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How was we all feeling about Saturday's match against Mayo? I thought they were a good bit better than us when we played them in the league earlier in the year. And they controlled the match, despite our last minute goal chance. But that was the league. And this is the championship - where Mayo consistently reach at least an All Ireland semi-final. We were very poor against Derry. And anyone who watched that game or the trashings Kildare and Kerry dished out against will surely realise that all you have to do is run at this Monaghan team to do damage. All that said, these days we generally only play well when we are completely written off. And that is Saturday's match. So once again I am going into it with blind faith in the hope that we can win.

SoNearYetSoFarney (Monaghan) - Posts: 56 - 31/05/2022 07:17:41    2421276

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Replying To MonaghanGa3l:  "There is no relegation from the league's but there will be promotion for the teams that win Intermediate and Junior league's.

There are a few nuances but effectively the team that finishes in fourth place of the relegation "group league" from the championship will go down, with the 3rd placed team also going down. For all of the nuances it'd be best to contact your club secretary - there are a few different scenarios as it'd probably be way too long to post here!"
Or how about this for a novel idea....

The County Board could maybe pay some attention to the monaghan gaa website and publish this kind of useful information there so as to be easily accessible

Has anyone had a look at the fixtures and results section of the site? A complete mess since the start of the year and very difficult to find what you might be looking for amid an unorganised morass of phantom leagues, stupidly named competitions ('a', 'b', 'c', anyone?), duplicated menu items and more.

Trying to organise family hols to include some players at the minute, but no notion what the championship schedule might look like. Even the draft league schedule circulated to players recently bore little resemblemce to the actual fixtures that transpired.

Maybe someone somewhere at County level knows all of this, and maybe if you're 'in the know' you can figure out a way of accessing the info, but for the rest of the unwashed, it seems that a policy of silence and obfuscation is he order of the day.

So frustrating, and so easily fixed.

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 208 - 31/05/2022 12:05:24    2421336

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Replying To TearsIn85:  "Or how about this for a novel idea....

The County Board could maybe pay some attention to the monaghan gaa website and publish this kind of useful information there so as to be easily accessible

Has anyone had a look at the fixtures and results section of the site? A complete mess since the start of the year and very difficult to find what you might be looking for amid an unorganised morass of phantom leagues, stupidly named competitions ('a', 'b', 'c', anyone?), duplicated menu items and more.

Trying to organise family hols to include some players at the minute, but no notion what the championship schedule might look like. Even the draft league schedule circulated to players recently bore little resemblemce to the actual fixtures that transpired.

Maybe someone somewhere at County level knows all of this, and maybe if you're 'in the know' you can figure out a way of accessing the info, but for the rest of the unwashed, it seems that a policy of silence and obfuscation is he order of the day.

So frustrating, and so easily fixed."
Would have to agree with you there!!

MonaghanGa3l (USA) - Posts: 18 - 31/05/2022 15:50:54    2421416

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Replying To SoNearYetSoFarney:  "How was we all feeling about Saturday's match against Mayo? I thought they were a good bit better than us when we played them in the league earlier in the year. And they controlled the match, despite our last minute goal chance. But that was the league. And this is the championship - where Mayo consistently reach at least an All Ireland semi-final. We were very poor against Derry. And anyone who watched that game or the trashings Kildare and Kerry dished out against will surely realise that all you have to do is run at this Monaghan team to do damage. All that said, these days we generally only play well when we are completely written off. And that is Saturday's match. So once again I am going into it with blind faith in the hope that we can win."
50 50 game I would say. There's a lot of negativity after the Derry game but in fairness Derry have made a few teams look slack this year. Mayo are in the same boat. If we bring the same intensity from the second half we can do it. I would start a few young guns for this one maybe hanratty woods Mohan and Jones. And Mc carthy closer to goal. Mayo is one scalp we haven't taken in recent years so now is a good time! Hon!

Dcgael (Monaghan) - Posts: 11 - 31/05/2022 19:36:36    2421470

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Replying To MonaghanGa3l:  "Would have to agree with you there!!"
Similar to a lot of club websites the County website leaves an awful lot to be desired. It is not well-maintained and needs a complete update. People who take on with jobs should see them out.

nagrattansabu (Monaghan) - Posts: 13 - 01/06/2022 09:26:57    2421499

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Similar to all monaghan games, im going to castlebar with blind faith. i spoke with a mayo man recently and the victory will go to whoever shows up on the day. we're capable of it but looking back on the league game, i don't think we ever looked like winning it (in the second half anyway)
be a great result if we can win. Days like these are our all Ireland finals whereas mayo have bigger fish to fry. Hon the Farney!

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 220 - 01/06/2022 10:21:05    2421512

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Replying To SoNearYetSoFarney:  "How was we all feeling about Saturday's match against Mayo? I thought they were a good bit better than us when we played them in the league earlier in the year. And they controlled the match, despite our last minute goal chance. But that was the league. And this is the championship - where Mayo consistently reach at least an All Ireland semi-final. We were very poor against Derry. And anyone who watched that game or the trashings Kildare and Kerry dished out against will surely realise that all you have to do is run at this Monaghan team to do damage. All that said, these days we generally only play well when we are completely written off. And that is Saturday's match. So once again I am going into it with blind faith in the hope that we can win."
I'd be feeling a lot better if we had the back six from a few years ago heading to castlebar. We are just far too open at the back to harbour realistic hopes of taking out a side like mayo. We could play amazing for an hour on Saturday be six or seven points up and they'd still get to that defence in the final quarter. Read on donegal thread some of their fans were calling for a few nasty types to be put in the side too many footballers etc. Not sure if the answer for us but we certainly had more stoppers spoilers in the past and its hard to win a game of football at this level if you are likely to concede a couple of goals in the match as we have done in 3/4 last championship matches

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1880 - 01/06/2022 19:53:10    2421686

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Replying To seanie08:  "I'd be feeling a lot better if we had the back six from a few years ago heading to castlebar. We are just far too open at the back to harbour realistic hopes of taking out a side like mayo. We could play amazing for an hour on Saturday be six or seven points up and they'd still get to that defence in the final quarter. Read on donegal thread some of their fans were calling for a few nasty types to be put in the side too many footballers etc. Not sure if the answer for us but we certainly had more stoppers spoilers in the past and its hard to win a game of football at this level if you are likely to concede a couple of goals in the match as we have done in 3/4 last championship matches"
I agree with you on the statement reference our back 6 from a few years back totally…. But…. We have excellent defenders in this current set up, the problem is we play a half back line of half forwards! McAnespie, Ward & McCarthy are natural forwards and are being thrown the wolves in the half back line. I'm not one for giving Banty credit but I originally liked the idea of having an attacking half back line, unfortunately it's hasn't worked and the issue we have now is the ego monster won't allow him to change his mind.
Shane hanratty, Karl O'Con are much better options for our half back line especially coming up against a attacking, running Mayo.

I'd worry for us Saturday if we don't go down to nullify Mayo in the first half. We are very subject at the back with pockets of space everywhere. Have Darren drop back to his plus 1 role that he's excelled at for years and crowd out the Mayo runners. If we are in the game with 15-20 to go you'd hope a young fearless bench with Jones etc could do harm.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 03/06/2022 11:31:45    2421940

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Replying To seanie08:  "I'd be feeling a lot better if we had the back six from a few years ago heading to castlebar. We are just far too open at the back to harbour realistic hopes of taking out a side like mayo. We could play amazing for an hour on Saturday be six or seven points up and they'd still get to that defence in the final quarter. Read on donegal thread some of their fans were calling for a few nasty types to be put in the side too many footballers etc. Not sure if the answer for us but we certainly had more stoppers spoilers in the past and its hard to win a game of football at this level if you are likely to concede a couple of goals in the match as we have done in 3/4 last championship matches"
Start Drew. Play Ryan Wylie centre half. Play McCarthy up front. Hold McManus in reserve. Woods in from the start instead of Carey.
Anyway, O'Rourke tipping Monaghan so its goodnight Irene.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1189 - 03/06/2022 11:34:37    2421941

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Start Drew. Play Ryan Wylie centre half. Play McCarthy up front. Hold McManus in reserve. Woods in from the start instead of Carey.
Anyway, O'Rourke tipping Monaghan so its goodnight Irene."
An element of mischief-making in that prediction. Mayo should on paper win comfortably, but I hope you win. I agree McManus great as an impact sub, he has the self-belief and the ability, but he needs at least a half.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 03/06/2022 12:02:45    2421951

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Start Drew. Play Ryan Wylie centre half. Play McCarthy up front. Hold McManus in reserve. Woods in from the start instead of Carey.
Anyway, O'Rourke tipping Monaghan so its goodnight Irene."
"Woods in from the start instead of Carey."

Best suggestion I've seen in some time. We all know Carey will start though.

moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 461 - 03/06/2022 12:49:23    2421967

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Start Drew. Play Ryan Wylie centre half. Play McCarthy up front. Hold McManus in reserve. Woods in from the start instead of Carey.
Anyway, O'Rourke tipping Monaghan so its goodnight Irene."
Unfortunately Drew is not the answer to our problems. He's been ran ragged in club football the past 2-3 years, he's simply not at that level anymore.

I'd take Ryan out of the full back line though, has had some terrible games for us the past two years, caught flat footed for a lot of goals this year. Hanratty a better man marker IMO

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 03/06/2022 13:27:43    2421991

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Start Drew. Play Ryan Wylie centre half. Play McCarthy up front. Hold McManus in reserve. Woods in from the start instead of Carey.
Anyway, O'Rourke tipping Monaghan so its goodnight Irene."
Unfortunately Drew is not the answer to our problems. He's been ran ragged in club football the past 2-3 years, he's simply not at that level anymore.

I'd take Ryan out of the full back line though, has had some terrible games for us the past two years, caught flat footed for a lot of goals this year. Hanratty a better man marker IMO

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 03/06/2022 13:42:02    2421997

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "Unfortunately Drew is not the answer to our problems. He's been ran ragged in club football the past 2-3 years, he's simply not at that level anymore.

I'd take Ryan out of the full back line though, has had some terrible games for us the past two years, caught flat footed for a lot of goals this year. Hanratty a better man marker IMO"
Certainly not a long term answer but he would stop the rot in defence. Hanratty should have been blooded by now- Down was the chance.
McMenamin is a loss to the panel when you look at the defensive options.
Ryan Wylie get him out of the corner for sure.

Honestly I can't see the resolve or cohesion in this team to compete against Mayo. It will be a long spin home tomorrow night.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1189 - 03/06/2022 15:30:27    2422026

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Team has been released anyway. Karl O'Connell into the halfback line, Conor McCarthy to half-forward and Shane Carey off.

I wonder if there will be changes before throw-in.

I think this is going to be a hugely physical battle, and Mayo will be hitting hard and early.
I'm hoping Monaghan are ready for that. Maybe Drew Wylie for his physicality would have been a good option. His game reading is excellent too.

PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 191 - 04/06/2022 12:09:48    2422099

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Carey for McManus? Unbelievable. Is there something here I'm missing that he's constantly getting game time? I just don't understand it.
And then, with 3 minutes left, he fires a free into the Mayo penalty area where the forwards are completely outnumbered instead of trying to set up a move. That sums it up really. Not inter-county standard.

It's hard not to believe that Malachy O'Rourke would have found a way to beat that Mayo team, who were also really poor and there for the taking. Tyrone wouldn't have passed this chance up.

Another good opportunity wasted on top of three years and zero progress. We've gone back again this year. Surely this has to be the end of the setup.

Mohan, Leonard, Jones, Wood and hopefully Mulligan are players that could backbone a really good team. But not under the inept management we're currently stuck with. A terrible end to the season.

PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 191 - 04/06/2022 17:47:58    2422153

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Let's get things straight from the start before the spin doctors get a minute,,,
It wasn't a penalty.
We were beat by 4 points after setting up not to loose the game, Mayo are 6-8 points better than us.
Take Jack McC out of our forward line and we get a hammering.

3 years is a long long time in football, especially with the free reins he's had over all things club and county football. If Banty is the Great Monaghan man he's fan club voice then he NEEDS to step away because this inept Co. Board won't sack.

He's not alone, as great a servants as these seniors players have been its time for a full rebuild, From today's program 6-8 could/should make way to allow some youth the opportunity to develop after a disastrous u20 campaign. We need to remember we have only brought 3 from the 2 ulster winning teams into today's 24, a poor return for a normal county never mind one the size of ours.

Banty needs to do the right thing, step down and give the incoming management a opportunity to scout players over the club campaign. A terrible year in which a flash in the pan v Dublin papered over massive cracks which came back to bite us this past few weeks.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 04/06/2022 18:44:11    2422178

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Monaghan actually have a good team, it's the tactics that are the problem

The opened Mayo up a bit in the first half but they must have been told at half time that they needed to go full blanket defence.

Mayo were just messing around with the ball and. Monaghan just sat back and didn't even tackle to try and win a turnover to start a counter attack.

They were trying to copy Galway's tactic but made a Balls of it

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1335 - 04/06/2022 21:18:04    2422253

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"We were robbed" says the Banty… now there's a surprise that he's trying deflect blame away from himself and his over hyped management team…..it was a brutal game where Mayo were there for the taking but yet again we went down with a moral victory of sorts..poor Monaghan support there yesterday which would suggest that people have had enough of this current set up and waffle..overall it's been a terrible year papered over by the win against a Dublin team that had very little interest in the league and 1 that didn't want to engage in a physical defensive battle which meant a field day up front for some of our classy league footballers…pitch invasions & fist pumps after league wins against Dublin and Galway count for NOTHING when it comes to the white heat of championship football.. as the saying goes leagues for older playing in and championships are for wining…
Monaghan had the oldest team in the championship with an average age of 28 so a Serious rebuild needed now with a new fresh innovative manager at the helm…the likes of manus, drew, Kelly, the 2 hughes have been unbelievable servants to Monaghan football but time waits for no man…

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 570 - 05/06/2022 09:07:33    2422288

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Replying To mick2007:  ""We were robbed" says the Banty… now there's a surprise that he's trying deflect blame away from himself and his over hyped management team…..it was a brutal game where Mayo were there for the taking but yet again we went down with a moral victory of sorts..poor Monaghan support there yesterday which would suggest that people have had enough of this current set up and waffle..overall it's been a terrible year papered over by the win against a Dublin team that had very little interest in the league and 1 that didn't want to engage in a physical defensive battle which meant a field day up front for some of our classy league footballers…pitch invasions & fist pumps after league wins against Dublin and Galway count for NOTHING when it comes to the white heat of championship football.. as the saying goes leagues for older playing in and championships are for wining…
Monaghan had the oldest team in the championship with an average age of 28 so a Serious rebuild needed now with a new fresh innovative manager at the helm…the likes of manus, drew, Kelly, the 2 hughes have been unbelievable servants to Monaghan football but time waits for no man…"
Fully agree I'd love to have seen more of Jones and Woods in this championship but Banty went with old guard who don't have legs anymore. McManus a legend for us but an impact sub now and strangely I think he'd make a huge impact coming on but whether he'd be happy with that role next year up for debate. Banty taking him off reminded me of him taking off jap in 2010 v kildare.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1880 - 05/06/2022 09:55:05    2422301

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