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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Rockies, All I am saying that if DF had stayed with Limerick he would have three All Ireland Medals by now and possibly four as he just might have made that extra of difference against KK in '19 after all he was by far and away the best Cork player for Cork, when they lost the Semi Final in '18. Well you must agree Cork have had an awful of outside players over the years as well as Dublin. In '45 for example they had Mick Tubridy of Clare, Caleb Crone of Dublin, Con McGrath of Galway and Jim Cronin of Kerry. In '89 and'90 they had Fahy and Thompkins from Kildare. I have a question for you and other Cork men. This is all at Senior Level. While Cork were winning three All Irelands in row, this man was involved in a Senior Final each year, but he never wore a Cork jersey. He was an iconic player. Who is he."
Nick O' Donnell played for Kilkenny and Wexford. Born in Graiguenamanagh!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/03/2022 20:54:37    2407556

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "BTW, on a point of order, Kieran Carey was a Laois man."
Right! Debatable whether he played hurling or not sometimes! Hell's Kitchen member and very successful!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/03/2022 20:59:51    2407558

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "And if I may so at its very finest."
Ball hopping. Let's get it right! Ball hoping doesn't make sense!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/03/2022 21:00:47    2407559

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Replying To Bon:  "Two absolutely pointless red cards to give away. Completely needless by both players.
Austin Gleeson is his own worst enemy. No referee would ever give him the benefit of the doubt.
Why can't he just be big enough and walk away from niggly stuff? Massive loss for the final now."
Well Bon I make no excuses or sympathy for him. However I would like to see consistency. These jabs are okay in the getting to know you before a game starts, with the officials looking on. Also the useless camera shows what he did but not the slap on the elbow that made him retaliate. When the ref came and asked the umpire did he see a striking action he confirmed and Gleeson had to go. What about if he brought it to the refs attention that Gleeson got hit would there be a retaliation. Of course he will say he saw nothing. Everyone knows Gleeson will respond and what I seen going on in the league trying to get him put off this year is a disgrace. In Antrim it was off the charts. It is asked why would he do this with the game over but you can also say this of the Wexford lad. What saddens me most that this is twice by a Wexford player. DeBurca in 2017 red carded for helmet interference because Gleeson had done it several times. I often rerun than one. It is kinda laughable. The lines man is looking back the way behind the play but responds to the gig the player does when his unstrapped helmet gets knocked off.
However I will agree Austin needs to take one for the team and not be so selfish. Incidentally it should never be about the benefit of the doubt because that is bias before you start.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 27/03/2022 21:15:48    2407567

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Replying To updwell:  "No begrudgery just ball hoping."
Spellcheck! Check before you post! Ball hopping not ball hoping!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/03/2022 21:16:00    2407568

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Replying To Rockies:  "Don't forget Johnny Quirke from Kerry . Maybe before your time though!"
Yes. I remember JQ well. He had a special seat in the old Bar in Pairc UI Caoimh and of course John O'Grady, a Kerry man also, who transferred to Cork only I think he never played with them
. Martin Geary from Milford, played with Limerick and Waterford and his son Niall came full circle as a Waterford man who played football with Cork

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4467 - 27/03/2022 21:30:35    2407580

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Good weekend for the rebels. National league final and stayed in division 2 in football. We'll be jousting with the likes of Dublin, Limerick, Kildare and Louth next year as well as competing for Sam . We escaped the drop by skin of our teeth. Looking forward to hurling league final. Should be a cracker as both teams will look to maintain momentum. Disappointed that Gleeson is not playing. He's a star player…. Possibly can appeal the red card!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/03/2022 21:36:08    2407584

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Replying To Rockies:  "Spellcheck! Check before you post! Ball hopping not ball hoping!"
Your right, thanks for that. I got it the first time.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 27/03/2022 21:42:33    2407588

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Replying To Canuck:  "Well Bon I make no excuses or sympathy for him. However I would like to see consistency. These jabs are okay in the getting to know you before a game starts, with the officials looking on. Also the useless camera shows what he did but not the slap on the elbow that made him retaliate. When the ref came and asked the umpire did he see a striking action he confirmed and Gleeson had to go. What about if he brought it to the refs attention that Gleeson got hit would there be a retaliation. Of course he will say he saw nothing. Everyone knows Gleeson will respond and what I seen going on in the league trying to get him put off this year is a disgrace. In Antrim it was off the charts. It is asked why would he do this with the game over but you can also say this of the Wexford lad. What saddens me most that this is twice by a Wexford player. DeBurca in 2017 red carded for helmet interference because Gleeson had done it several times. I often rerun than one. It is kinda laughable. The lines man is looking back the way behind the play but responds to the gig the player does when his unstrapped helmet gets knocked off.
However I will agree Austin needs to take one for the team and not be so selfish. Incidentally it should never be about the benefit of the doubt because that is bias before you start."
Totally agree it should never be about benefit of the doubt, what I mean is that all these incidents add up and a player can (wrongly) find themselves on the wrong end of not so sympathetic referees who've had enough of it. Especially as a guy who is so easily wound up he needs to be careful. Same as John Mullane, Graham Geraghty, Diarmuid Connolly. Absolute stars in their sports but guys who were never 100 miles away from some sort of controversy. It seems to go hand in hand with genius. That said referees and officials need to do more I believe to protect guys like these from opposition player tactics.
Then the Wexford defender sold it to the umpire with his theatrics, and he umpire bought it as a strike with the hurl.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 27/03/2022 21:48:59    2407591

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Replying To Rockies:  "Nick O' Donnell played for Kilkenny and Wexford. Born in Graiguenamanagh!"
Oliver Gough also from Graiguenamanagh won all Ireland senior with Wexford 1955,56 and with Kilkenny in 1963. Freedom to move around in those days!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/03/2022 21:49:52    2407592

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Very dumb "TIME" to get a red card. I mean the game was out of reach. It was over as a contest. Pure stupidity. I hope he wins his appeal as I like to see full strength teams play each other but he's to blame if he can't play. Sigh.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2263 - 27/03/2022 21:50:10    2407593

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Replying To Rockies:  "Cork vs Waterford .. this coming Saturday at 7.15 pm. Sample Stadium!"
I believe it's Semple stadium Rockies. Spellchecker maybe?

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 27/03/2022 21:50:17    2407594

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Replying To Rockies:  "Good weekend for the rebels. National league final and stayed in division 2 in football. We'll be jousting with the likes of Dublin, Limerick, Kildare and Louth next year as well as competing for Sam . We escaped the drop by skin of our teeth. Looking forward to hurling league final. Should be a cracker as both teams will look to maintain momentum. Disappointed that Gleeson is not playing. He's a star player…. Possibly can appeal the red card!"
Do you expect both teams to go full strength or will there be a bit of holding your hand going on? I expect cahill might be inclined to sit out a few but i see cork going all out.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 27/03/2022 21:52:16    2407597

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Replying To daveboy:  "Do you expect both teams to go full strength or will there be a bit of holding your hand going on? I expect cahill might be inclined to sit out a few but i see cork going all out."
I expect both teams to go full tilt. It's a league final and both teams want to build momentum! Cork still can do some experimenting, before settling on a team!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/03/2022 21:57:51    2407600

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Canuck I've mentioned about officials and there job on match days..I've seen the stuff forwards are putting up with and it's beyond me how the boys doing umpire see nothing..I know everyone says players shouldn't react but some players do,we have the problem in limerick..opposition know who to get at..how many times were McDonald and o Connor fouled today and no free given?also a ball waved wide with umpire not in proper place to see it,no goal scored..pa Curran looked as if he took ball over sideline leading to a goal..reffing today completely different to last night..I dread what will come in championship..one final question was there any hand pass penalized today??

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2380 - 27/03/2022 21:59:48    2407603

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Replying To updwell:  "I believe it's Semple stadium Rockies. Spellchecker maybe?"
Ha ha. Semple stadium yes. We've been there often enough. …. Just a typo… whereas "ball hoping" I have seen repeatedly on this site ! Another one is "loosing " rather than "losing". Hogan stand may need me to correct spelling errors. Ha!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/03/2022 22:03:07    2407605

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Replying To Canuck:  "Well Bon I make no excuses or sympathy for him. However I would like to see consistency. These jabs are okay in the getting to know you before a game starts, with the officials looking on. Also the useless camera shows what he did but not the slap on the elbow that made him retaliate. When the ref came and asked the umpire did he see a striking action he confirmed and Gleeson had to go. What about if he brought it to the refs attention that Gleeson got hit would there be a retaliation. Of course he will say he saw nothing. Everyone knows Gleeson will respond and what I seen going on in the league trying to get him put off this year is a disgrace. In Antrim it was off the charts. It is asked why would he do this with the game over but you can also say this of the Wexford lad. What saddens me most that this is twice by a Wexford player. DeBurca in 2017 red carded for helmet interference because Gleeson had done it several times. I often rerun than one. It is kinda laughable. The lines man is looking back the way behind the play but responds to the gig the player does when his unstrapped helmet gets knocked off.
However I will agree Austin needs to take one for the team and not be so selfish. Incidentally it should never be about the benefit of the doubt because that is bias before you start."
With Gleeson though its almost always him instigating it rather than responding to anything so I've zero sympathy for him. Cahill was fit to kill him yesterday and rightly so. He was as good as I seen him in a long time yesterday. If he feels he has to react to something like when 18 points up that then theres no hope he will ever learn.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/03/2022 08:50:44    2407617

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Canuck I've mentioned about officials and there job on match days..I've seen the stuff forwards are putting up with and it's beyond me how the boys doing umpire see nothing..I know everyone says players shouldn't react but some players do,we have the problem in limerick..opposition know who to get at..how many times were McDonald and o Connor fouled today and no free given?also a ball waved wide with umpire not in proper place to see it,no goal scored..pa Curran looked as if he took ball over sideline leading to a goal..reffing today completely different to last night..I dread what will come in championship..one final question was there any hand pass penalized today??"
My god people do not want umpires replaced with technology for scores ? One shot on that end came in at an angle but went straight over the black spot and waved wide. I believe at least one other Waterford ball and maybe two were waved wide at the other end that were scores. The ball over the end line he could see and you can not trust t.v. camera angle on this even thought looked like he made an arc with his hand and kept it in. Again it looked like Patrick took the ball over the side line but hard to tell. What an effort by him though.
It so simple. If the shot is coming in from the right hand side the left hand umpire needs to move along the line taking a step towards the field. The right hand umpire needs to move to the right and back in line with the pole. That is how you know if it went inside both posts.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 28/03/2022 14:50:21    2407785

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Replying To tiobraid:  "With Gleeson though its almost always him instigating it rather than responding to anything so I've zero sympathy for him. Cahill was fit to kill him yesterday and rightly so. He was as good as I seen him in a long time yesterday. If he feels he has to react to something like when 18 points up that then theres no hope he will ever learn."
Did the Wexford lad have to react that way 18 points behind ? Have you ever taken a belt on the elbow and know how it feels? All this league he has been singled out for treatment and that is just wrong. I am mad at him also and wish he would not retaliate and put himself and the team in that situation. Would not argue with the red card because the rules are the rules but how many times a game do players get away with this type of poke. It was minor to say the least and Simon knew damn well he over reacted and tried to correct that. I believe John McGrath's red has been rescinded. Don't know if that is correct. Your an honest guy. Would that be fair if this one is not ?

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 28/03/2022 15:05:23    2407790

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Replying To tiobraid:  "With Gleeson though its almost always him instigating it rather than responding to anything so I've zero sympathy for him. Cahill was fit to kill him yesterday and rightly so. He was as good as I seen him in a long time yesterday. If he feels he has to react to something like when 18 points up that then theres no hope he will ever learn."
Did the Wexford lad have to react that way 18 points behind ? Have you ever taken a belt on the elbow and know how it feels? All this league he has been singled out for treatment and that is just wrong. I am mad at him also and wish he would not retaliate and put himself and the team in that situation. Would not argue with the red card because the rules are the rules but how many times a game do players get away with this type of poke. It was minor to say the least and Simon knew damn well he over reacted and tried to correct that. I believe John McGrath's red has been rescinded. Don't know if that is correct. Your an honest guy. Would that be fair if this one is not ?

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 28/03/2022 15:26:58    2407796

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