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Any sign of club fixtures coming out ?

Monaghan78 (Monaghan) - Posts: 11 - 01/04/2022 08:15:17    2408780

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I was at the u20 game last night. You could see from the warm up how they were going to play. Slow build up, passing over and back it was a mirror image of the seniors in a few matches this year namely the kerry game..

The football is being coached out of these lads and it's a shame to see...

Cavan hit fast and direct to forwards who were fast and direct and most importantly could score and have the freedom to shoot. They gave us a lesson and I hope our coaches and management were taking notes....

muckla (UK) - Posts: 341 - 02/04/2022 07:39:54    2408990

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Well done Banty and the team. Showed great class and skill to come back and win it in the end. All the talk beforehand was that the Dubs were rolling again after two wins. What a trill to win a game like that. It must be great: to be up there in Division 1 year after year and compete successfully with the top teams. Hope Mickey will bring us there soon. Good luck in Ulster.
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19616609 (Louth) - Posts: 1557 - 02/04/2022 09:32:14    2409002

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Replying To muckla:  "I was at the u20 game last night. You could see from the warm up how they were going to play. Slow build up, passing over and back it was a mirror image of the seniors in a few matches this year namely the kerry game..

The football is being coached out of these lads and it's a shame to see...

Cavan hit fast and direct to forwards who were fast and direct and most importantly could score and have the freedom to shoot. They gave us a lesson and I hope our coaches and management were taking notes...."
Fully agree. Is it possible to over-coach and under-coach a team at the very same time? Monaghan managed it last night.
Brutal stuff altogether and you could see the patterns of frustrating play that creep into the senior team when things are going bad.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 904 - 02/04/2022 10:42:00    2409017

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I'd say that was the worse underage age display since Derry held a monaghan minor team to like two points 15 odd years ago. Nothing like your neighbours to bring you back down to earth is there?

222 (UK) - Posts: 591 - 02/04/2022 13:08:53    2409047

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Replying To 222:  "I'd say that was the worse underage age display since Derry held a monaghan minor team to like two points 15 odd years ago. Nothing like your neighbours to bring you back down to earth is there?"
Terrible stuff to watch last nite. As for Sunday, let's be realistic about the quality and interest of the team we struggled in the end to beat.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 250 - 02/04/2022 13:34:28    2409050

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Replying To seamusorinn:  "Terrible stuff to watch last nite. As for Sunday, let's be realistic about the quality and interest of the team we struggled in the end to beat."
Under 20s weren't going to achieve this year. Mark Counihan & his staff who brought these players at minor level to Ulster titles wanted to stay with them & manage under 30s thus year. But Banty stepped in & insisted his man McCague had to be appointed instead. This is common knowledge throughout the county & yet another example of Banty making a 'hames' of Monaghan football.

Remember it was Banty & his man McCague who, just a few years ago, suffered another humiliating defeat to another poor Cavan side at this level.
How long can this go on for ?

Meanwhile Counihan & his coaches thankfully are still doing a great job this year with our minors even though they could have walked away in disgust.
Every year they prove themselves.

Banty is ruining Monaghan football at ALL LEVELS !

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 278 - 02/04/2022 13:59:29    2409054

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "Under 20s weren't going to achieve this year. Mark Counihan & his staff who brought these players at minor level to Ulster titles wanted to stay with them & manage under 30s thus year. But Banty stepped in & insisted his man McCague had to be appointed instead. This is common knowledge throughout the county & yet another example of Banty making a 'hames' of Monaghan football.

Remember it was Banty & his man McCague who, just a few years ago, suffered another humiliating defeat to another poor Cavan side at this level.
How long can this go on for ?

Meanwhile Counihan & his coaches thankfully are still doing a great job this year with our minors even though they could have walked away in disgust.
Every year they prove themselves.

Banty is ruining Monaghan football at ALL LEVELS !"
This is something I was only made aware of last night.

Counihan and his team wanted the job, the players wanted the him and his team. Won ulster together, beat by eventual All Ireland champ, Give him the job, no brainer.

So what went wrong? Counihan went against Banty and Co.B threw him under the bus.

Counihan requested full access to his players which would mean Gallaher, Hanratty and Irwin would have to train with 20s instead of seniors. Co.B wouldn't back him and let Banty dictate the terms of these young lads development. Counihan along with the only other candidate for the job Andy Callan both pulled out of the running as a result.

We were then left with a ulster winning team who couldn't get a management, why? Because everyone in the country knew that Banty was the only name in town. Money talks.

The result of this lack of backbone and leadership from Co.B was last night. Young players shadows of themselves, over coached, under confidence and showing all the signs of a team who didn't know how to play together. We have went from back 2 back ulster champs to nothing.

Counihan should have walked away from Monaghan and take his backroom team with him, who would have blamed him.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 124 - 02/04/2022 15:48:22    2409069

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Wasnt aware of any of this but 3 points in 60 minutes football is brutal and smells of something within is not right

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 802 - 02/04/2022 16:41:05    2409079

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Replying To prideof85:  "Wasnt aware of any of this but 3 points in 60 minutes football is brutal and smells of something within is not right"
You had to see it to believe it.
"Through the hands, through the hands, through the hands!" All night even when 10 points down.
Any lad thinking of actually kicking the ball was in real bother

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 904 - 02/04/2022 16:52:08    2409082

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So basically what yez are saying is Mc Enaney is doing a great job for football........ Cavan Football

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 969 - 02/04/2022 19:10:36    2409117

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "This is something I was only made aware of last night.

Counihan and his team wanted the job, the players wanted the him and his team. Won ulster together, beat by eventual All Ireland champ, Give him the job, no brainer.

So what went wrong? Counihan went against Banty and Co.B threw him under the bus.

Counihan requested full access to his players which would mean Gallaher, Hanratty and Irwin would have to train with 20s instead of seniors. Co.B wouldn't back him and let Banty dictate the terms of these young lads development. Counihan along with the only other candidate for the job Andy Callan both pulled out of the running as a result.

We were then left with a ulster winning team who couldn't get a management, why? Because everyone in the country knew that Banty was the only name in town. Money talks.

The result of this lack of backbone and leadership from Co.B was last night. Young players shadows of themselves, over coached, under confidence and showing all the signs of a team who didn't know how to play together. We have went from back 2 back ulster champs to nothing.

Counihan should have walked away from Monaghan and take his backroom team with him, who would have blamed him."
Thankfully & his staff didn't walk & are doing a great job with minors again this year. Just shows their genuine commitment to Mon. football.
By the way is
Jones not under 20 this year ?

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 278 - 03/04/2022 14:53:08    2409214

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "Thankfully & his staff didn't walk & are doing a great job with minors again this year. Just shows their genuine commitment to Mon. football.
By the way is
Jones not under 20 this year ?"
Jones not Under 20 this year

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 250 - 03/04/2022 15:59:51    2409248

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "Thankfully & his staff didn't walk & are doing a great job with minors again this year. Just shows their genuine commitment to Mon. football.
By the way is
Jones not under 20 this year ?"
No, unfortunately for Sean he picked up a very serious hamstring injury in senior training and missed all the u20 campaign except the final where he wasn't even at 50%. We lost that final after extra time with No Mulligan (due to seniors) and a Seán Jones with a hamstring injury. Yet another year of development gone because these lads aren't allowed play their own age grade.

Karl G couldn't start on Friday, this lad has played no football in 2 years due to what,,, you guessed it, a injury sustained while training with the seniors.

Banty and Co are responsible for 2 minor winning teams regressing and failing. Well done Seamus the so called "Monaghan man", you've destroyed inter county football at 2 age grades consecutively.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 124 - 03/04/2022 16:31:03    2409267

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "So basically what yez are saying is Mc Enaney is doing a great job for football........ Cavan Football"
Long may he reign!

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 03/04/2022 21:08:31    2409392

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "No, unfortunately for Sean he picked up a very serious hamstring injury in senior training and missed all the u20 campaign except the final where he wasn't even at 50%. We lost that final after extra time with No Mulligan (due to seniors) and a Seán Jones with a hamstring injury. Yet another year of development gone because these lads aren't allowed play their own age grade.

Karl G couldn't start on Friday, this lad has played no football in 2 years due to what,,, you guessed it, a injury sustained while training with the seniors.

Banty and Co are responsible for 2 minor winning teams regressing and failing. Well done Seamus the so called "Monaghan man", you've destroyed inter county football at 2 age grades consecutively."
Can I ask a question ? Who is not allowing these players play at their own county level ? Again some posts here have just no other reason for blame only if it's in one particular direction . I thought it was a GAA rule which I don't happen to agree with it, that if you make an appearance in a senior championship you are not allowed then to play in u20's. This rule is very unfair to the smaller counties who happen to maybe need some players from this particular age category . On one hand we complain when the younger players aren't blooded in and aren't getting enough game time . And then on the other hand we don't want them playing at senior level . We can't have it both ways . Also it seems some here believe that hamstring injuries seem to be a Monaghan problem attributed to their training or whatever . If that's the case other counties must be doing similar as many players at present are suffering similar injuries.

Positivity (Monaghan) - Posts: 7 - 04/04/2022 09:48:03    2409430

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "No, unfortunately for Sean he picked up a very serious hamstring injury in senior training and missed all the u20 campaign except the final where he wasn't even at 50%. We lost that final after extra time with No Mulligan (due to seniors) and a Seán Jones with a hamstring injury. Yet another year of development gone because these lads aren't allowed play their own age grade.

Karl G couldn't start on Friday, this lad has played no football in 2 years due to what,,, you guessed it, a injury sustained while training with the seniors.

Banty and Co are responsible for 2 minor winning teams regressing and failing. Well done Seamus the so called "Monaghan man", you've destroyed inter county football at 2 age grades consecutively."
Can I ask a question ? Who is not allowing these players play at their own county level ? Again some posts here have just no other reason for blame only if it's in one particular direction . I thought it was a GAA rule which I don't happen to agree with it, that if you make an appearance in a senior championship you are not allowed then to play in u20's. This rule is very unfair to the smaller counties who happen to maybe need some players from this particular age category . On one hand we complain when the younger players aren't blooded in and aren't getting enough game time . And then on the other hand we don't want them playing at senior level . We can't have it both ways . Also it seems some here believe that hamstring injuries seem to be a Monaghan problem attributed to their training or whatever . If that's the case other counties must be doing similar as many players at present are suffering similar injuries.

Positivity (Monaghan) - Posts: 7 - 04/04/2022 13:04:47    2409503

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Replying To Positivity:  "Can I ask a question ? Who is not allowing these players play at their own county level ? Again some posts here have just no other reason for blame only if it's in one particular direction . I thought it was a GAA rule which I don't happen to agree with it, that if you make an appearance in a senior championship you are not allowed then to play in u20's. This rule is very unfair to the smaller counties who happen to maybe need some players from this particular age category . On one hand we complain when the younger players aren't blooded in and aren't getting enough game time . And then on the other hand we don't want them playing at senior level . We can't have it both ways . Also it seems some here believe that hamstring injuries seem to be a Monaghan problem attributed to their training or whatever . If that's the case other counties must be doing similar as many players at present are suffering similar injuries."
When a senior intercounty manager brings in young players he has massive influence on them, what 18-19 year old is capable of standing up for themselves and demanding they play with the players and team they may have been with since development squads? So to answer question Banty is not allowing them. If they play a senior intercounty game they can not tog out for u20s the same year, this is what happened Aaron Mulligan last year.

Blooding young players can and should be achieved when the players are ready both technically and physically, not just so the manager can say he's doing x, y & z. Aaron Mulligan was (and is) a massive talent, he was rushed through without playing u20 football last year and this year can't get a game, there's a reason why we have age grades, to allow the players develop and avoid injuries or walk aways.
He's now in a position where he's played little to no football for two years.
Jones, due to injury, little to no football for two years.
Gallagher, due to injury, little to no football for two years.
Is this how we develop senior intercounty footballers?

As for your comment on other county's injuries, I don't care, I'm interested in Monaghan and how we run our squads. In the past 2 years the squad has been flattened with a high injury rate last seen…… in bantys last term under McElehenens time. This is arguably a worse period.
Dermot Malone forced into retirement due to a knee injury sustained in the gym, how many more before the issue is addressed?

Your comment, like some of your previous posts stink of propaganda, you preach positivity, more like head in the sand stuff. There is massive issues at multiple levels in Monaghan gaa, if they aren't spoken about, called out or acted on then the impact will be seen for years to come. Like it or not, this stems from or Co.Senior management. They need to be the best representation of everything that is Monaghan football, the man at the helm can't stay out of the papers for two weeks, is that who we want in charge of our young men?

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 124 - 04/04/2022 14:23:23    2409540

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "When a senior intercounty manager brings in young players he has massive influence on them, what 18-19 year old is capable of standing up for themselves and demanding they play with the players and team they may have been with since development squads? So to answer question Banty is not allowing them. If they play a senior intercounty game they can not tog out for u20s the same year, this is what happened Aaron Mulligan last year.

Blooding young players can and should be achieved when the players are ready both technically and physically, not just so the manager can say he's doing x, y & z. Aaron Mulligan was (and is) a massive talent, he was rushed through without playing u20 football last year and this year can't get a game, there's a reason why we have age grades, to allow the players develop and avoid injuries or walk aways.
He's now in a position where he's played little to no football for two years.
Jones, due to injury, little to no football for two years.
Gallagher, due to injury, little to no football for two years.
Is this how we develop senior intercounty footballers?

As for your comment on other county's injuries, I don't care, I'm interested in Monaghan and how we run our squads. In the past 2 years the squad has been flattened with a high injury rate last seen…… in bantys last term under McElehenens time. This is arguably a worse period.
Dermot Malone forced into retirement due to a knee injury sustained in the gym, how many more before the issue is addressed?

Your comment, like some of your previous posts stink of propaganda, you preach positivity, more like head in the sand stuff. There is massive issues at multiple levels in Monaghan gaa, if they aren't spoken about, called out or acted on then the impact will be seen for years to come. Like it or not, this stems from or Co.Senior management. They need to be the best representation of everything that is Monaghan football, the man at the helm can't stay out of the papers for two weeks, is that who we want in charge of our young men?"
Dermot Malone's retirement was down to an operation he got on his knee cartilage 10 years ago, as he said himself in an interview. Don't spread false information to support your agenda.

HB245 (Monaghan) - Posts: 121 - 04/04/2022 15:11:36    2409557

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "When a senior intercounty manager brings in young players he has massive influence on them, what 18-19 year old is capable of standing up for themselves and demanding they play with the players and team they may have been with since development squads? So to answer question Banty is not allowing them. If they play a senior intercounty game they can not tog out for u20s the same year, this is what happened Aaron Mulligan last year.

Blooding young players can and should be achieved when the players are ready both technically and physically, not just so the manager can say he's doing x, y & z. Aaron Mulligan was (and is) a massive talent, he was rushed through without playing u20 football last year and this year can't get a game, there's a reason why we have age grades, to allow the players develop and avoid injuries or walk aways.
He's now in a position where he's played little to no football for two years.
Jones, due to injury, little to no football for two years.
Gallagher, due to injury, little to no football for two years.
Is this how we develop senior intercounty footballers?

As for your comment on other county's injuries, I don't care, I'm interested in Monaghan and how we run our squads. In the past 2 years the squad has been flattened with a high injury rate last seen…… in bantys last term under McElehenens time. This is arguably a worse period.
Dermot Malone forced into retirement due to a knee injury sustained in the gym, how many more before the issue is addressed?

Your comment, like some of your previous posts stink of propaganda, you preach positivity, more like head in the sand stuff. There is massive issues at multiple levels in Monaghan gaa, if they aren't spoken about, called out or acted on then the impact will be seen for years to come. Like it or not, this stems from or Co.Senior management. They need to be the best representation of everything that is Monaghan football, the man at the helm can't stay out of the papers for two weeks, is that who we want in charge of our young men?"
So let's get this right once and for all.

If we win, it's down to the others in the management team and everything is brilliant

If we lose, it's McEnaney is useless

If some one gets injured it's McEnaney is useless

Pity, we hadn't the old formula, we could set up 2 threads.

is there anyway we can blame him for the state of my beloved Man U are in, or is this going too far.

patmouse (Monaghan) - Posts: 93 - 04/04/2022 17:00:19    2409607

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