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Replying To tiobraid:  "As it has always been and its not near the level it used to be or what it is in club hurling. I dont think its a major issue at all in inter county hurling to be honest. Brain dead reactions are not the way to solve the issue in hand. Every defender in every contact sport in the world will have a few tricks up his sleeve."
I agree with you tiobraid 100% it's always been going on and it's stupid out of players to react- I can say that in the cold light of day but if your in the middle of a high intensity game with the crowd shouting in at you and this pest pinching you or pulling your hair or digging you with the hurley, I know what I would probably do. I don't have any problem with the fella annoying a player but my issue is with the 7 or 8 officials around the pitch turning a blind eye to it and only getting involved when the player getting the abuse has reacted. If the officials cut out the nonsense from the antagoniser in the first place there won't be a reaction. It would also help if the media watching the game pointed out the failure of officials rather than the usual ' player A struck player B and he went down and player A got sent off'. There is usually a lot more going on in the build up to these incidents. I think it's got to the stage now where players getting digs off the ball should just lie down to get the refs attention so he knows to keep a closer eye on the players involved before the man getting the belt reacts.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 29/03/2022 16:55:39    2408193

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "With modern technology and cameras and mikes everywhere, you'd think
that it'd be quite easy for refs, linesmen and umpires (over here the umpire is the referee) to all be able to communicate with each other; not just them to the ref, but linesmen to umpires and vice-versa. It'd make sense as hurling is so fast.

'Live by the sword, die by the sword'! I don't have much sympathy for Gleason, and less as it was silly how he did it. Okay, you say that he gets it dished out to him all over! Possibly! I dunno, as I don't be at the games.

However, I remember often being in Ireland back in the 70's and 80's, and I saw first hand the treatment that was dished out to the likes of Ray Cummins, Tony Doran, and Joe McKenna. The Tipp backs broke McKenna's ribs one day (replay in '81) and it was only a few days after the game that it was made known that a broken rib had punctured McKenna's lung. That's wrong; totally wrong. You'd be in court over here if you did the likes of that. But they were big strong men, and expected to take it and be able to defend themselves; a terrible, terrible Irish attitude.

With modern technology, what happened to the likes of McKenna should never happen in the modern age. However, I don't think that it's a technology issue. I think that it's a mind-set issue. It's a coward, not a hard man that draws a stroke off the ball. Parochial attitudes still try and defend the indefensible.

I'm quite glad that Waterford didn't try to defend the indefensible by appealing Gleason's red-card. I hope they get the rub of the green going forward, for having done the right thing."
True for sure. In my opinion it is a coward who throws a hurley at a goalie as he is about to hit the ball. Then you have clowns on here saying it would not hurt in that vulnerable position. Or it did not hit. It is intent to injure and the penalty should be much greater.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 29/03/2022 17:23:01    2408203

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the worse sending off was the dangerous hit shane kingston on sean finn who ended up in hospital only got a one match ban austin gleeson also gets a one match ban for slight tip of a hurley thats surely not fair, is it sending out a message as the saying goes if your going to be sent off make sure u take him out of the game aswell

leftback (Limerick) - Posts: 65 - 29/03/2022 18:02:59    2408207

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "With modern technology and cameras and mikes everywhere, you'd think
that it'd be quite easy for refs, linesmen and umpires (over here the umpire is the referee) to all be able to communicate with each other; not just them to the ref, but linesmen to umpires and vice-versa. It'd make sense as hurling is so fast.

'Live by the sword, die by the sword'! I don't have much sympathy for Gleason, and less as it was silly how he did it. Okay, you say that he gets it dished out to him all over! Possibly! I dunno, as I don't be at the games.

However, I remember often being in Ireland back in the 70's and 80's, and I saw first hand the treatment that was dished out to the likes of Ray Cummins, Tony Doran, and Joe McKenna. The Tipp backs broke McKenna's ribs one day (replay in '81) and it was only a few days after the game that it was made known that a broken rib had punctured McKenna's lung. That's wrong; totally wrong. You'd be in court over here if you did the likes of that. But they were big strong men, and expected to take it and be able to defend themselves; a terrible, terrible Irish attitude.

With modern technology, what happened to the likes of McKenna should never happen in the modern age. However, I don't think that it's a technology issue. I think that it's a mind-set issue. It's a coward, not a hard man that draws a stroke off the ball. Parochial attitudes still try and defend the indefensible.

I'm quite glad that Waterford didn't try to defend the indefensible by appealing Gleason's red-card. I hope they get the rub of the green going forward, for having done the right thing."
Actually McKenna's ribs were broken in the Semi Final V Cork in '84. It was a sneaky dirty tackle all right, but Tipp were not the culprits in this case. I, like you, find it admirable that Waterford did not appeal this suspension or that of Mullane in '04. This is why I always have a special for Waterford hurling people.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4467 - 29/03/2022 18:19:28    2408212

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Replying To Rockies:  "Oliver Gough also from Graiguenamanagh won all Ireland senior with Wexford 1955,56 and with Kilkenny in 1963. Freedom to move around in those days!"
And Seamus Quaid (RIP) of Feoghanagh won a medal with Wexford in '60, but of course he came back to play with Limerick, even though he was still living in Wexford. Tim Russell from Doneraile also played with them, Mick Morrissey from St Mullins in Carlow played with Wexford and his brother Moling played with Laois. Ned Wheeler was born in Laois and spent most of his youth in Kilkenny, while Sean Power of Waterford, a brother of Ned, the famous Decies goal keeper, was on the Wexford panel in 1960. Martin and Pat Doherty, who played with Cork, were Limerick men and Brian Flannery a Tipp man lined out with Waterford.
Nick O'Donnell was an interesting case. He was a sub on the 1947 Kikenny All Ireland winning team, but a dispute arose and he did not get the medal. He was not best pleased and having got work in Wexford declared for them. He quickly started to backbone the defence of the rising Model County side of the day. Kilkenny started to have about thoughts about the bould Nicholas and emissaries were sent to forth to him to impart the glad tidings that after all he could join the Kilkenny panel. Nick told them they badly needed a trip to the Latrine if they, even for one minute, entertained the notion that he would ever again consider wearing a Black and Amber Jersey, after the way he had been treated in '47.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4467 - 29/03/2022 18:43:09    2408219

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Actually McKenna's ribs were broken in the Semi Final V Cork in '84. It was a sneaky dirty tackle all right, but Tipp were not the culprits in this case. I, like you, find it admirable that Waterford did not appeal this suspension or that of Mullane in '04. This is why I always have a special for Waterford hurling people."
They are proper hurling men for sure.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 30/03/2022 11:42:52    2408305

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Replying To Canuck:  "True for sure. In my opinion it is a coward who throws a hurley at a goalie as he is about to hit the ball. Then you have clowns on here saying it would not hurt in that vulnerable position. Or it did not hit. It is intent to injure and the penalty should be much greater."
He didnt throw the hurl at the keeper. He threw it in front of him to block the clearance Canuck. Look at it again. Either way it was stupid and the ref by the letter of the rules gave him a yellow card. So he got sent off. Like Gleeson Jacko is a hot head.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 30/03/2022 11:45:32    2408306

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Replying To leftback:  "the worse sending off was the dangerous hit shane kingston on sean finn who ended up in hospital only got a one match ban austin gleeson also gets a one match ban for slight tip of a hurley thats surely not fair, is it sending out a message as the saying goes if your going to be sent off make sure u take him out of the game aswell"
Kingstons hit on Finn was the worst I've seen in a long time.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 30/03/2022 12:08:32    2408314

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Replying To Viking66:  "Kingstons hit on Finn was the worst I've seen in a long time."
Premeditated and cowardly act. Deserved months of a suspension but limerick will use it come easter Sunday. AI champions tend not to need much added motivation but that'll do nicely for first game I'd imagine.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 30/03/2022 12:21:17    2408320

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Actually McKenna's ribs were broken in the Semi Final V Cork in '84. It was a sneaky dirty tackle all right, but Tipp were not the culprits in this case. I, like you, find it admirable that Waterford did not appeal this suspension or that of Mullane in '04. This is why I always have a special for Waterford hurling people."
Well, it wasn't for the want of trying and short-handled digs anyway by the Tipp backs in '81. McKenna had blown Tipp apart in the drawn game.

I wasn't in Ireland in 1984. But I suspect that you're right about it being a thug from Cork that did it, and not one from Tipperary!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2096 - 30/03/2022 12:51:08    2408329

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Replying To Canuck:  "True for sure. In my opinion it is a coward who throws a hurley at a goalie as he is about to hit the ball. Then you have clowns on here saying it would not hurt in that vulnerable position. Or it did not hit. It is intent to injure and the penalty should be much greater."
You honestly think that a hurl thrown at that pace could hurt someone very much? You've become savage bitter on here the past 6 months. Whats going on with you?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 30/03/2022 13:37:55    2408359

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Replying To daveboy:  "Premeditated and cowardly act. Deserved months of a suspension but limerick will use it come easter Sunday. AI champions tend not to need much added motivation but that'll do nicely for first game I'd imagine."
I think he wanted to bury Finn with a big hit which might have been premediated but it was likely an unfortunate coincidence that Finn moved his head down at that time. I doubt he went out with a plan to hit someone the way he did but he was so wound up he wasnt pulling out of it. I can relate to it because I done something similiar in the past. I'm not saying it was right tho and he was lucky to not get a long ban but I dont think he went out with a specific plan to hurt him with an unfair tackle in the way he did.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 30/03/2022 13:41:50    2408360

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I think he wanted to bury Finn with a big hit which might have been premediated but it was likely an unfortunate coincidence that Finn moved his head down at that time. I doubt he went out with a plan to hit someone the way he did but he was so wound up he wasnt pulling out of it. I can relate to it because I done something similiar in the past. I'm not saying it was right tho and he was lucky to not get a long ban but I dont think he went out with a specific plan to hurt him with an unfair tackle in the way he did."
Only he knows but for me it was a jaw breaker. Finn was hospitalised and missed 12 days out resting/recuperating.. He went to hurt him. And did. A brief mention on the Sunday game. Nothing more. If the GAA were serious on protecting the players that was your textbook example to show it and issue a lengthy ban. My opinion is he went in to do him and succeeded.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 30/03/2022 13:51:20    2408363

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Replying To daveboy:  "Only he knows but for me it was a jaw breaker. Finn was hospitalised and missed 12 days out resting/recuperating.. He went to hurt him. And did. A brief mention on the Sunday game. Nothing more. If the GAA were serious on protecting the players that was your textbook example to show it and issue a lengthy ban. My opinion is he went in to do him and succeeded."
It was bad, really bad. Probably the only redeeming aspect is that it wasn't an open blow with a dirty hurley.

Sean Foley, Damien Byrne, Eamonn Cleary, the Turloughmore thug who took out Eanna Ryan, the Dunne fella from Tipp… come to my mind as fellas who have done worse stuff!

What's the worst blow that any of y'all has ever seen in a hurling game?

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2096 - 30/03/2022 14:38:42    2408383

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Replying To tiobraid:  "You honestly think that a hurl thrown at that pace could hurt someone very much? You've become savage bitter on here the past 6 months. Whats going on with you?"
"That pace " so now you have giving it another twist. He measured the speed as he was throwing it ? You don't seem to get it. He threw the hurley with intent to hit. Probably regrets it also. My cousin had teeth knocked out and his lip stitched when hit by a thrown hurley. Anyway lets move on there will be plenty incidents that require red cards like Sunday and also embellishment as that is the new type of unsportsmanship.
I am never bitter just express my honest opinion on issues unbiased against county or player. Neither do I think players who are red carded are bad people or look for reasons to vilify them every other day they play. I have called out Waterford players as often as anyone else. Wrong probably as often as you and everyone else. Spent time around Moycarkey hurling, Limerick city, ancestory on the borders of Cork, played with Wexford lads and raised my family in Kilkenny for 15 years giving me a great appreciation for those who play our games.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 30/03/2022 15:06:28    2408396

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Replying To daveboy:  "Only he knows but for me it was a jaw breaker. Finn was hospitalised and missed 12 days out resting/recuperating.. He went to hurt him. And did. A brief mention on the Sunday game. Nothing more. If the GAA were serious on protecting the players that was your textbook example to show it and issue a lengthy ban. My opinion is he went in to do him and succeeded."
I mostly agree with you and I think I was the first on this forum to say it was one of the worst tackles i've seen in a very long time. I

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 30/03/2022 15:12:36    2408399

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Actually McKenna's ribs were broken in the Semi Final V Cork in '84. It was a sneaky dirty tackle all right, but Tipp were not the culprits in this case. I, like you, find it admirable that Waterford did not appeal this suspension or that of Mullane in '04. This is why I always have a special for Waterford hurling people."
Yes Oldtourman but like current Limerick players the best players are vilified personally to try and offset their ability. I lived five minutes from the Mullinavat pitch and was one of the 20 spectators where Mullane was supposed to have pulled a dirty stroke. There was a player hit in the privates but not they way the guys in the pub spread vitriol and it then went all over the place like gospel. Everyone were an expert on it.
The decision on the appeal from a county official neighbour was that Gleeson's poke was a minor strike as these similar incidents go but under the rules once called a red card. The appeal would fail because if O' Donahue supported it, he would be asked was he faking injury and that would be the end of it.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 30/03/2022 15:36:40    2408409

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I mostly agree with you and I think I was the first on this forum to say it was one of the worst tackles i've seen in a very long time. I"
You absolutely were. Nearly all the points you make are spot on in fact and I find I agree with you a lot. I can see where you are coming from here to a point.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 30/03/2022 15:52:13    2408424

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Replying To Canuck:  ""That pace " so now you have giving it another twist. He measured the speed as he was throwing it ? You don't seem to get it. He threw the hurley with intent to hit. Probably regrets it also. My cousin had teeth knocked out and his lip stitched when hit by a thrown hurley. Anyway lets move on there will be plenty incidents that require red cards like Sunday and also embellishment as that is the new type of unsportsmanship.
I am never bitter just express my honest opinion on issues unbiased against county or player. Neither do I think players who are red carded are bad people or look for reasons to vilify them every other day they play. I have called out Waterford players as often as anyone else. Wrong probably as often as you and everyone else. Spent time around Moycarkey hurling, Limerick city, ancestory on the borders of Cork, played with Wexford lads and raised my family in Kilkenny for 15 years giving me a great appreciation for those who play our games."
Thats fair enough. I see your points but we will leave this debate at that for now! Looking forward to a cracking league final now - even if I do think it'll play into Limericks hands more than anyone elses in a lot of ways.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 30/03/2022 16:11:59    2408437

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Thats fair enough. I see your points but we will leave this debate at that for now! Looking forward to a cracking league final now - even if I do think it'll play into Limericks hands more than anyone elses in a lot of ways."
You are another one of those poster a pleasure to engage.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 30/03/2022 16:30:21    2408448

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