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I think Kerry have massive hunger in that team and they have some of the best young players in the country, you have to try and beat Dublin or any other team anyway you can within the rules, we didn't mind too much in Donegal in 2012 that we played a defensive type counter attacking game, we played some great football that year though against Cork for example,
what happened after that though when Rory Gallagher took over was hard to watch for me and I was glad to get back to playing more normal type football under Bonner & co,
Cillian if he's out for the season is a big blow to Mayo and a boost for Galway, but I don't think it will matter to Dublin who comes out of Connacht, final will be Dublin v Kerry most likely but I'd love for Donegal to get there, I think if we had every man available and playing well we'd give Dublin a good game of it in the final, but I'm dreaming now.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1735 - 16/06/2021 18:27:39    2351478

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Cillian O Connor out for the year is a fatal blow to us. Even more so than Andy in 2012. To have any chance in a potential semi final we would have needed him and everyone fully fit. It's very disappointing for Cillian but also Mayo. Anyway those the cards that we are dealt.

Mayo are indeed in transition but also still well able to challenge and compete which is what you want to see.

I agree to a point on Kerry. I'll reserve judgement yet. I'm not convinced by their defence and midfield is nowhere near Dublin. Donegal could beat Kerry but we are still three years on waiting for this Donegal team to explode. Tyrone are caught between stools in style of play and won't be challenging this year...it will take them time."
I knew Cillian got injured but did nt hear he was out for the year. That's very sad and very sorry to hear that. A massive loss for Mayo but one that might spur them on. Sometimes teams rise when their star player is injured. Gooch was playing fab football in 13 and we lost him with the cruciate in 14 but others stepped up then like James Ó Donoghue and Paul Geaney and we won the all ireland. Having said that Cillian loss is extra because of his free taking and 45m kicks etc. Wishing him a speedy recovery.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2687 - 16/06/2021 18:39:37    2351482

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Replying To tommy132:  "Dublin still well ahead
Kerry would be second
Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone same level
Galway, Roscommon, Monaghan, Armagh, Meath, Kildare same level..Im probably leaving few out that should be there

Kerry best equipped to be Dublin's biggest threat, they have a more attacking system in place and the players to execute it, but the biggest thing they have going for them is the embarrassment from last year, which is a great motivational tool.

Donegal have good footballers, all action but to inconsistent with scoring and lacking a full back line, goalkeeper isn't to confident under the high ball.
Tyrone dont seem to know what system there trying to play, will take a year or 2 for them to change.
Mayo used to have arguably, the best defence or individual defenders, in the country, but now they are struggling in the full back line. Brendan Harrison played half a match for the club last weekend and now with Cillian O Connor seemingly out for the year, it could next year they give it a right go. Without Cillian I dont think they will win Connacht this year"
Sorry to hear bout Cillian. Wishing him a speedy recovery. I hate to see any players get injured for big tournaments.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2687 - 16/06/2021 18:41:11    2351483

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Would the neutrals want a Dublin/Kerry final or a Dublin/Donegal final? Kerry are, at the best of times, difficult to watch, especially against Dublin when they play puke football. The game entails Kerry breaking after defending/watching Dublin pass the ball laterally across the pitch for 3-4 mins. Donegal Dublin will be full throttle and in my opinion would be a better final. Obviously I'm biased as well but what do the neutrals think?"
Dublin Kerry for me.. as someone who just really wants to see the dubs bet, I think it's Kerry with the better chance. Have never found a Dublin/Kerry final difficult to watch.

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 248 - 16/06/2021 19:04:50    2351486

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Interesting. Cork ahead of Limerick? Why Tipp so low when they beat Galway? I'd put Limerick first then Tipp then Galway. Kilkenny and Waterford has to be up there too. The rest are a coin flip."
Just my opinion and KK and Waterford are very much up there as you say...in my list.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 853 - 16/06/2021 22:22:47    2351521

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Literally impossible to rank the hurling teams right now and there's no point either. Based on 2021 only then you'd probably be right to have Galway and maybe Kk second but no clue after that. Everyone has had good and bad results but it's hard to know who's disappointed really - with maybe the exception of laois. Limerick would have been probably a little worried had they not beaten Cork but they did and looked good but it's impossible to take much from that game either. From a. Tipp perspective I'd argue that it's a good thing we lost to Waterford as any year we have any success we've also had to get a kick up the arse at some point so hopefully it works to our advantage.
While Galway have racked up massive scores and I had them second favourites I now actually believe Waterford are the main threat to limerick - if injuries don't end up costing them. They have noticeably got stronger, bigger and maybe even faster and fitter than last year.

There has been a lot of doom and gloom after a fairly poor league but I'm really looking forward to what is one of the most open championships I have seen anyway."
You say KK second based on 2021 form,the only real test they had was against Clare and they failed....they need to overcome stiffer teats before I'm convinced but KK are always there and never ever give up! I agree with you on Waterford being a big threat,they have fantastic hurlers,they are still inclined to take a little bit too much out of the ball,when they release the ball quickly they are so dangerous.MY and most peoples favourite team to win the AI after our own is Waterford.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 853 - 16/06/2021 22:33:18    2351522

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Just my opinion and KK and Waterford are very much up there as you say...in my list."
Yeah. It should be a very good championship. I'm excited to see what Antrim do. What version of a Wexford team will we get? I have no clue on who Galway's starters will be as they had different lineups every match. Can Waterford finally win it all? Etc.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1335 - 17/06/2021 00:25:02    2351539

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Oh Dear. I reply to the poster who created this thread and I point out there are some users with more than one account and now you, a totally different username are replying to me ? Oh dear."
Wow, you're paranoid. I was simply agreeing with your point that a few of my countymen have Mayo way too far down the list. Cool the jets.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1015 - 17/06/2021 14:14:39    2351634

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "Wow, you're paranoid. I was simply agreeing with your point that a few of my countymen have Mayo way too far down the list. Cool the jets."
You seem to have missed the point I was making. I replied to the poster who had Mayo way down the list. You replied as if I was replying to you. Don't you see how strange that is?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7290 - 17/06/2021 17:59:22    2351700

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "You seem to have missed the point I was making. I replied to the poster who had Mayo way down the list. You replied as if I was replying to you. Don't you see how strange that is?"
It's a discussion forum. I made a point based on posts I was reading that I found interesting. Do I need to ask your persuasion before I can make a comment? Good luck so...

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1015 - 17/06/2021 18:35:48    2351704

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Ollies rankings based on this years League positions:

1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Donegal
4. Tyrone
5. Armagh
6. Monaghan
7. Mayo
8. Kildare
9. Galway
10. Roscommon
11. Clare
12. Meath
13. Cork
14. Down
15. Derry
16. Offaly
17. Westmeath
18. Laois
19. Limerick
20. Fermanagh
21. Longford
22. Wicklow
23. Antrim
24. Louth
25. Cavan
26. Tipp
27. Carlow
28. Waterford
29. Sligo
30. Wexford
31. Leitrim

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 444 - 17/06/2021 21:10:32    2351739

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Ollies rankings based on this years League positions:

1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Donegal
4. Tyrone
5. Armagh
6. Monaghan
7. Mayo
8. Kildare
9. Galway
10. Roscommon
11. Clare
12. Meath
13. Cork
14. Down
15. Derry
16. Offaly
17. Westmeath
18. Laois
19. Limerick
20. Fermanagh
21. Longford
22. Wicklow
23. Antrim
24. Louth
25. Cavan
26. Tipp
27. Carlow
28. Waterford
29. Sligo
30. Wexford
31. Leitrim"
I would find it hard to make up my mind between div 1 and 2 teams, a div 2 team in good form isn't necessarily as good as a div 1 team in good form.
O Connors injury is a big blow to mayo too.
And you have to put the dubs at top spot too imo. Until they're finally beaten, whenever that may be, they're top dogs imo.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 885 - 17/06/2021 22:10:14    2351751

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I don't know what the neutrals think but like you im biased so id love to see Kerry in a final.Who are you for? On another post recently you said Donegal and Kerry s game in the super 8 s was the best game played in years and now you say Kerry are hard to watch especially v Dublin.Kerry actually outscored Dublin big time in the league game but maybe that's what bothered you.I like reading other county threads from time to time but never seem to see you on the Donegal thread.You seem to have a gripe with Kerry and maybe that's why you fancied Tyrone to beat them.You also seem to have a gripe with Mayo.So I take it you want Dublin in final but definitely not against Kerry or Mayo (although that cant happen this year).Funny thing though is the best finals Dublin played in were against Mayo and Kerry.I wonder!"
I'd have serious doubts that Murphballs (or mothballs whatever you call him/her/it ) is from Donegal at all,
I thought murph was from Tyrone at the start but not sure now, anyway who cares there's a lot of new trolls on here lately, once I figure out they are a troll I just never read what they post, they only do it to get a reaction so don't give them the satisfaction.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1735 - 17/06/2021 22:37:16    2351757

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Ollies rankings based on this years League positions:

1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Donegal
4. Tyrone
5. Armagh
6. Monaghan
7. Mayo
8. Kildare
9. Galway
10. Roscommon
11. Clare
12. Meath
13. Cork
14. Down
15. Derry
16. Offaly
17. Westmeath
18. Laois
19. Limerick
20. Fermanagh
21. Longford
22. Wicklow
23. Antrim
24. Louth
25. Cavan
26. Tipp
27. Carlow
28. Waterford
29. Sligo
30. Wexford
31. Leitrim"
I'd put Galway above Kildare.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1335 - 19/06/2021 14:40:18    2352017

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Ollies rankings based on this years League positions:

1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Donegal
4. Tyrone
5. Armagh
6. Monaghan
7. Mayo
8. Kildare
9. Galway
10. Roscommon
11. Clare
12. Meath
13. Cork
14. Down
15. Derry
16. Offaly
17. Westmeath
18. Laois
19. Limerick
20. Fermanagh
21. Longford
22. Wicklow
23. Antrim
24. Louth
25. Cavan
26. Tipp
27. Carlow
28. Waterford
29. Sligo
30. Wexford
31. Leitrim"
Looks about right.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1651 - 19/06/2021 16:42:01    2352036

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I'd have serious doubts that Murphballs (or mothballs whatever you call him/her/it ) is from Donegal at all,
I thought murph was from Tyrone at the start but not sure now, anyway who cares there's a lot of new trolls on here lately, once I figure out they are a troll I just never read what they post, they only do it to get a reaction so don't give them the satisfaction."
I wonder at times too Tirchonaill. There are a few posters that bemuse me and confuse me. It's also obvious some posters pretend to be from other counties to praise their own. If posters can't be upfront what's the point. Now it's sad really.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2687 - 19/06/2021 21:20:17    2352074

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Ollies rankings based on this years League positions:

1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Donegal
4. Tyrone
5. Armagh
6. Monaghan
7. Mayo
8. Kildare
9. Galway
10. Roscommon
11. Clare
12. Meath
13. Cork
14. Down
15. Derry
16. Offaly
17. Westmeath
18. Laois
19. Limerick
20. Fermanagh
21. Longford
22. Wicklow
23. Antrim
24. Louth
25. Cavan
26. Tipp
27. Carlow
28. Waterford
29. Sligo
30. Wexford
31. Leitrim"
Aye, because basing it on league performance is idiot proof. .

Give me Antrim in the first round of the ulster championship and make us underdogs and you'll see a few bookies go bust!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4542 - 19/06/2021 21:59:13    2352081

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Correct in your overall point. A Limerick poster putting Galway and Cork ahead of Limerick in hurling rankings on the basis of a couple of slightly competitive league games !! We all know Limerick are no.1 right now and that won't change unless/ until they are knocked out of the championship.
What you say about Mayo is true but this is the year to write them off...they'll not be reaching the All Ireland semi final this year especially considering the injuries they've picked up."
The O'Connor injury is big and yes writes them off beating Dublin. I Probably still have them no.3 though, as the rest are even worse.
Agree totally on the hurling point. Even the most optimistic Cork fan would say they are fighting for 4th/5th unless championship throws up any results to change that.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 272 - 19/06/2021 22:31:32    2352082

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "
Replying To TearsIn85:  "My favourite ranking table is https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057173179&page=69, as it's based on stats and outcomes rather than finger in the air feelings. This is how the teams stood after NFL Round 3. (the latest table hasn't been published yet).

One of the downsides of this model, perhaps, is that it takes a longer term view, with rankings based over several competitions. Though the argument could be made that this helps smooth out any immediate 'form' based misconceptions.

I think this is a solid indicator of current overall rankings, but not so good as a predictor of results for any given match up. And isn't that why we enjoy sport so much in any case?

# Δ Rank Team
1 = Dublin
2 ▲1 Mayo
3 ▼-1 Kerry
4 = Donegal
5 = Tyrone
6 = Galway
7 ▲1 Meath
8 ▼-1 Cavan
9 = Armagh
10 = Roscommon
11 ▲1 Cork
12 ▼-1 Monaghan
13 ▲1 Kildare
14 ▲1 Derry
15 ▼-2 Clare
16 ▲3 Down
17 = Westmeath
18 ▼-2 Tipperary
19 ▼-1 Laois
20 = Offaly
21 = Longford
22 = Fermanagh
23 ▲1 Limerick
24 ▼-1 Antrim
25 ▲1 Louth
26 ▲1 Carlow
27 ▼-2 Wicklow
28 ▲1 Leitrim
29 ▼-1 Sligo
30 = Wexford
31 = Waterford
32 = New York
33 = London."
Well the problem for those statistics I would think is they are over a 12 month period.The thread is about 2021.I mean no disrespect to the teams im naming but Cavan are rated number 8 which could nt be right and Meath are ranked above Armagh.The bookies will give the closest rankings at the present time as they are the ones that are putting their money where their mouths are."
The whole thing is a bit skewed outside top 3 and it's all down to opinion. New York being above London even makes no sense.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 272 - 19/06/2021 23:24:44    2352087

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Dublin
Kerry
Mayo
Donegal
Tyrone
Armagh
Monaghan
Galway
Kildare
Clare
Meath
Cork
Roscommon
Derry
Westmeath
Down
Offaly
Limerick
Laois
Fermanagh
Cavan
Longford
Wicklow
Antrim
Tipp
Louth
Carlow
Sligo
Wexford
Waterford
Leitrim"

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 869 - 20/06/2021 06:42:39    2352094

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