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Everyone here blaming the ref... He watched the whole thing from 2m. He spoke to 2 unpires then 2 linesmen. Then he gave out 5 red cards and 1 yellow card. If any of the 4 people he spoke to reported a red card offence he had to send them off. After several rewatches of the video I think the position of the officials very much dictated who got away with stuff and who didn't. There could have been more cards. There were at least 10 incidents of guys being flung to the ground either by being grabbed in headlocks, wrestled, jersey collar. Even a few instances of choking guys. It went on for 75 secs. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 253 - 07/02/2022 12:50:52 2398882 Link
Replying To wishfulthinkin: "its a pity he didn't send off about 10 from each team for the utter pathetic attempt at a row. All the hours these lads spend in the gym and not one of them could throw a punch...embarrassing" Agree 100%. Same goes for most county teams around the place. Plenty of big men throwin shapes but when it comes to lampin a lad with a box they're pussycats. Sad reflection Zucker (Leitrim) - Posts: 156 - 07/02/2022 12:51:17 2398883 Link
The Roscommon Meath row ... Tumbleweed The Dublin Kerry melee ... Crickets The Dublin Waterford game ... Nothing to see here. Move along. tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 07/02/2022 13:04:49 2398887 Link
Replying To wishfulthinkin: "its a pity he didn't send off about 10 from each team for the utter pathetic attempt at a row. All the hours these lads spend in the gym and not one of them could throw a punch...embarrassing" Why would you want them to throw a punch? I'm pretty sure none of them wanted to throw a punch. That would be far more serious and you could end up with some broken jaws. Most rows in sport, whether it's soccer, rugby, basketball or GAA involve pushing, shoving and a bit of wrestling. That's usually the height of it. It's rarer to see punches being thrown. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2049 - 07/02/2022 13:11:44 2398890 Link
it also boils down to management and the players themselves. if you're getting beat take it and don't use excuse of melee to use this as a distraction. That's the problem with the woke generation, always winners Blitzkrig (Fermanagh) - Posts: 39 - 07/02/2022 13:15:14 2398894 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "Didnt see the game or the melee but the behaviour last week when Conor McManus came on was ugly and disgusting. Many of these players beat Tipp in the u21 final a number of years ago and anyone who was at that game would not be surprised that this type of ugly play is a feature of the Tyrone senior team now." Firstly where's the evidence from that u21 game? were Tyrone players suspended etc? Secondly time to move i think The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 07/02/2022 13:22:37 2398898 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "Why would you want them to throw a punch? I'm pretty sure none of them wanted to throw a punch. That would be far more serious and you could end up with some broken jaws. Most rows in sport, whether it's soccer, rugby, basketball or GAA involve pushing, shoving and a bit of wrestling. That's usually the height of it. It's rarer to see punches being thrown." so why bother? What are you going to achieve pushing and shoving? If you decide to join a fight, go in to win. wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1687 - 07/02/2022 13:34:52 2398907 Link
The rules are clear... If you are contributing to a melee it is a red card, plain and simple. Gough could and should have sent off more, but the idea that he shouldn't have sent off the ones he did, is laughable. So too is the idea that fellas in headlocks being dragged along the ground while others are throwing half skites about the place in a rolling brawl, is just 'handbag stuff'. Need to move away from that thuggish mentality, and the viewing public need to cop themselves on and not be cheering and encouraging it on from the stands, as you could easily hear going on in the footage online. Not even rugby, which is a much more physical sport than GAA, tolerates that nonsense anymore. The rules are there to deter lads from turning thug during a game. If the cards are eventually overturned (and I hope they are not), the deterrent is feckless and the rules are then not fit for purpose. This isn't just a Tyrone or Armagh or Ulster thing either. It needs calling out and stamping out everywhere! LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 473 - 07/02/2022 14:12:52 2398936 Link
I think handing out all those red card was ridiculous, you'd need a video ref anyway to pick through it to make sure you were booking the right players, the way I see it unless it's a clear punch thrown it should be yellow cards all around for a few lads and get on with it then, on a similar note I watched the Kerry Dublin game Saturday night, noticed how the RTE cameras zoomed in to the players going down the tunnel at half time hoping there'd be a scrap I suppose and something else to blacken the GAA with. Looked that way to me anyway. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2757 - 07/02/2022 15:17:07 2398980 Link
I can't understand lads here advocating that punches be thrown on a football field? If punching is what you're after there's plenty of boxing on every weekend instead. Or even that dog's sport MMA.... The big danger from yesterday's melee was that it occurred so close to the perimeter wall of the pitch. Someone could easily have got a bad bang to the head with all the horsing around that was going on. I think we could learn a lot from the rugby. There's plenty bigger men in that sport involved in a lot more physicality but you'd rarely if ever see any GAA style melees Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 07/02/2022 15:55:37 2399003 Link
Replying To Tirchonaill1: "I think handing out all those red card was ridiculous, you'd need a video ref anyway to pick through it to make sure you were booking the right players, the way I see it unless it's a clear punch thrown it should be yellow cards all around for a few lads and get on with it then, on a similar note I watched the Kerry Dublin game Saturday night, noticed how the RTE cameras zoomed in to the players going down the tunnel at half time hoping there'd be a scrap I suppose and something else to blacken the GAA with. Looked that way to me anyway." Yes I think RTE love the drama to be honest. Suppose when you have bland analysts etc on the thing you need something to keep people entertained. Bullingcorncrake (UK) - Posts: 2 - 07/02/2022 16:08:54 2399012 Link
Replying To wishfulthinkin: "its a pity he didn't send off about 10 from each team for the utter pathetic attempt at a row. All the hours these lads spend in the gym and not one of them could throw a punch...embarrassing" Aren't you the boy! Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 07/02/2022 16:14:23 2399018 Link
Often saw more pushing and shoving on the way out from mass….. A total over reaction from all the officials involved….. all cards will hopefully be rescinded…. ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1950 - 07/02/2022 16:24:21 2399025 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "Didnt see the game or the melee but the behaviour last week when Conor McManus came on was ugly and disgusting. Many of these players beat Tipp in the u21 final a number of years ago and anyone who was at that game would not be surprised that this type of ugly play is a feature of the Tyrone senior team now." I was at that match and have watched it at least twice since. I still cannot fathom what all the fuss is about. It was quite a clean game and it appears that most of the negative play actually came directly from the Tipperary players. Tyrone just seemed to be a standard above Tipp and they haven't been able to get over this yet. It is brought up regularly by Tipp posters on here, but the fact it seems to get zero traction would suggest that there wasn't really much to talk about in the first place. I think Tipp fans need to move on and get over the fact that a lot of those Tyrone lads are now all ireland senior champions while the Tipp players are currently playing football at the bottom of division 4. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 07/02/2022 16:29:03 2399029 Link
Replying To LongfordgaaAbú: "The rules are clear... If you are contributing to a melee it is a red card, plain and simple. Gough could and should have sent off more, but the idea that he shouldn't have sent off the ones he did, is laughable. So too is the idea that fellas in headlocks being dragged along the ground while others are throwing half skites about the place in a rolling brawl, is just 'handbag stuff'. Need to move away from that thuggish mentality, and the viewing public need to cop themselves on and not be cheering and encouraging it on from the stands, as you could easily hear going on in the footage online. Not even rugby, which is a much more physical sport than GAA, tolerates that nonsense anymore. The rules are there to deter lads from turning thug during a game. If the cards are eventually overturned (and I hope they are not), the deterrent is feckless and the rules are then not fit for purpose. This isn't just a Tyrone or Armagh or Ulster thing either. It needs calling out and stamping out everywhere!" That's the problem. There is no consistency whatsoever. We've seen this type of stuff before involving high profile players and teams with no action taken, so it's understandable that the cards are being appealed. And it's not just the referees that are inconsistent. The RTE pundits can be very selective as to when to put the boot in. They brand these melees as thuggery or handbags depending on what teams are involved. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 545 - 07/02/2022 16:29:32 2399030 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "I can't understand lads here advocating that punches be thrown on a football field? If punching is what you're after there's plenty of boxing on every weekend instead. Or even that dog's sport MMA.... The big danger from yesterday's melee was that it occurred so close to the perimeter wall of the pitch. Someone could easily have got a bad bang to the head with all the horsing around that was going on. I think we could learn a lot from the rugby. There's plenty bigger men in that sport involved in a lot more physicality but you'd rarely if ever see any GAA style melees" Or worse still, a supporter could have got involved. Nothing to see here. Ref lost all control, Armagh men laughing with us in stand how ref picked anyone out. Refs need to learn to call the two captains over and lay down the law. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 07/02/2022 16:35:17 2399037 Link
I knew when i heard about the 5 red cards that David Gough would be the ref involved, HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts: 144 - 07/02/2022 16:42:57 2399045 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "Didnt see the game or the melee but the behaviour last week when Conor McManus came on was ugly and disgusting. Many of these players beat Tipp in the u21 final a number of years ago and anyone who was at that game would not be surprised that this type of ugly play is a feature of the Tyrone senior team now." Jaysus, you need to get out more, holding a grudge from an U21 match 7 years ago... HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 07/02/2022 16:56:00 2399056 Link
Replying To wishfulthinkin: "so why bother? What are you going to achieve pushing and shoving? If you decide to join a fight, go in to win." You'll achieve as much as you will punching a lad in the face, but without the 6 month suspension and the risk of getting sued for breaking someone's jaw. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2049 - 07/02/2022 17:00:45 2399061 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "Or worse still, a supporter could have got involved. Nothing to see here. Ref lost all control, Armagh men laughing with us in stand how ref picked anyone out. Refs need to learn to call the two captains over and lay down the law." No. The ref didn't lose control. The Tyrone players pulling lads to the ground by the head lost control . daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/02/2022 17:01:04 2399062 Link

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