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Funny return for Banty was doing well in league then covid struck and we had the disastrous choke v Cavan. The following season genuinely looked like new players were coming through being blooded only to again not come out for the ulster final until it was too late v a tyrone side who were there for the taking on that day. This year team despite big drama v dublin in the league went backwards. Same old players flogged to death newer lads who were introduced previous year weirdly sidelined. The championship despite players efforts was a shambles this year no real gameplan or pace to the team easy to play against. Think still good nucleus of a side there if the right man is appointed but need to make use of recent minor and u20 sides more. Noone will care if we drop to div 2 doing this as it is long overdue.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1880 - 29/06/2022 13:56:32    2428623

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Thanks seamus for the last 3 years he put his all into it, that's for sure.

I'd like to see mcconville and mcentee together and wouldn't mind seeing conor lavery in the set up if he doesn't get Down job..

muckla (UK) - Posts: 370 - 29/06/2022 13:58:42    2428626

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Banty arguably left two Ulster titles behind him in 2020 and 2021. He can be happy with the job he did though considering Covid ruined two of them.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 1011 - 29/06/2022 14:35:15    2428647

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Just hope its a good fit for all involved i think there will be genuine interest in the job with success of minor teams in the lat six years

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 29/06/2022 15:06:36    2428660

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He done the right thing in stepping away.
I agree with a previous post the league in 2020 looked promising but covid hit. The draw against defeat by cavan was crushing.
Jack Mc Carron kept monaghan up twice which is to be commanded but really both championships were lackluste since. Players were flat.
The armagh win the exception, losing to a depleted tyrone should have been the end and the fact he broke training guidelines during covid. The team needs a huge overhaul by new management, similar to waterford hurlers in 2020 and mayo footballers in 2020. Its just got to happen. On one hand it looks promising but it is a tough gig starting in division 1 and trying to overhaul the panel. Inside the county, Mark Counihan, Andy callan, colin Mc agree might want a go at it. Outside the county, Mc Guiness, Mc Conville, mick Bohan?
Not his biggest fan, but I wish banty well, he has done alot for monaghan football.

222 (UK) - Posts: 844 - 29/06/2022 15:38:16    2428674

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It's a great time to take over as v low expectations but there is talent there to work with. Feels like needs someone who knows the underage scene last few years well. Big name from outside might go with the old reliable again. Good luck to Banty but this is a good day for monaghan football.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1880 - 29/06/2022 15:52:55    2428680

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Not sure if he is ready now or next man down the line but one man that should be involved in the new setup is Andy Callan. Our club had 2 Under 20s on the panel last year and they speak so highly of the way he managed and led the team through tragic circumstances between the Ulster semi final and final. The dogs on the street know if they had Gallagher and Mulligan available they would have won Ulster, likely made an All Ireland final and he would be the prime contender. A Monaghan man, knows the young players and has had success at club level too.

mickduffy (Monaghan) - Posts: 29 - 29/06/2022 16:24:00    2428685

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "There's plenty of All Ireland winners in the country, not many transfer into high quality managers.

I'd be extremely wary of getting an inexperienced manager in just because of his playing profile.

We need to define the role of the position. In my eyes the position is one of a rebuild, this requires a long term approach and mentality. Not necessarily some high profile candidate in to "make his name". That's what we have been dealing with the past 3 years.

If we look at who has been consistently involved at county level over the past 5 or so years that should help identify who would be suitable for the rebuild.

Paul O'Connor
Buggy Malone
Mark Counihan
Andy Callan

Are all Great Monaghan gaa men who would have a excellent knowledge base on what's out there, while also being highly thought of in regards to coaching/management. To be clear, I'm not saying the above is a management team but rather a sum of names that the role would suit."
A good coach is one thing but a good manager is even harder to come by.

A top manager will bring top coach(es) with him.

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 406 - 29/06/2022 16:27:30    2428688

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McConville won't/shouldn't even get a interview.

I think we need to go internal, let a man in to do a rebuild for 2-3 years uninterrupted and see what we can develop.
Counihan is the county's best option, has senior club experience, won a ulster title, made another final with our Co. Minors and perhaps more importantly has the character. His knowledge of players available at the right age is invaluable having been involved the past 4-5 years. All reports I've heard from parents and players is outstanding, his attention to detail, opposition analysis and ability to get a brilliant backroom team around him surely makes him the prime candidate.

Let's just hope Co. board don't drag the process out and gives the incoming manager an opportunity to assess players in club championship.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 29/06/2022 17:27:37    2428697

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Step One; Announce resignation.
Step Two: Do media
Step Three: Repeat Step Two.
Step Four: In about 3 months when Monaghan can't get a manager announce that you would be willing to return.
Step Five: Return with a total mandate from County Board.
Step Six: Announce Manuel Pellegrini as Technical Director. Dino Zoff as Goalkeeping coach and H from Steps as H from Steps.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 569 - 29/06/2022 17:50:04    2428701

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Replying To muckla:  "Thanks seamus for the last 3 years he put his all into it, that's for sure.

I'd like to see mcconville and mcentee together and wouldn't mind seeing conor lavery in the set up if he doesn't get Down job.."
McEntee had his chance the last time to take the job being dropping out so there's 1000's of reasons why I wouldn't like to see being offered a 2nd chance to take it…………

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 569 - 29/06/2022 17:54:50    2428705

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Replying To mickduffy:  "Not sure if he is ready now or next man down the line but one man that should be involved in the new setup is Andy Callan. Our club had 2 Under 20s on the panel last year and they speak so highly of the way he managed and led the team through tragic circumstances between the Ulster semi final and final. The dogs on the street know if they had Gallagher and Mulligan available they would have won Ulster, likely made an All Ireland final and he would be the prime contender. A Monaghan man, knows the young players and has had success at club level too."
Yes we would have won the AI, Euros and WC if we had them players

I am already hearing about rebuilding ( we are not having that)

The next manager has to set to the same standard as the people on this site forum wanted from Banty
A) staying in Division 1
B) wining Ulster and get to at least AL final
anything else will be a disaster ( just read the previous posts)

We will end up getting a manger from Armagh or Tyrone as seemingly there is no other county that can play football
he will cost us a fortune and be gone in 2 years and the cycle will happen again and again.

patmouse (Monaghan) - Posts: 122 - 29/06/2022 18:17:40    2428711

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "Like you've said "class". Something Banty has zero of."
that post has aged well.

Have you given 3 years of your life to Monaghan

Have a little respect man -

i heard a podcast from Andy McEntee, pure gent - no wonder no manager stick to long with a county
( listening to his time away from family and the stick that he gets was just awful )

Any man who manages my beloved county will always get my respect winning or losing

patmouse (Monaghan) - Posts: 122 - 29/06/2022 18:25:28    2428712

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "McConville won't/shouldn't even get a interview.

I think we need to go internal, let a man in to do a rebuild for 2-3 years uninterrupted and see what we can develop.
Counihan is the county's best option, has senior club experience, won a ulster title, made another final with our Co. Minors and perhaps more importantly has the character. His knowledge of players available at the right age is invaluable having been involved the past 4-5 years. All reports I've heard from parents and players is outstanding, his attention to detail, opposition analysis and ability to get a brilliant backroom team around him surely makes him the prime candidate.

Let's just hope Co. board don't drag the process out and gives the incoming manager an opportunity to assess players in club championship."
Mcconville has been managing in the county for long enough. He is local and can bring someone like counihan along with him.

Mcentee is with sligo and has been with mayo. I think these boys should get an interview...

muckla (UK) - Posts: 370 - 29/06/2022 19:19:48    2428725

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Go for an outsider with All Ireland winning credentials. Look what King Henry has brought to Galway?. Monaghan always fell short because they lacked that cut throat killer instinct. Go for the man/ men who can bring that cutting edge. Only an All Ireland winning manager or player can bring that to our players

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 906 - 29/06/2022 20:48:32    2428740

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Thanks Banty.

Your commitment and time to Monaghan GAA is much appreciated

farneygael (Monaghan) - Posts: 300 - 29/06/2022 21:30:39    2428742

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Replying To mick2007:  "McEntee had his chance the last time to take the job being dropping out so there's 1000's of reasons why I wouldn't like to see being offered a 2nd chance to take it…………"
McEntee has been very poor with Sligo, they have taken some massive beatings even for Sligo standards and Inniskeen have been very poor.

Armagh have one 1 AL in 145 years, they are hardly the Real Madrid of the GAA world

Is there no other county we can look to ... surely a county like Dublin with 8/9 All Ireland in the last 11 years would be a great option.

patmouse (Monaghan) - Posts: 122 - 30/06/2022 12:53:19    2428800

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I hope am wrong but wouldn't have huge faith in the county board here to line up the right man think they got lucky with o rourke in 13 and rode that success but people shouldn't kid themselves that they are sounding out Jim Mcguinness or Jim Gavin here. We all remember Bantys replacement first time round which didn't work out so good. Out with the old in with the older. Wouldn't be suprised to see a retired ex player from o rourke era getting the post.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1880 - 30/06/2022 12:55:47    2428802

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Replying To seanie08:  "I hope am wrong but wouldn't have huge faith in the county board here to line up the right man think they got lucky with o rourke in 13 and rode that success but people shouldn't kid themselves that they are sounding out Jim Mcguinness or Jim Gavin here. We all remember Bantys replacement first time round which didn't work out so good. Out with the old in with the older. Wouldn't be suprised to see a retired ex player from o rourke era getting the post."
Leading panel members drove the appointment of MOR in 2013, having pushed the CB to make the approach and put the necessary resources in place.
Something similar needs to happen this time.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1184 - 30/06/2022 15:13:10    2428851

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Replying To muckla:  "Mcconville has been managing in the county for long enough. He is local and can bring someone like counihan along with him.

Mcentee is with sligo and has been with mayo. I think these boys should get an interview..."
McConville has been managing and failing in Monaghan for a while now.
He seems to be living off losing narrowly in a semi final 2 years ago in a game they should have won. Played Scotstown twice in last years Championship, got bet out the gate by a team barely in 2nd gear. He hasn't improved Inniskeen even a little bit despite them being a talented team.
He is nowhere close to what Monaghan need now or ever.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 569 - 30/06/2022 16:43:00    2428882

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