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Replying To Lockjaw: "We could have packed MacCumhaill Park to the rafters yesterday and told the Mayo supporters to watch the game in Jacksons and the Villa Rose and it wouldn't have made a difference. There are more fundamental issues to resolve than lack of numbers going through the gates. If we sort out the important bits the match attendances will look after themselves." These issues are hardly going to be resolved in the next few weeks. It doesn't mean we stop supporting paddy and the lads. Maybe I'm different than most of yous but I'm a firm believer in supporting us on bad and good days. . That's usually what supporters do. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2615 - 20/03/2023 11:56:59 2465095 Link
Replying To rorysboys: "As I told you last year we're not good enough.. this is not being disrespectful it's fact. Sick listening to this great talented squad that bonner and rochford were holding back. I admire all players who put on our county jersey. Look at mayo how far ahead of us they are. We still had 10 of the starting team in the Ulster final last year playing." As I told you last year, we were going backwards under last years management also, so stop this nonsense about how things were great under the last management. They weren't The problems are from the committee down, and its dragging the entire county down with it. The mayo board all work together to get the very best investment into mayo gaa, and back there county teams. Look at the results, competing at the top for years. This is why they have great support, everyone is working together for the betterment of mayo gaa. Can we say the same about our county committee The academy mess just about sums up the entire mess we are in, how many great men have stepped down, men that know what it takes to reach the top. Its going to have a detrimental effect on our academy players. Our 16s have not even had a meet up a few weeks before the buncrana cup. Its amateur stuff The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 711 - 20/03/2023 12:10:34 2465102 Link
Replying To rorysboys: "As I told you last year we're not good enough.. this is not being disrespectful it's fact. Sick listening to this great talented squad that bonner and rochford were holding back. I admire all players who put on our county jersey. Look at mayo how far ahead of us they are. We still had 10 of the starting team in the Ulster final last year playing." I disagree with you, we have talented players, but right now we have a Donegal panel missing key players in the County who could make a massive difference, for example we have no bench at the moment. Conor Morrison missed 2 seasons due to long-term cruciate injury, a natural gritty corner back and is only back playing now. Odhran McFadden Ferry and Eoin McHugh both out, key experienced wing back players. Stephen McMenamin - Failed fitness test yesterday. Ryan McHugh and Paul Brennan - Both injured. Jack McKelvey - Returning from Injury Ciaran Thompson - Returning from Injury - Not match fit yet. Odhran MacNiallais out since 2018 with the exception of 2021, a player who I considered one of out most naturally gifted footballers and high fielders, such a waste. Oisin Gallen - Injury prone, barely played since 2019. Niall O'Donnell and Shane O'Donnell - Possibly injuries, not sure why they aren't part of it this season. Patrick McBrearty - Injured, should be back for Championship. Michael Murphy - Retired, but could have played an impact role from the bench for another season or two, huge loss. Above is just some key names that are out, are injured or are just back from injury. It's difficult to build traction with so many key players not available or not fit. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1340 - 20/03/2023 12:16:58 2465109 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Well things are going from bad to worse. A humbling defeat at home and injuries to Mogan and Gallen. We're a middling Division 2 team at present and will do well to get out of Newry with a win to be honest about it. I can't remember morale being as low in the county in a long, long time. The county board exists in order to promote the well-being and best interests of Donegal GAA. In no sense whatsoever is that the case currently. I see they've advertised looking for an u16 academy manager now? Laughable. I think someone else already mentioned it here, and I agree, we are currently like English soccer fans clamoring for an unwanted chairman/board to sell up and get out. I really think that needs to happen and fast. An independent audit conducted by Croke Park would soon sort out the bluffers. There would be no hiding places then. I keep hearing there's two sides to the story. Lets hear them so. I believe that's what Paul McGonigle was after, but as we all know he was unsuccessful in his bid for chairman. I would strongly recommend again that you get to your next club meeting and make your opinion heard. It's the only way change can happen." Hi Lockjaw: Any word of the clubs organising themselves for the next county board meeting for the vote of no confidence and removal of executive? I see Neil Mc Gee came out last week telling the clubs it was up to them to sort it out. AudiMan (Donegal) - Posts: 683 - 20/03/2023 12:18:03 2465113 Link
That's what I mean. The way the GAA works, it is up to club members to go club meetings and air their grievances. The club's county delegate(s) need a mandate from their club to bring it up at county meetings. If enough clubs are complaining about the same thing and are agitating for change then a debate and vote are necessary. To put it plainly, if every club in the county raised the proposal below, then I think the board have no option but for it to be addressed and voted upon... "We, CLG ....., propose that the current county executive are relieved of their duties and and an election process to establish a replacement executive be instigated as a matter of urgency" Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9759 - 20/03/2023 12:51:31 2465135 Link
Replying To Commodore: "I disagree with you, we have talented players, but right now we have a Donegal panel missing key players in the County who could make a massive difference, for example we have no bench at the moment. Conor Morrison missed 2 seasons due to long-term cruciate injury, a natural gritty corner back and is only back playing now. Odhran McFadden Ferry and Eoin McHugh both out, key experienced wing back players. Stephen McMenamin - Failed fitness test yesterday. Ryan McHugh and Paul Brennan - Both injured. Jack McKelvey - Returning from Injury Ciaran Thompson - Returning from Injury - Not match fit yet. Odhran MacNiallais out since 2018 with the exception of 2021, a player who I considered one of out most naturally gifted footballers and high fielders, such a waste. Oisin Gallen - Injury prone, barely played since 2019. Niall O'Donnell and Shane O'Donnell - Possibly injuries, not sure why they aren't part of it this season. Patrick McBrearty - Injured, should be back for Championship. Michael Murphy - Retired, but could have played an impact role from the bench for another season or two, huge loss. Above is just some key names that are out, are injured or are just back from injury. It's difficult to build traction with so many key players not available or not fit." Come on now you named four that won't play for Donegal again. I'm asking where is all this so called talented squad we have . bar mark Curran it's the same squad as last year minus Murphy. As I said we started 10 of last years Ulster final team . It's about time the excuses stopped I'm as sick as any donegal supporter. The accademy can not be used as an excuse for yesterday. We're 5 weeks out from championship which means gallen and mogan will miss at least 3 week's training so that probably rules them out for the down game. Ryan Mc Hugh will be back but with no game time. Our bench yesterday was weak a lot of young lads who still are a few years from being fit for county football.. Mc fadden ferry is a huge loss paddy carr is trying to be attack minded but you have to mind the house too. Aidan o Shea got man of the match because the mayo players were delivering good ball into him. In fairness to Mc Cole he had a thankless job any team playing mayo will play a plus 1 in front of o Shea but for whatever reason we didn't. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2615 - 20/03/2023 12:57:45 2465137 Link
Replying To The keeper: "As I told you last year, we were going backwards under last years management also, so stop this nonsense about how things were great under the last management. They weren't The problems are from the committee down, and its dragging the entire county down with it. The mayo board all work together to get the very best investment into mayo gaa, and back there county teams. Look at the results, competing at the top for years. This is why they have great support, everyone is working together for the betterment of mayo gaa. Can we say the same about our county committee The academy mess just about sums up the entire mess we are in, how many great men have stepped down, men that know what it takes to reach the top. Its going to have a detrimental effect on our academy players. Our 16s have not even had a meet up a few weeks before the buncrana cup. Its amateur stuff" I'll tell you one thing I would be delighted to have the same backroom team as last year. Rochford had us well sussed out why do you think o Shea targeted Patton when he got the ball. I definitely tell you it didn't happen by chance. Club football in Donegal is the big problem, you don't like admitting to that as I said before it's a borefest. when donegal play it it's horrible but when the top 4 club teams in Donegal play it there's no word of it. Rant over we're just not good enough. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2615 - 20/03/2023 13:04:39 2465142 Link
Replying To AudiMan: "Hi Lockjaw: Any word of the clubs organising themselves for the next county board meeting for the vote of no confidence and removal of executive? I see Neil Mc Gee came out last week telling the clubs it was up to them to sort it out." There is no doubt bad management and bad decisions at Board level can bring great clubs to their knees,I am sure our hero from killybegs could testify to that.I am all for revolution but we have to make sure we get the right people in or we could end up like the Arab Spring revolution and we know how that panned out. gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1149 - 20/03/2023 13:06:58 2465144 Link
Replying To rorysboys: "I'll tell you one thing I would be delighted to have the same backroom team as last year. Rochford had us well sussed out why do you think o Shea targeted Patton when he got the ball. I definitely tell you it didn't happen by chance. Club football in Donegal is the big problem, you don't like admitting to that as I said before it's a borefest. when donegal play it it's horrible but when the top 4 club teams in Donegal play it there's no word of it. Rant over we're just not good enough." You're right about club football, it's shocking. Clubs paying thousands of euros to 'coaches'. Its all about systems and shape, not enough emphasis on coaching players on the basic skills of the game, talented players not allowed to express themselves greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 633 - 20/03/2023 14:02:36 2465187 Link
Did anyone hear the party political broadcast from Highland sport commentator on TG4 before the game. It was embarrassing. The same radio station who are being led along on a leash by the county board. Our local media are being bullied by county executive members. It's time they named and shamed these people who are on the county executive. ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 748 - 20/03/2023 14:18:52 2465195 Link
Replying To rorysboys: " Replying To Commodore: "I disagree with you, we have talented players, but right now we have a Donegal panel missing key players in the County who could make a massive difference, for example we have no bench at the moment. Conor Morrison missed 2 seasons due to long-term cruciate injury, a natural gritty corner back and is only back playing now. Odhran McFadden Ferry and Eoin McHugh both out, key experienced wing back players. Stephen McMenamin - Failed fitness test yesterday. Ryan McHugh and Paul Brennan - Both injured. Jack McKelvey - Returning from Injury Ciaran Thompson - Returning from Injury - Not match fit yet. Odhran MacNiallais out since 2018 with the exception of 2021, a player who I considered one of out most naturally gifted footballers and high fielders, such a waste. Oisin Gallen - Injury prone, barely played since 2019. Niall O'Donnell and Shane O'Donnell - Possibly injuries, not sure why they aren't part of it this season. Patrick McBrearty - Injured, should be back for Championship. Michael Murphy - Retired, but could have played an impact role from the bench for another season or two, huge loss. Above is just some key names that are out, are injured or are just back from injury. It's difficult to build traction with so many key players not available or not fit." Come on now you named four that won't play for Donegal again. I'm asking where is all this so called talented squad we have . bar mark Curran it's the same squad as last year minus Murphy. As I said we started 10 of last years Ulster final team . It's about time the excuses stopped I'm as sick as any donegal supporter. The accademy can not be used as an excuse for yesterday. We're 5 weeks out from championship which means gallen and mogan will miss at least 3 week's training so that probably rules them out for the down game. Ryan Mc Hugh will be back but with no game time. Our bench yesterday was weak a lot of young lads who still are a few years from being fit for county football.. Mc fadden ferry is a huge loss paddy carr is trying to be attack minded but you have to mind the house too. Aidan o Shea got man of the match because the mayo players were delivering good ball into him. In fairness to Mc Cole he had a thankless job any team playing mayo will play a plus 1 in front of o Shea but for whatever reason we didn't." Every player I listed above could still play for Donegal and make the starting lineup and bench, and I didn't even mention other quality players like Ethan O'Donnell, McGettigan or Stephen McBrearty . I don't believe the current squad that lined out yesterday can win Ulster, like we could beat Down and maybe scalp Armagh/Cavan if plucky and somehow reach an Ulster final, but then we would get crucified by Derry or Tyrone. However if the players listed above all made themselves available and were fully fit, I do think Donegal have a squad with depth that could win Ulster and challenge for an All Ireland with the right management team. Could you imagine bring on Michael Murphy, Ryan McHugh, Stephen McBrearty, Odhran MacNiallais, Eoin McHugh and Niall O'Donnell in the last 20 minutes of a match. That would be a game changer. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1340 - 20/03/2023 14:39:01 2465216 Link
Replying To greenfan: "You're right about club football, it's shocking. Clubs paying thousands of euros to 'coaches'. Its all about systems and shape, not enough emphasis on coaching players on the basic skills of the game, talented players not allowed to express themselves" 100% - the amount of mercanry 'coaches' on the club scene is now frightening. Going to the highest bidder and offering absolute muck. peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1198 - 20/03/2023 14:42:18 2465219 Link
Replying To rorysboys: "I'll tell you one thing I would be delighted to have the same backroom team as last year. Rochford had us well sussed out why do you think o Shea targeted Patton when he got the ball. I definitely tell you it didn't happen by chance. Club football in Donegal is the big problem, you don't like admitting to that as I said before it's a borefest. when donegal play it it's horrible but when the top 4 club teams in Donegal play it there's no word of it. Rant over we're just not good enough." The previous Management had plenty of time and could take them no further. Players like Neil Mc Gee, Michael Murphy & Patrick Mc Brearty are not easily replaced. We lack leadership all over the field. Shane & Niall are huge misses in the forward line. Injuries to Ryan and Patrick are not helping. Oisin just cannot stay fit. Hugh Mc Fadden is an imact sub. Ciaran Thompson, Michael Langan & Peadar Mogan are just back from injury. Mayo are the form team in Division 1 at the minute and are way ahead of us in their Championship preparations. No point in blaming Club football, a Manager can play whatever way he chooses if he has the right coaches and backroom team with him. Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 486 - 20/03/2023 14:48:37 2465225 Link
Replying To Scenicparish: "The previous Management had plenty of time and could take them no further. Players like Neil Mc Gee, Michael Murphy & Patrick Mc Brearty are not easily replaced. We lack leadership all over the field. Shane & Niall are huge misses in the forward line. Injuries to Ryan and Patrick are not helping. Oisin just cannot stay fit. Hugh Mc Fadden is an imact sub. Ciaran Thompson, Michael Langan & Peadar Mogan are just back from injury. Mayo are the form team in Division 1 at the minute and are way ahead of us in their Championship preparations. No point in blaming Club football, a Manager can play whatever way he chooses if he has the right coaches and backroom team with him." Not to hard to know what club you're from. If you play boring defensive football with your club it's hard on defenders to be expected to go man to man with the county.. club football in Donegal is a big part of the problem. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2615 - 20/03/2023 15:14:19 2465239 Link
Replying To rorysboys: "These issues are hardly going to be resolved in the next few weeks. It doesn't mean we stop supporting paddy and the lads. Maybe I'm different than most of yous but I'm a firm believer in supporting us on bad and good days. . That's usually what supporters do." Why couldn't they be resolved quickly? Get rid of the dead wood and get men like Lacey, Kavanagh and McGuinness back involved ASAP before we lose them to other counties. Sean Cavanagh hit the nail on the head last night. When you have individuals with a high performance mindset at your fingertips it is absolute folly not to use their talents. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9759 - 20/03/2023 16:28:59 2465280 Link
Replying To rorysboys: "Not to hard to know what club you're from. If you play boring defensive football with your club it's hard on defenders to be expected to go man to man with the county.. club football in Donegal is a big part of the problem." If you are a good enough defender you should be able to play to any system.... man to man or any defensive system. By the way only 2 of the starting defenders from yesterday team played in last years club semi finals or finals, none from my own club so how is club football relevant at all........... Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 486 - 20/03/2023 16:48:35 2465294 Link
Replying To Scenicparish: "If you are a good enough defender you should be able to play to any system.... man to man or any defensive system. By the way only 2 of the starting defenders from yesterday team played in last years club semi finals or finals, none from my own club so how is club football relevant at all..........." Sure the other 4 have clubs too . Don't get your point. Players are that used to the defensive football that have ruined Donegal football this long while. It's time clubs let the shackles off and give there players some enjoyment back. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2615 - 20/03/2023 19:22:49 2465358 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Why couldn't they be resolved quickly? Get rid of the dead wood and get men like Lacey, Kavanagh and McGuinness back involved ASAP before we lose them to other counties. Sean Cavanagh hit the nail on the head last night. When you have individuals with a high performance mindset at your fingertips it is absolute folly not to use their talents." Totally agree we need Lacey and Co back. It's a shambles at the moment. This next few weeks is crucial. If we lose Lacey to another teams heads have to roll. Sean kavanagh was 100 per cent last night. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2615 - 20/03/2023 19:28:14 2465359 Link
Replying To ryan: "Did anyone hear the party political broadcast from Highland sport commentator on TG4 before the game. It was embarrassing. The same radio station who are being led along on a leash by the county board. Our local media are being bullied by county executive members. It's time they named and shamed these people who are on the county executive." What club is the county chairman from?? What club is the coaching officer from??? Did anyone not hear devenney's party political broadcast on otb last week giving his buddy's views??? Highland has always had a letterkenny bias, it's their bread and butter so no surprise there, they aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them! totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 20/03/2023 21:07:16 2465375 Link
Replying To rorysboys: "Totally agree we need Lacey and Co back. It's a shambles at the moment. This next few weeks is crucial. If we lose Lacey to another teams heads have to roll. Sean kavanagh was 100 per cent last night." It pains me to agree with Sean Cavanagh for once, he had a point about how GAA committees are elected. We need to look at changing not just the CB or Individuals, but we need to look at the old structure and perhaps look at restructuring. The challenge here is how to we get the right people in those key executive positions so that we maximize our potential? Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1340 - 21/03/2023 09:38:43 2465397 Link