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Very dissapointed yesterday no freshness either on the line or on the pitch youth not given its chance this whole nonsense from banty about staying in div 1 a fella said to me coming out of the dublin match in clones that it was our ulster final and that monaghan wouldn't do anything else for the year how right he was

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 802 - 05/06/2022 11:36:54    2422353

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I don't know what was worse, the way we lost the game, or Banty saying 'we were robbed'.
Actually, I do know.

moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 429 - 05/06/2022 12:15:11    2422371

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Fresh start is needed, kinda feels like 2011 again when bantys first team began to break up. Major shake up is needed, at least 6 players will probably depart but even at that new managment needs to shake the panel up. Yesterday kind of summed monaghan up really in the past 10 years, a nearly team on big championship days. Just haven't been consistent in the white heat of championship. Although alot on here think there is talent coming, there dosent seem to be. If there is, it won't be good enough to dine at the top table.

222 (UK) - Posts: 591 - 05/06/2022 12:30:23    2422377

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An absolute embarrassment yesterday. Deflecting away and blaming it all on the referee. If there was one thing worse than the referee's performance yesterday it was Banty's failure to beat a Mayo team that were there for the taking. The only robbery yesterday would have been if we won that game, given the performance.

SoNearYetSoFarney (Monaghan) - Posts: 30 - 05/06/2022 13:16:14    2422396

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Replying To moodoo:  "I don't know what was worse, the way we lost the game, or Banty saying 'we were robbed'.
Actually, I do know."
The only thing robbed is the progress of Monaghan football over the past 3 years by a totally inept management team,led by a deluded fist pumper.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 250 - 05/06/2022 13:19:39    2422397

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Replying To seamusorinn:  "The only thing robbed is the progress of Monaghan football over the past 3 years by a totally inept management team,led by a deluded fist pumper."
I think that statement that 'we were robbed' gives great insight into his style of management & maybe is central to the issues over the past three years & that is ZRRO accountability & honesty. If you don't have that in a team, failure is inevitable. Just paper over the cracks with spin.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 942 - 05/06/2022 14:21:42    2422412

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Now that the dust has has settled we need to have a long hard look at this Monaghan set up. Not the management personnel, let's face it, Banty has the job for as long as he wants, although I'm sure he'll get rid of Liam Sheedy and bring in some other out of left field personality next year. But what I don't understand is why this team is set up in a manner that is nothing like its managers personality. I don't know Banty well but I played against him a few times,once in a championship match in Aughnamullen where he missed a late chance and had to be carried off the pitch because he was so inconsolable. He's a hugely passionate man so why are his Monaghan teams set up like they are driving with the handbrake on? Where is the manic intensity that Monaghan fans are only dying to get behind. Look at the Dublin game and the way the players fed off the crowd. Where did that go? Our tactics are mired in timidity and negativity. Thats not what this county is about and that is not what inspires people. Look at how we hunted down the Mayo players for the Conor Leonard Penalty? Where was that hunger and drive for the previous 70 minutes? Look at Armagh yesterday,it looked like were playing a different sport to us.
I don't mind losing in the qualifiers because let's face it we're in a competition we can't possibly win. But could we go down swinging? When the last time that happened?
Imagine being a Clare hurling fan this morning. Disappointed, yes. But proud that you went toe to toe with maybe, by the time they're finished, the greatest team of all time. When's the last time we could honestly say we did that for 70 minutes? Was it Kerry 2008?
When's the last time you felt moved enough to give a Monaghan team a rousing ovation at half time in a Championship game?

Also this was Mayo we were playing, the team that has literally invented new ways of throwing away leads yet we let them play around with the ball 50 yards out from our goal while we set up our "zones". Penalties, Black Cards, Footblocks, forget them all. This game was lost in the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half where we barely created a single chance against the worst Mayo team in a generation. We actually scored more against the wind than with it.

There's maybe up to 6 players, absolute legends, who might be announcing their retirements in the coming days or weeks, did they deserve better than Barry Cassidy on Saturday? Yes. But they deserved better from their management too.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 534 - 06/06/2022 08:26:09    2422631

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "Now that the dust has has settled we need to have a long hard look at this Monaghan set up. Not the management personnel, let's face it, Banty has the job for as long as he wants, although I'm sure he'll get rid of Liam Sheedy and bring in some other out of left field personality next year. But what I don't understand is why this team is set up in a manner that is nothing like its managers personality. I don't know Banty well but I played against him a few times,once in a championship match in Aughnamullen where he missed a late chance and had to be carried off the pitch because he was so inconsolable. He's a hugely passionate man so why are his Monaghan teams set up like they are driving with the handbrake on? Where is the manic intensity that Monaghan fans are only dying to get behind. Look at the Dublin game and the way the players fed off the crowd. Where did that go? Our tactics are mired in timidity and negativity. Thats not what this county is about and that is not what inspires people. Look at how we hunted down the Mayo players for the Conor Leonard Penalty? Where was that hunger and drive for the previous 70 minutes? Look at Armagh yesterday,it looked like were playing a different sport to us.
I don't mind losing in the qualifiers because let's face it we're in a competition we can't possibly win. But could we go down swinging? When the last time that happened?
Imagine being a Clare hurling fan this morning. Disappointed, yes. But proud that you went toe to toe with maybe, by the time they're finished, the greatest team of all time. When's the last time we could honestly say we did that for 70 minutes? Was it Kerry 2008?
When's the last time you felt moved enough to give a Monaghan team a rousing ovation at half time in a Championship game?

Also this was Mayo we were playing, the team that has literally invented new ways of throwing away leads yet we let them play around with the ball 50 yards out from our goal while we set up our "zones". Penalties, Black Cards, Footblocks, forget them all. This game was lost in the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half where we barely created a single chance against the worst Mayo team in a generation. We actually scored more against the wind than with it.

There's maybe up to 6 players, absolute legends, who might be announcing their retirements in the coming days or weeks, did they deserve better than Barry Cassidy on Saturday? Yes. But they deserved better from their management too."
couldnt put it better myself...we've got a good squad, maybe even a very good squad but the intensity that is required by all monaghan teams just wasnt there on Saturday. I think there were 5 minutes at the end when everyone finally woke up and started fighting.
Monaghan will never win anything with a good squad and footballing ability alone. i think players and management can all take the blame here. it was a knock out game for gods sake.

We havent been able to plan long term in recent years because you're planning with the old stalwarts, "lets go - one more year with mcmanus, with hughes, with kelly, oconnell, wylie etc etc. These guys owe us nothing now.

Need to start thinking long term, theres already the bones of a fresh young team available...We've easily got 5 more years with the likes of ryan wylie, boyle, ward, mcanespie, kearns, bannigan, mccarthy, mohan, woods, leonard, jones & lavelle. Add o'hanlon and mulligan in there too...you've got a few more years in kieran hughes, duffy, beggan & mccarron. not exactly sure of all the lads ages but im probably not far off there.

Next season has to start now. a solid plan. impact sub roles for the aforementioned stalwarts and if some of them want to call it a day, thanks a lot and best of luck. hope we don't lose too many of the experienced heads because you still need that balance.

Id love a different manager too, but will that happen?

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 135 - 07/06/2022 09:29:53    2422835

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "Now that the dust has has settled we need to have a long hard look at this Monaghan set up. Not the management personnel, let's face it, Banty has the job for as long as he wants, although I'm sure he'll get rid of Liam Sheedy and bring in some other out of left field personality next year. But what I don't understand is why this team is set up in a manner that is nothing like its managers personality. I don't know Banty well but I played against him a few times,once in a championship match in Aughnamullen where he missed a late chance and had to be carried off the pitch because he was so inconsolable. He's a hugely passionate man so why are his Monaghan teams set up like they are driving with the handbrake on? Where is the manic intensity that Monaghan fans are only dying to get behind. Look at the Dublin game and the way the players fed off the crowd. Where did that go? Our tactics are mired in timidity and negativity. Thats not what this county is about and that is not what inspires people. Look at how we hunted down the Mayo players for the Conor Leonard Penalty? Where was that hunger and drive for the previous 70 minutes? Look at Armagh yesterday,it looked like were playing a different sport to us.
I don't mind losing in the qualifiers because let's face it we're in a competition we can't possibly win. But could we go down swinging? When the last time that happened?
Imagine being a Clare hurling fan this morning. Disappointed, yes. But proud that you went toe to toe with maybe, by the time they're finished, the greatest team of all time. When's the last time we could honestly say we did that for 70 minutes? Was it Kerry 2008?
When's the last time you felt moved enough to give a Monaghan team a rousing ovation at half time in a Championship game?

Also this was Mayo we were playing, the team that has literally invented new ways of throwing away leads yet we let them play around with the ball 50 yards out from our goal while we set up our "zones". Penalties, Black Cards, Footblocks, forget them all. This game was lost in the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half where we barely created a single chance against the worst Mayo team in a generation. We actually scored more against the wind than with it.

There's maybe up to 6 players, absolute legends, who might be announcing their retirements in the coming days or weeks, did they deserve better than Barry Cassidy on Saturday? Yes. But they deserved better from their management too."
Great Post. I stood as a teenager in casement Park at halftime in 93 taking part in standing ovation when monaghan went toe to toe with that years all ireland champions. We were levels below but we made sure they knew they were in a game. Did likewise when we played kerry in 07 and Donegal in 13. That was the killing part Saturday. For 20 minutes we stood off a mayo side that wasn't in good shape and only went for it when we went down five points. We have a great squad of players with loads of heart and bottle but they seem coached far too negatively. From a change perspective it was the worst of all worlds the outcome on Saturday as nothing will change been better if beaten comprehensively.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1676 - 07/06/2022 09:44:30    2422839

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Admirable decision by Andy McEntee to step away from the Meath job with minimum fuss. He put the county before his own ego and has given their board every opportunity to plan for next year.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 904 - 07/06/2022 10:37:12    2422884

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Admirable decision by Andy McEntee to step away from the Meath job with minimum fuss. He put the county before his own ego and has given their board every opportunity to plan for next year."
What chances a similar outcome in Monaghan...

I think I'd cry if MOR made himself available for intercounty management again, and ended up going to Meath.

moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 429 - 07/06/2022 11:15:39    2422909

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Replying To moodoo:  "What chances a similar outcome in Monaghan...

I think I'd cry if MOR made himself available for intercounty management again, and ended up going to Meath."
Why would you cry?

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 190 - 07/06/2022 11:50:14    2422937

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Replying To moodoo:  "What chances a similar outcome in Monaghan...

I think I'd cry if MOR made himself available for intercounty management again, and ended up going to Meath."
Time to bring him back to rebuild from the shambles left by the fist pumper.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 250 - 07/06/2022 11:58:04    2422943

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Replying To moodoo:  "What chances a similar outcome in Monaghan...

I think I'd cry if MOR made himself available for intercounty management again, and ended up going to Meath."
what are peoples obsession with MOR?

remember Longord 2016, Down 2017, Fermanagh 2018 and Cavan 2019?

We scraped into a semi final in '18 after the easiest qualifier run and 1 flash in the pan vrs galway,

We maintained our division 1 status every year by the skin of our teeth and lucky results elsewhere just like under current management

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 135 - 07/06/2022 12:39:43    2422973

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The most disappointing aspect to the game Saturday was to see 2 unbelievable monaghan servants taking off McManus and Hughes and not acknowledge at all by banty. The manager is all about himself -the saying me.myself and I. Even post interview was about the players I gave debuts to!! 10 years maanaging Monaghan and won nothing!!! Please enough is enough .

cmxu (Monaghan) - Posts: 25 - 07/06/2022 12:56:16    2422981

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Replying To MalsBalls:  "what are peoples obsession with MOR?

remember Longord 2016, Down 2017, Fermanagh 2018 and Cavan 2019?

We scraped into a semi final in '18 after the easiest qualifier run and 1 flash in the pan vrs galway,

We maintained our division 1 status every year by the skin of our teeth and lucky results elsewhere just like under current management"
Two Ulster titles,two promotions, 6 All Star awards and no BS.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 250 - 07/06/2022 13:02:35    2422989

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Replying To MalsBalls:  "what are peoples obsession with MOR?

remember Longord 2016, Down 2017, Fermanagh 2018 and Cavan 2019?

We scraped into a semi final in '18 after the easiest qualifier run and 1 flash in the pan vrs galway,

We maintained our division 1 status every year by the skin of our teeth and lucky results elsewhere just like under current management"
2 Ulster titles (and a Div 3 and Div 2 title if you count that sort of thing) are highlights that would be a lot to do with it. Beating Kerry, Mayo, Dublin and Tyrone regularly in the league was decent too. The confidence built for underage teams on the back of this was there for all to see.
What are the superior achievements since 2020?

Anyway, the debate is not centred MOR, its around the decision for Monaghan to stick or twist with the current setup.

Claiming 'there's no-one else' is a weak argument. Are there 3 good reasons to continue as we are?

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 904 - 07/06/2022 13:21:55    2423007

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Facts are hard to argue with and well done Mor, our county board employed some one who has won zero in his entire career as a so called manager

stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 154 - 07/06/2022 13:22:11    2423008

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "Now that the dust has has settled we need to have a long hard look at this Monaghan set up. Not the management personnel, let's face it, Banty has the job for as long as he wants, although I'm sure he'll get rid of Liam Sheedy and bring in some other out of left field personality next year. But what I don't understand is why this team is set up in a manner that is nothing like its managers personality. I don't know Banty well but I played against him a few times,once in a championship match in Aughnamullen where he missed a late chance and had to be carried off the pitch because he was so inconsolable. He's a hugely passionate man so why are his Monaghan teams set up like they are driving with the handbrake on? Where is the manic intensity that Monaghan fans are only dying to get behind. Look at the Dublin game and the way the players fed off the crowd. Where did that go? Our tactics are mired in timidity and negativity. Thats not what this county is about and that is not what inspires people. Look at how we hunted down the Mayo players for the Conor Leonard Penalty? Where was that hunger and drive for the previous 70 minutes? Look at Armagh yesterday,it looked like were playing a different sport to us.
I don't mind losing in the qualifiers because let's face it we're in a competition we can't possibly win. But could we go down swinging? When the last time that happened?
Imagine being a Clare hurling fan this morning. Disappointed, yes. But proud that you went toe to toe with maybe, by the time they're finished, the greatest team of all time. When's the last time we could honestly say we did that for 70 minutes? Was it Kerry 2008?
When's the last time you felt moved enough to give a Monaghan team a rousing ovation at half time in a Championship game?

Also this was Mayo we were playing, the team that has literally invented new ways of throwing away leads yet we let them play around with the ball 50 yards out from our goal while we set up our "zones". Penalties, Black Cards, Footblocks, forget them all. This game was lost in the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half where we barely created a single chance against the worst Mayo team in a generation. We actually scored more against the wind than with it.

There's maybe up to 6 players, absolute legends, who might be announcing their retirements in the coming days or weeks, did they deserve better than Barry Cassidy on Saturday? Yes. But they deserved better from their management too."
I just want to expand on this a little bit. I think Monaghan are a bit like Clare hurlers in the 90's, if we don't bring the madness along with everything else, we're nowhere. And is it possible that Buckley and Sheedy being from GAA royalty, just don't get this? It might look good on a white board but it just isn't us. I'm not against tactics but you have to remain true to your identity and being from a border county and from a largely rural area, are we losing what is essentially what makes us?
I played most of my football in Monaghan but finished playing and refereed in Dublin and it was way softer in Dublin, like not even close, even the lower leagues.
Can you imagine that Bradley lad from Derry running the length of the field in Gerry McCarville or Fergus Caulfield's day?
I think we need to get back to basics a little bit.
Because for 65 minutes on Saturday, that was fairly gutless. I didn't think I'd ever say that about any Monaghan performance. But if we're putting the players in tactical straitjackets, is this what we can expect for the future?

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 534 - 07/06/2022 13:47:01    2423027

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "2 Ulster titles (and a Div 3 and Div 2 title if you count that sort of thing) are highlights that would be a lot to do with it. Beating Kerry, Mayo, Dublin and Tyrone regularly in the league was decent too. The confidence built for underage teams on the back of this was there for all to see.
What are the superior achievements since 2020?

Anyway, the debate is not centred MOR, its around the decision for Monaghan to stick or twist with the current setup.

Claiming 'there's no-one else' is a weak argument. Are there 3 good reasons to continue as we are?"
No there aren't three good reasons to keep him. It doesn't look as if there's even one good reason to keep him.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5807 - 07/06/2022 13:59:03    2423037

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