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That Tyrone/Armagh Row

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Was David Gough correct handing out all those red cards? A more ugly foul happened a few minutes later. Are the GAA out to nail Tyrone this year?

Marooning (Westmeath) - Posts: 24 - 06/02/2022 19:28:47    2398660

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Replying To Marooning:  "Was David Gough correct handing out all those red cards? A more ugly foul happened a few minutes later. Are the GAA out to nail Tyrone this year?"
As you say yourself, he could have sent off two more for dangerous tackles after the row.
Gough stood back, took numbers, consulted with umpires and linesman.
Don't think he's out to get anyone, I think he's a good ref.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 06/02/2022 19:36:13    2398665

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Why would the GAA be out to nail Tyrone?

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1053 - 06/02/2022 19:38:44    2398666

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Replying To Marooning:  "Was David Gough correct handing out all those red cards? A more ugly foul happened a few minutes later. Are the GAA out to nail Tyrone this year?"
Not sure they are out to "nail" Tyrone but Gough clearly got it wrong. Never ever was that 4 reds. It will be overturned and Gough will look the fool.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 06/02/2022 19:39:50    2398667

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On a wider point, Tyrone has form in being woeful the year after they win it. Obviously, 04 was a tragic once-off, but in 05 and 08, Tyrone played very good football - but in each of the following years, they weren't even competitive - they were unacceptably poor. That could be playing out again.

You're right of course about those cards today - complete over-reaction. But yeah, there is a lot of smiles-through-gritted-teeth about Tyrone's win last year - they are seen as having spoiled the Mayo party, the nation's favourite, and that impertinence will not be quickly or easily forgiven. You can take it as read that Tyrone will be on the wrong side of a lot of iffy refereeing calls this year. Last weekend's performance by the man in black was a joke - the last minute winning score by Tyrone had gone over the bar well before the Tyrone forward collided with the Monaghan goalie. Brendan Crossan in the Belfast Irish News has no connections with Tyrone, and is primarily a soccer man; but he is an experienced all-round sports journalist who also understand GAA very well, and he was very scathing about last weekend's ref's obvious bias - as he put it, "the lack of consistency was alarming".

Although it will not make much difference - nowadays, you need a strong bench, and Tyrone are obviously having problems keeping people in the squad, even when those same impact subs are very much needed, and in the modern game, play a massive role. That weakened bench, plus Tyrone's by now habitual slackness in the year after they win, plus the inevitable fussy reffing, will ensure that this will be a short year for Tyrone.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 06/02/2022 19:50:25    2398679

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Thought the row looked a bit ugly, 1 or 2 players on the ground in the middle of it, lucky no serious injuries..think a red card for each side was enough

roscommon1944 (Roscommon) - Posts: 275 - 06/02/2022 19:51:54    2398680

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Replying To sean og:  "Why would the GAA be out to nail Tyrone?"
For beating Mayo in the year when Mayo beat Dublin, and spoiling the nation's party. And we're generally not liked anyway! Great performance by Armagh btw, hope you keep it going and win it -no reason why not, all about belief.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 06/02/2022 19:53:08    2398684

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Not sure they are out to "nail" Tyrone but Gough clearly got it wrong. Never ever was that 4 reds. It will be overturned and Gough will look the fool."
Ah here Harte McGeary where clearly seen on tv cameras grabbing lads in headlocks and burying them into the ground, very dangerous, given a neck injury has ended mahers career with tipp recently it is v dangerous and ref was correct. Hempsey did it too and you could see he stepped back cos he knew it was getting dangerous, didn't see what mckernan did.

All said I love Tyrone the way they play and always have a chip on their shoulder.

On another note mcshanes free taking, he took an average of 40 sec to kick frees from the 21 while Tyrone where 6+ down, rock or Shea would be a bit quicker doing that when down

Sam to stay in Ulster this year that's for sure

Sportsfanatic90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 213 - 06/02/2022 19:56:38    2398689

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I don't believe the GAA are out to nail Tyrone. Individual referees will usually do their own thing and while Geogh used to be one of our better ones I think he's not as good as he was and sometimes tends to be a bit over-dramatic. I also suspect that he's not too fond of Tyrone but maybe I'm wrong.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 545 - 06/02/2022 20:07:06    2398700

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Gough is by far the best ref in the country and makes very few mistakes.

giveitlong (Galway) - Posts: 1225 - 06/02/2022 20:20:27    2398707

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Replying To sean og:  "Why would the GAA be out to nail Tyrone?"
Nobody's out to nail Tyrone, as for the 5 red cards, it should have been 20 or none. Both the Armagh and Tyrone players red cards will be overturned. Gough got a lot of frees wrong on both sides .

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 06/02/2022 20:23:52    2398711

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Didn't look to be any punches thrown in the melee. Peter Harte was reckless with the headlock.

Conor Meyler could have been sent off a while after the row.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 06/02/2022 20:24:59    2398713

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Not sure they are out to "nail" Tyrone but Gough clearly got it wrong. Never ever was that 4 reds. It will be overturned and Gough will look the fool."
Agree 100%

Fkd12 (Louth) - Posts: 150 - 06/02/2022 20:28:32    2398716

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Not sure they are out to "nail" Tyrone but Gough clearly got it wrong. Never ever was that 4 reds. It will be overturned and Gough will look the fool."
Agree 100%

Fkd12 (Louth) - Posts: 150 - 06/02/2022 20:28:45    2398717

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Replying To essmac:  "On a wider point, Tyrone has form in being woeful the year after they win it. Obviously, 04 was a tragic once-off, but in 05 and 08, Tyrone played very good football - but in each of the following years, they weren't even competitive - they were unacceptably poor. That could be playing out again.

You're right of course about those cards today - complete over-reaction. But yeah, there is a lot of smiles-through-gritted-teeth about Tyrone's win last year - they are seen as having spoiled the Mayo party, the nation's favourite, and that impertinence will not be quickly or easily forgiven. You can take it as read that Tyrone will be on the wrong side of a lot of iffy refereeing calls this year. Last weekend's performance by the man in black was a joke - the last minute winning score by Tyrone had gone over the bar well before the Tyrone forward collided with the Monaghan goalie. Brendan Crossan in the Belfast Irish News has no connections with Tyrone, and is primarily a soccer man; but he is an experienced all-round sports journalist who also understand GAA very well, and he was very scathing about last weekend's ref's obvious bias - as he put it, "the lack of consistency was alarming".

Although it will not make much difference - nowadays, you need a strong bench, and Tyrone are obviously having problems keeping people in the squad, even when those same impact subs are very much needed, and in the modern game, play a massive role. That weakened bench, plus Tyrone's by now habitual slackness in the year after they win, plus the inevitable fussy reffing, will ensure that this will be a short year for Tyrone."
I was delighted for Tyrone last year, I don't think Mayo have as much neutral support as people think.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1914 - 06/02/2022 20:32:44    2398718

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Replying To sean og:  "Why would the GAA be out to nail Tyrone?"
Paranoia

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 06/02/2022 20:33:48    2398719

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Row was handbags. Armagh are a tasty little outfit aren't they!!?

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 06/02/2022 20:41:09    2398721

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Observed 4 things, Armagh men going down for no reason near the end when Tyrone had their tails up, Mc Shane taking forever to tap over frees, Tyrone playing into Armagh's usual tactic's of rowing and scuffling and Ref lost control.

Neartheborder (Derry) - Posts: 56 - 06/02/2022 20:53:30    2398728

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Replying To essmac:  "For beating Mayo in the year when Mayo beat Dublin, and spoiling the nation's party. And we're generally not liked anyway! Great performance by Armagh btw, hope you keep it going and win it -no reason why not, all about belief."
Did it ever cross your mind that maybe people might not appreciate the "everyone is against us" and "the refs are out to get Tyrone" drivel ye go on with????
Do ye seriously believe that the GAA hold secret meetings in the hot press under Croke Park to figure out a way to hold ye back???
Ye usually do that yerselves.
I've simply given up feeling bad for Mayo.
They just need to man up and win one, simple as that.
Tyrone won the All Ireland last year because they deserved it.

StopTheLights (Galway) - Posts: 343 - 06/02/2022 21:18:40    2398743

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if this is worth five red cards I'd hate to see him ref a junior b club game between neighbouring parishes

Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 06/02/2022 22:04:50    2398762

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