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With regard to Coaching,Management and mentoring I counted 10 members of the 2012 All Ireland team who have been involved or who have been mentioned in regard to the above.That is an unusually high number and good to see that they are maintaining their interest and putting something back in to the game.There is no doubt that young people will look up to their heroes but I think as supporters we are also a bit starstruck and assume that they all would be good coaches or managers.Good players are often not great in these roles.McGuinness and Bonner are the only 2 from 1992 that were successful.My other fear is that if we have too many involved from the same team that we could have a bit of group think and all working off the same manual and not open to different thinking and styles of play.I hope all the shenannigans that are going on at present does not undermine the current management team.You often see at even big Soccer clubs that problems at Boardroom level seem to filter right down to team morale and performances on the field. gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1150 - 12/02/2023 12:28:39 2457905 Link 0 |
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Therein lies most of our problems - most people are stuck in 2012 - the game has moved on from then. You need 18-20+ scores to win games - 13 scores would not of won any all Ireland the last 5/6 years. The bigger teams have moved on from the style of play we have been messing around with since it first originated in glenties/Fintown in 2005… eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1694 - 12/02/2023 14:03:02 2457919 Link 0 |
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Is there ever a dull moment with Donegal GAA? I am not sure what to make of the academy fiasco but it was worrying that Karl Lacey had felt he needed to resign. Is this issue about the funding of the academy or interference from the county board on how Karl wanted to run things? We surely can't expect to compete at a national level long term if we are going to try and run our academy on a shoe string budget. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1906 - 13/02/2023 10:30:24 2458018 Link 1 |
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well said. I have my opinions about other counties and how Donegal run things is irrelevant to what I think about Mayo, Galway, Dublin, Tyrone, Armagh etc etc. Same is true the other way round.
CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 13/02/2023 11:54:33 2458040 Link 0 |
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Thanks. My other half is from Donegal and as I said previously I lived there for years and played football there. And spend a lot of my spare time there and go to a lot of club and county games. I am not just a random lad commenting on Donegal.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8385 - 13/02/2023 12:50:44 2458058 Link 0 |
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A lot of chat about the Academy understandably after what has been a tumultuous week. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9765 - 13/02/2023 13:50:46 2458077 Link 1 |
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It's pretty obvious from your posts that you have a genuine insight to what's going on. You predicted the coaches to follow after Lacey resigned before they actually did. There certainly were strong rumours that Jim might come back during the summer so was no surprise that any chance was stalled by the politics involved at boardroom level. Thanks for the insights much appreciated.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2856 - 13/02/2023 13:54:32 2458081 Link 2 |
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At last ... a post with a bit of sense.
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 635 - 13/02/2023 14:53:25 2458097 Link 0 |
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Any word from an pelodoir has he gone to ground?? rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2616 - 13/02/2023 15:12:39 2458103 Link 0 |
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Ha. One thing about you. You're good craic. You still sound a bit salty from the county final though.
tidytownman (Donegal) - Posts: 298 - 13/02/2023 16:47:07 2458139 Link 0 |
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More sour grapes. Some of the so called bigger teams haven't learned how to break down a proper defensive system yet. When you can only manage 7 scores in a match ( 2022 County Final ) its a very poor reflection on your forwards. Get over it.
Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 490 - 13/02/2023 18:26:49 2458154 Link 0 |
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I hear Karl Lacey is gone to manage Lacey....anyone else hear that..... Sadly if it's true then getting him back into the academy will be seriously dented if he has taken a club team KerrymanStuckInDonegal (Kerry) - Posts: 271 - 13/02/2023 21:05:56 2458174 Link 0 |
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LAVEY
KerrymanStuckInDonegal (Kerry) - Posts: 271 - 14/02/2023 09:39:33 2458200 Link 0 |
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Is the GAA Academy concept actually effective and value for money for Donegal GAA? I understand the concept, its based on the Premier League Academy systems in England, more specifically Arsenal's. I applaud those who are thinking outside of the box and exploring innovative ways to improve the County standards, I'm just not sold on if it can be applied effectively and produce results. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1342 - 14/02/2023 09:54:27 2458206 Link 1 |
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Sure Karl heading to Lavey is his own business.Bit of turmoil in that club also according to reports. neutral (None) - Posts: 358 - 14/02/2023 11:01:39 2458218 Link 0 |
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That it is effective as is is the story we're being sold. That directive has led us to this mess. We're still waiting on folks who simultaneously hold paid their own full-time jobs and paid positions within Donegal GAA to tell us why there's no money for the Academy. Is the money spent on the senior men's team cost-effective? SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 452 - 14/02/2023 11:07:43 2458220 Link 0 |
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It would be impossible to replicate what Billionaire soccer clubs are doing in an amateur association like the GAA.However I am sure we still could learn from them and implement some of the things they are doing.We also could look a bit nearer to home and look at how Tyrone have constantly over the years produced good underage teams.This year we had 3 teams from Co Tyrone in the McRory cup semi finals with Omagh winning it.Omagh by the way beat our top College by 4-13 to 0-3.Says a lot really.I heard Enda McGinley saying that there is a lot of good underage coaching at club level feeding in to the colleges where there is also good coaching.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1150 - 14/02/2023 11:17:12 2458222 Link 0 |
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Kerry GAA credits it's five consecutive minor championships to the academy system and development squads seeing as they hadn't won a minor in the twenty years previous (94). I know from first hand that players who have been involved in development squads have really benefited from the higher level of coaching and playing at a higher level. Big problem with a strong player in a club is that sometimes they go into a county panel and aren't used to playing in a county team with 25 players of a high level, used to doing most of the work themselves or one or two other players on their club team. Development squads gives them a taste of that environment. That's why the divisional (amalgamated) teams in Kerry are such as success, players get to play with and against a higher standard of player. Donegal will never bring in the divisional (amalgamation) model but they need to stick with the academy / development teams. It will take a few years for the results to be seen but this whole thing with lacey and the coaches quiting could put the whole process back a decade KerrymanStuckInDonegal (Kerry) - Posts: 271 - 14/02/2023 11:29:47 2458227 Link 0 |
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Yes but my point is that if he is gone to LAVEY, chances of getting him back into the development squads is gone, for this year anyway. He can't / won't do both.....
KerrymanStuckInDonegal (Kerry) - Posts: 271 - 14/02/2023 11:31:07 2458228 Link 0 |
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I believe Tyrone have adopted the academy structure for a good few years now and they have had plenty Underage success. Also Derry are doing the same and it seems to be paying off.
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 635 - 14/02/2023 11:38:18 2458231 Link 0 |