's the real deal then let him in there. Coleman is clearly not a 6. Still can't fathom how he defended at times v Limerick.

I'm really looking forward to clare v cork. It's such a shame it's not televised and i might even travel. Clare could easily have conceded 3 more goals v Tipp so I can see where cork with their pace can get in behind."
Can't understand why there hasn't been more noise about this game not being televised ....

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 28/04/2022 15:39:54    2413905

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Replying To daveboy:  "Excellent post. Brilliantly reasoned point well made. My only concern for Joyce 6 is expectation and inexperience. It's a lot on a young man's shoulders with little or no lead in time. But if he's the real deal then let him in there. Coleman is clearly not a 6. Still can't fathom how he defended at times v Limerick.

I'm really looking forward to clare v cork. It's such a shame it's not televised and i might even travel. Clare could easily have conceded 3 more goals v Tipp so I can see where cork with their pace can get in behind."
Ronan Maher was 19 in 2016 and played at 6 albeit with plenty of experience around him. I feel Cork have no choice but to fire him in there but Kingston seems like an incredibly stubborn man so the chances are not a lot will change apart from one or two personnel changes such as Harnedy starting.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/04/2022 15:39:57    2413906

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Replying To daveboy:  "Excellent post. Brilliantly reasoned point well made. My only concern for Joyce 6 is expectation and inexperience. It's a lot on a young man's shoulders with little or no lead in time. But if he's the real deal then let him in there. Coleman is clearly not a 6. Still can't fathom how he defended at times v Limerick.

I'm really looking forward to clare v cork. It's such a shame it's not televised and i might even travel. Clare could easily have conceded 3 more goals v Tipp so I can see where cork with their pace can get in behind."
Can someone advise if we can watch this game on GAAGO in Ireland? Its not something I've done before but its cheaper than travelling to the game for the neutrals! It seems to be on GAAGO but just not sure if we can watch it in Ireland...I know you can abroad..

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/04/2022 15:55:50    2413914

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Can someone advise if we can watch this game on GAAGO in Ireland? Its not something I've done before but its cheaper than travelling to the game for the neutrals! It seems to be on GAAGO but just not sure if we can watch it in Ireland...I know you can abroad.."
You would have to use a VPN and set it for say a European country as they won't allow you to watch gaago your connection is Ireland.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 28/04/2022 16:57:05    2413928

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Replying To zinny:  "You would have to use a VPN and set it for say a European country as they won't allow you to watch gaago your connection is Ireland."
The Island of Ireland (Northern Ireland and The Republic of)
GAAGO is now available to purchase and view on the island of Ireland. **Please note, due to rights restrictions games broadcast on TV on the Island of Ireland (RTÉ, TG4, Sky, eir Sport and BBC NI) will not be available to view on our service. Availability in your region is clearly stated on each game listing.

I had a look and I think things have changed since Covid so we might be in luck for this game…

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/04/2022 17:39:30    2413936

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Can someone advise if we can watch this game on GAAGO in Ireland? Its not something I've done before but its cheaper than travelling to the game for the neutrals! It seems to be on GAAGO but just not sure if we can watch it in Ireland...I know you can abroad.."
Yes, you can watch it on GAAGO in Ireland, €9.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2652 - 28/04/2022 18:08:57    2413942

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Correction. €10.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2652 - 28/04/2022 18:11:37    2413943

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Quite decent actually! And here are the stats for ya!

Dublin: Leinster titles: 55

Senior: 24 - 1889, '92, '94, '96, 1902, '06, '08, '17, '19, '20, '21, '24, '27, '28, '30, '34, '38, '41, '42, '44, '48, '52, '61, 2013

Under 21/20: Seven - 1967, '72, 2007, '10, '11, 16, '20

Minor: 16 - 1928, '38, '45, '46, '47, '52, '53, '54, '65, '83, 2005, '07, '11, '12, '16, '18

Junior: Eight - 1908, '25, '32, '37, '47, '50, '52, '55

Almost identical to Wexford's record (obviously I'm not gonna bring up KK's incomparable record):

Wexford: Leinster titles: 56

Senior: 21 - 1890, '91, '99, 1901, '10, '18, '51, 54, '55, '56, '60, '62, '65, '68, '70, '76, '77, '96, '97, 2004, '19

Under 21: 17 - 1964, '65, '66, '69, '70, '71, '73, '79, '86, '87, '96, '97, 2001, 2002, '13, '14, '15

Minor: Eight - 1963, '66, '67, '68, '70, '80, '85, 2019

Intermediate: Three - 2001, 2002, 2014

Junior: Seven - 1926, '40, '57, '59, '85, '87, '92"
You'll blind yourself with dates! The question was about Dublin's record in Leinster before Galway arrived .I. senior IC hurling. From 1962-2009, nada. As has been said the Dublin team pre 1962 consisted of country fellas who worked in Dublin.
However, in recent years Dublin may well have contested or even won an AIl Ireland if some of its very talented players e.g Con O' Callaghan & C Kilkenny had opted for hurling instead of football.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 28/04/2022 18:40:55    2413947

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Can someone advise if we can watch this game on GAAGO in Ireland? Its not something I've done before but its cheaper than travelling to the game for the neutrals! It seems to be on GAAGO but just not sure if we can watch it in Ireland...I know you can abroad.."
I checked GaaGo again there now and you can buy the game for €10, its the kilkenny/galway game that is unavailable to watch on gaago in Ireland.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2082 - 28/04/2022 19:14:52    2413954

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "Here's a question you may be able to answer as you have been around much longer than I - the 1964 championship game between Limerick and Clare was played in Nenagh. I have often wondered why this game was in Nenagh which is off the beaten track vis a vis an inter county championship venue."
I actually have only a very dim recollection of that game, but I remember Tipp played Limerick there in a National League Semi Final in '64. Of course back in the day Clonmel Sports field hosted some in great Limerick/Waterford battles back in the Mackey/Keane era.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4465 - 28/04/2022 19:18:38    2413955

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I was kind of hoping you weren't going to bring up nick o Donnell to be honest :)

He's one of our all time greats, but to me, he's a kilkenny man, and quaid of course a limerick man God rest him.

Ultimately, the greatest players we've produced have been our own so the point remains the same.

Rackard, the greatest ever, Quigley, McGrath, flood, Doran, Jacob, buggy, dunne, storey, fitzhenry etc.

I would argue Dublin do not have that same tradition."
My post should have said Declan Carr. Tommy is his brother. Declan, Dublin-born, captained Tipp in 1991 to AI victory. I think it was 1991.

While Tommy played for years for Dublin. I don't think he ever won AI medal, though. Perhaps, he should have gone to Tipp, too.

I agree that Dublin don't have the same tradition as it's so long ago now since they won McCarthy that their names are no longer in living memory, unlike in Wexford (great documentary on Rackard, btw).

However, it did surprise me that Dublin has more Leinster titles in senior hurling than Wexford.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2094 - 29/04/2022 09:01:16    2413986

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "My post should have said Declan Carr. Tommy is his brother. Declan, Dublin-born, captained Tipp in 1991 to AI victory. I think it was 1991.

While Tommy played for years for Dublin. I don't think he ever won AI medal, though. Perhaps, he should have gone to Tipp, too.

I agree that Dublin don't have the same tradition as it's so long ago now since they won McCarthy that their names are no longer in living memory, unlike in Wexford (great documentary on Rackard, btw).

However, it did surprise me that Dublin has more Leinster titles in senior hurling than Wexford."
Not surprised given the era they came from. A lot of the Dublin teams back then were made up of players that had previously played for other counties so they were always strong. What is harder to understand is with such an influx of players over such a long period of time why did they not become a major force in Hurling. I guess the economy had a lot to do with it in as ultimately they and their sons ended up elsewhere.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 29/04/2022 10:31:18    2414004

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