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My god people do not want umpires replaced with technology for scores ? One shot on that end came in at an angle but went straight over the black spot and waved wide. I believe at least one other Waterford ball and maybe two were waved wide at the other end that were scores. The ball over the end line he could see and you can not trust t.v. camera angle on this even thought looked like he made an arc with his hand and kept it in. Again it looked like Patrick took the ball over the side line but hard to tell. What an effort by him though. It so simple. If the shot is coming in from the right hand side the left hand umpire needs to move along the line taking a step towards the field. The right hand umpire needs to move to the right and back in line with the pole. That is how you know if it went inside both posts. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 28/03/2022 15:27:17 2407797 Link 0 |
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How could either umpire see if that ball Rory scooped back went over the line from where they were standing?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 28/03/2022 18:04:42 2407857 Link 0 |
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Agree Canuck it was stupid out of Jacko to throw the hurl. But equally it was a stonewall penalty by the rules of the game. The defender marking him had both arms around him and made no attempt to play the ball when it came in.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 28/03/2022 18:07:52 2407860 Link 0 |
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Ah sure they're doing their best..
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 28/03/2022 20:14:41 2407880 Link 0 |
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We've seen this with Gillane for about 3 years now Literally hanging out of him. It must be incredibly frustrating for these young lads to be treated like this and expected to hold their cool at all times. Until they start giving pens and yellow cards it'll continue. daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 28/03/2022 20:45:40 2407887 Link 0 |
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Same thing happened to Gillane in Ennis when he got the line but I didn't hear Wexford people defending him that day. Your 100% right it should have been a penalty.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 28/03/2022 21:52:13 2407913 Link 0 |
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I have got a fairly bad pull across the elbow yes but someone thrwoing a hurl at you like that will not hurt very much so youre being ridiculous. A yellow was correct. I've always considered it very cowardly when someone puts the hurl anywhere close to a mans private area - connecting or not. I've less ssue with a lot hitting a lad a proper punch! Theres nothing manly about what Glesson done. Cowardly and stupid.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 29/03/2022 08:38:43 2407922 Link 1 |
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They should give penalties and yellow cards Daveboy if no attempt is made to play the ball.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 29/03/2022 09:29:02 2407934 Link 1 |
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Think everyone even Larry thought it should've been a penalty in Ennis. But Jacko and Gillane still shouldn't have reacted the way they did was most posters point. The refs and umpires need to have a good look at themselves because at the end of the day it's up to them to enforce the rules. As another poster said it must be very frustrating for the forwards as its frustrating enough for us spectators.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 29/03/2022 09:33:05 2407935 Link 0 |
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Agreed. Totally different situation to the Gillane in Ennis and Jacko sending offs. Donohue didnt foul Gleeson and get away with it- the ball was already dead.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 29/03/2022 09:35:45 2407936 Link 0 |
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That has been a lot of Limerick posters point here about officials ignoring the messing off the ball and the initial foul which goes unpunished before someone reacts to it and subsequently gets a card. The sneaky instigator is lauded while the red blooded reaction is criticised.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 29/03/2022 10:06:57 2407960 Link 1 |
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This is exaclty the point I've been trying to make on here for a while. When you are being held by the neck and punched in the back prior to a ball coming into you and after repeatedly pleading to the officials nearest you (umpires) without any joy what is expected of you? When this is repeated throughout a game without any recognition it must be very hard to keep your cool. Once or twice you can absorb but when it happens constantly it must be very difficult. It's not whataboutery its just not sport. Hopefully we'll start to see this eradicated. Penalties, yellow cards, sin bins will sort it very quickly. Is it time for referees to be used as umpires or train the cohort of umpires up in the rules. Everyone wants to see the star players allowed to play and not be intimidated, provoked or backed into corners daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 29/03/2022 10:45:28 2407992 Link 1 |
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Daveboy I've mentioned a long time ago about the exact job of umpires..if it's only to judge on wide balls and scores let everyone know..I thought at least one umpire at either end was wired up to let refs know what is going on..when was last time an umpire warned a ref about the carryon of backs..usually a ref then warns both defender and forward,a complete easy way out..if refs penalize a few defenders then just maybe forwards can get on with what they are suppose to do.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2380 - 29/03/2022 11:02:43 2408005 Link 0 |
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With modern technology and cameras and mikes everywhere, you'd think that it'd be quite easy for refs, linesmen and umpires (over here the umpire is the referee) to all be able to communicate with each other; not just them to the ref, but linesmen to umpires and vice-versa. It'd make sense as hurling is so fast. 'Live by the sword, die by the sword'! I don't have much sympathy for Gleason, and less as it was silly how he did it. Okay, you say that he gets it dished out to him all over! Possibly! I dunno, as I don't be at the games. However, I remember often being in Ireland back in the 70's and 80's, and I saw first hand the treatment that was dished out to the likes of Ray Cummins, Tony Doran, and Joe McKenna. The Tipp backs broke McKenna's ribs one day (replay in '81) and it was only a few days after the game that it was made known that a broken rib had punctured McKenna's lung. That's wrong; totally wrong. You'd be in court over here if you did the likes of that. But they were big strong men, and expected to take it and be able to defend themselves; a terrible, terrible Irish attitude. With modern technology, what happened to the likes of McKenna should never happen in the modern age. However, I don't think that it's a technology issue. I think that it's a mind-set issue. It's a coward, not a hard man that draws a stroke off the ball. Parochial attitudes still try and defend the indefensible. I'm quite glad that Waterford didn't try to defend the indefensible by appealing Gleason's red-card. I hope they get the rub of the green going forward, for having done the right thing. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2096 - 29/03/2022 14:09:21 2408092 Link 0 |
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As it has always been and its not near the level it used to be or what it is in club hurling. I dont think its a major issue at all in inter county hurling to be honest. Brain dead reactions are not the way to solve the issue in hand. Every defender in every contact sport in the world will have a few tricks up his sleeve.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 29/03/2022 14:18:38 2408098 Link 0 |
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Tricks up the sleeve are fine. Neck grabbing and punching aren't fine. I coach club hurling and it's nowhere near the level of inter County buy that's just what I've seen. I might add context in that it seems more prevalent in the league than championship. The league seems at times to me like a free hit literally to some players. No championship suspensions etc.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 29/03/2022 14:39:57 2408116 Link 0 |
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Viking 66 I do or did not defend Gleeson because he was interfered with and was retaliating. Are you suggesting that the justification for Shaun O'Brien having a hurley thrown at him is because the ref did not call a free ? That is okay ? The suggestion that a thrown hurley can't hurt you is ludicrous. It is actually intent to injure and should carry a heavier penalty than Gleeson got. Gleeson was reactionary and he is paying the price deservedly as the rules are the rules. I will know the rules are consistent when I see every poke of a stick red carded this year. Right? You and everyone else know what Simon's reaction was and that should be dealt with separately but won't. Throwing a hurley is a cowardly thing but I am sure he wish he did not do it. At the end of the day I wish non of these great players did this stuff and we can watch them on the field. That won't be so as it is a fast spontaneous game. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 29/03/2022 14:52:01 2408123 Link 0 |
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I honestly can't say one way or the other. The t.v. camera is not good for this. My opinion not worth much but I think from what I saw his hand went in an arc over the line but he kept the ball in play. I don't have much time for these umpires. They cannot go the simple things never mind judging that a player should be sent off. Again Gleeson got him set sent off.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 29/03/2022 16:34:00 2408181 Link 0 |
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Throwing a Hurley is a yellow card. That's what Jacko got. Jabbing someone in the n#ts? Red card for striking with a hurl so that's what Aussie got. Brushing someone on the elbow? No card so no card given. I've no problem with the ref for any of that. But holding your opponent without making any attempt to play the ball is a foul. And a free. Or a penalty if in the large rectangle. And its never enforced in the penalty area but nearly always when not. That's frustrating. I never said Jacko was right to throw the hurl. Gillane wasnt right when he flailed his about in Ennis. All I said was that if the refs were any good and enforced the rules then Gillane and Jacko wouldn't have been sent off. That's not making excuses for them as they deserved the yellow and red they got. It's just stating a fact. Now it happened repeatedly to Mac and Rory too. No fouls given. But they didnt let it get to them and didnt react so they didnt get booked. Still doesn't change the fact that the ref was a coward. He should enforce the rules regardless of where on the pitch the foul is. That's his fairly well paid job Canuck. And you have posted your frustration at this inconsistency several times over the years yourself.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 29/03/2022 16:43:29 2408186 Link 0 |
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Oh and if you watch back the thrown Hurl incident it's pretty apparent he threw the hurl in front of O Brien to block the clearance, not at him. I know our shooting was way off but I'm pretty sure any of the 29 players on the pitch could hit a fella with a 3 foot long stick when thrown from 3 or 4 yards away if they wanted to Canuck.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 29/03/2022 16:46:56 2408189 Link 0 |