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Replying To 222:  "Reports are that banty is to be offered a three year extension. CB happy to stay in Division 1 financially."
Just hope that's fake news .. enough has been inflicted on us all

stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 154 - 17/06/2022 09:40:42    2425539

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Replying To Monaghan78:  "Couldn't agree more, the Monaghan Twitter and Facebook has turned into QVC channel,
Think it's a very sad to see
Back on the football front , hear a certain ex Armagh footballer currently managing in the county has an interest in the Monaghan job if banty was to leave"
This ex Armagh player is getting a clean fortune from the club on top of the fortune he's getting for media work so there's no way he's going to give both of them gigs up to take over a team in steep decline…

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 347 - 17/06/2022 13:31:32    2425629

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Replying To stoneygrey:  "Just hope that's fake news .. enough has been inflicted on us all"
I think it is fake news. I heard from a reliable source he is going.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 250 - 17/06/2022 13:39:45    2425632

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Replying To stoneygrey:  "Just hope that's fake news .. enough has been inflicted on us all"
If that is true the county board have shown their levels of ambition. Leaving aside the failure in the championship, The Div 1 campaign was certainly nothing to write home about and we were v fortunate to be playing a dublin side on the final day who couldn't have cared less about the league. When I saw the draw last Monday opened up for armagh and Derry to harbour realistic chance to an all ireland final made me realise how short changed we have been by the failings in our inter county set up this season.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1676 - 17/06/2022 19:15:05    2425673

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I have it from a very reliable source that our own Co . Board chairman is indeed reading the Monaghan forum as he has passed comment on some of the topics covered.

With that in mind I thought it would be a great idea to help him do his job.

So, Banty doesn't return for the 2023 season, with the help of God. The next question may be a difficult one..

Who is everyone's replacement of choice?

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 124 - 20/06/2022 09:08:11    2426247

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To add to the above.
Can we keep this as realistic and constructive as possible.
MOR won't be returning, we couldn't afford Jim McGuiness, Jim Gavin etc etc…

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 124 - 20/06/2022 09:41:18    2426257

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "I have it from a very reliable source that our own Co . Board chairman is indeed reading the Monaghan forum as he has passed comment on some of the topics covered.

With that in mind I thought it would be a great idea to help him do his job.

So, Banty doesn't return for the 2023 season, with the help of God. The next question may be a difficult one..

Who is everyone's replacement of choice?"
Next manager should be internal candidate. Someone who has worked with either U20 (or less likely) Minor teams.

There are plenty of good coaches in Monaghan capable of doing a good job.

MrPBoylan (Monaghan) - Posts: 10 - 20/06/2022 10:10:37    2426270

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Replying To MrPBoylan:  "Next manager should be internal candidate. Someone who has worked with either U20 (or less likely) Minor teams.

There are plenty of good coaches in Monaghan capable of doing a good job."
I'd have to agree, the trajectory of the team would tell you we need someone that has a knowledge base on the crop of players coming through from those successful Minor teams.

Pat Spillian passed a comment on Monaghan's inability to bring those players into our senior team on a podcast recently. Over reliant on the senior players and this obsession of staying in Div 1 has meant we have parked the development of our younger players. Any of the crop we did bring in have been ran into the ground and sustained very serious injuries, Jones, Gallagher all needing surgery.
Not to mention the disastrous u20 campaign last year..

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 124 - 20/06/2022 10:22:25    2426275

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Replying To MrPBoylan:  "Next manager should be internal candidate. Someone who has worked with either U20 (or less likely) Minor teams.

There are plenty of good coaches in Monaghan capable of doing a good job."
I wouldn't be against an internal appointment but just for the sake of a debate - The benefit of getting an outsider should be considered. imagine having an all Ireland champion in charge - you would assume there would be a decent level of respect from the squad. someone reasonably local. Id nearly insist the candidate should be a young fresh mind. All that considered would Peter Canavan be a good suggestion? I think i suggested him when Malachy left too and I stand by it.

I have a lot of respect for Vinny Corey too and would like to see him stay involved, maybe not as manager just yet.

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 135 - 20/06/2022 14:36:09    2426399

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "I'd have to agree, the trajectory of the team would tell you we need someone that has a knowledge base on the crop of players coming through from those successful Minor teams.

Pat Spillian passed a comment on Monaghan's inability to bring those players into our senior team on a podcast recently. Over reliant on the senior players and this obsession of staying in Div 1 has meant we have parked the development of our younger players. Any of the crop we did bring in have been ran into the ground and sustained very serious injuries, Jones, Gallagher all needing surgery.
Not to mention the disastrous u20 campaign last year.."
Spillane talked about how monaghan looked a tired side and have looked that way for some time. Pitch invasions at staying in div 1 don't mask fact the team was better going down a div to rebuild. There are some great young players round the panel but they haven't been given a proper go by this management. Jones and Woods should be regular starters by now instead of coming off the bench for example. Mulligan and o Hanlon need to be persuaded back for some badly needed pace. Think Banty genuinely thought he could extract another ulster title from lads in their 30s when reality is whatever most of them were going to do in a monaghan Jersey they have already done.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1676 - 20/06/2022 15:59:44    2426428

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Replying To MalsBalls:  "I wouldn't be against an internal appointment but just for the sake of a debate - The benefit of getting an outsider should be considered. imagine having an all Ireland champion in charge - you would assume there would be a decent level of respect from the squad. someone reasonably local. Id nearly insist the candidate should be a young fresh mind. All that considered would Peter Canavan be a good suggestion? I think i suggested him when Malachy left too and I stand by it.

I have a lot of respect for Vinny Corey too and would like to see him stay involved, maybe not as manager just yet."
There's plenty of All Ireland winners in the country, not many transfer into high quality managers.

I'd be extremely wary of getting an inexperienced manager in just because of his playing profile.

We need to define the role of the position. In my eyes the position is one of a rebuild, this requires a long term approach and mentality. Not necessarily some high profile candidate in to "make his name". That's what we have been dealing with the past 3 years.

If we look at who has been consistently involved at county level over the past 5 or so years that should help identify who would be suitable for the rebuild.

Paul O'Connor
Buggy Malone
Mark Counihan
Andy Callan

Are all Great Monaghan gaa men who would have a excellent knowledge base on what's out there, while also being highly thought of in regards to coaching/management. To be clear, I'm not saying the above is a management team but rather a sum of names that the role would suit.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 124 - 20/06/2022 18:51:53    2426470

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "There's plenty of All Ireland winners in the country, not many transfer into high quality managers.

I'd be extremely wary of getting an inexperienced manager in just because of his playing profile.

We need to define the role of the position. In my eyes the position is one of a rebuild, this requires a long term approach and mentality. Not necessarily some high profile candidate in to "make his name". That's what we have been dealing with the past 3 years.

If we look at who has been consistently involved at county level over the past 5 or so years that should help identify who would be suitable for the rebuild.

Paul O'Connor
Buggy Malone
Mark Counihan
Andy Callan

Are all Great Monaghan gaa men who would have a excellent knowledge base on what's out there, while also being highly thought of in regards to coaching/management. To be clear, I'm not saying the above is a management team but rather a sum of names that the role would suit."
A lot of good promising coaches in that list and I am sure we will see some of them managing and coaching our county team in the years to come.

In essence we need someone who is a born winner, lets be honest, Banty isnt and that is a fact given his record with county teams. We need someone with a professional attitude and who can carry themselves with dignity and doeskin go running after referees at the end of the game or have selectors have words with referees at half time in games.

My preference would be someone like Mick Bohan, the 2 mc entee brothers, Stephen Rochford or the scotstown management team atm with colin Mc aree. All these have professional attitudes and have experience coaching on the big days and making big decisions in high pressure games. One of the candidates coupled with some of the names in the poster above would be the perfect blend, allowing us to have an outsider but then have our own men in the background. This isn't really a rebuild, its more of a job of getting the best out of the players we have. We have outstanding young players there and believe it or not we have a spine of youth at the heart of our team at present, its just about bringing the right man in to get all the simple things right.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 286 - 21/06/2022 10:36:39    2426524

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Replying To stoneygrey:  "Just hope that's fake news .. enough has been inflicted on us all"
Agreed
If the county board are so keen to keep banty , give him the county chairman job , he can bring in all the big money investment ect , still very much be part of it , and Monaghan get a new manger

Monaghan78 (Monaghan) - Posts: 11 - 21/06/2022 16:38:22    2426702

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Replying To Monaghan78:  "Agreed
If the county board are so keen to keep banty , give him the county chairman job , he can bring in all the big money investment ect , still very much be part of it , and Monaghan get a new manger"
County chairmans dont get on de telly or the papers sure isnt that the whole point

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 802 - 22/06/2022 10:44:36    2426789

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"or the scotstown management team atm with colin Mc aree"

Colin is doing a great job with Scotstown within the county. (Glen tore them apart in Ulster though). However if you look at the last few scotstown managers that went into county management, then you see what a different ballgame it is. Kieran Donnelly has done a good enough job with Fermanagh in fairness, but Louth and Limerick got promoted ahead of him.
And Mattie McGleenan didn't exactly set Cavan alight. The next man won them an Ulster!
So I would not use Scotstown as a gauge for a manager when they have very little in the line of competitors at the minute within the county.

Tim_NicebutDim (Monaghan) - Posts: 347 - 22/06/2022 13:02:30    2426830

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Best manger yee could get is Malachy O Rourke back. He's defo in the 5-8 best inter county managers.

Champotime18 (Leitrim) - Posts: 337 - 22/06/2022 13:27:28    2426837

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Enda McGinley is a good progressive manager, doing a good job in Antrim and surely would relish a chance at a higher level, travel not a problem either, act now b4 some other county snaps him up.

DEBOGMAN (Monaghan) - Posts: 10 - 22/06/2022 15:40:31    2426880

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Antrim were terrible against Cavan in championship in Corrigan Park. And Leitrim beat them with ease.

Mckinley hasn't done that much to be having loads of counties after him

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2522 - 22/06/2022 16:17:18    2426892

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Was at corduff and doohamlett last night ,
A poisonous atmosphere, stuff being shouted all over the place , a very bad look for everybody involved in Monaghan football for officials management and county board ,

Monaghan78 (Monaghan) - Posts: 11 - 23/06/2022 09:03:11    2426963

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Replying To Tim_NicebutDim:  ""or the scotstown management team atm with colin Mc aree"

Colin is doing a great job with Scotstown within the county. (Glen tore them apart in Ulster though). However if you look at the last few scotstown managers that went into county management, then you see what a different ballgame it is. Kieran Donnelly has done a good enough job with Fermanagh in fairness, but Louth and Limerick got promoted ahead of him.
And Mattie McGleenan didn't exactly set Cavan alight. The next man won them an Ulster!
So I would not use Scotstown as a gauge for a manager when they have very little in the line of competitors at the minute within the county."
I very valid point.

Managers have definitely been piggybacking off the success they have in Scotstown over the past few years, perhaps unmerited.

McAree got a schooling last year against MOR in Derry, wouldn't fill you with much confidence.

My own personal opinion would be to go out and get Mark Counihan before some other county capitalises on his departure from our Co. Minors. He knows every player worth knowing from 18- 22 in the county which is exactly the age bracket we need to be looking at moving into the current set up. He also has had success at intercounty level with a ulster championship in 2018.

Co.Board May have a job getting him after the stunts pulled last year over the u20s though.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 124 - 23/06/2022 09:33:18    2426968

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