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Replying To MesAmis: "I'd feel fine about it.
Saying that as someone who isn't vaccinated and won't be for a long time I'd imagine." "Hill 16 is me only"!!!!
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 18/03/2021 18:13:03
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Replying To TheUsername: "Wonder would the GAA allow people who have been fully vaccinated attend games and if so how would people feel about it?
Be divisive for sure...….!!!!
*Full disclosure, I've had both my doses as am in healthcare." Oh yeah Username let you in and the rest of us stay at home.All jokes aside it would nt be a bad idea.If people had a card with proper i.d to say they are vaccinated there should nt be a problem.I personally would have no problem and think it would be a good idea.
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Replying To TheUsername: "Wonder would the GAA allow people who have been fully vaccinated attend games and if so how would people feel about it?
Be divisive for sure...….!!!!
*Full disclosure, I've had both my doses as am in healthcare." Think that would leave no under 40s at games for a while. Think the youth have been penalised enough. They are the least at risk but have to abide by all the rules.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2012 - 18/03/2021 22:36:22
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Oh yeah Username let you in and the rest of us stay at home.All jokes aside it would nt be a bad idea.If people had a card with proper i.d to say they are vaccinated there should nt be a problem.I personally would have no problem and think it would be a good idea." Careful now, you start that and there's no telling where it could lead to.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8590 - 18/03/2021 22:43:06
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Replying To Saynothing: "Think that would leave no under 40s at games for a while. Think the youth have been penalised enough. They are the least at risk but have to abide by all the rules." Ehm, well im on borderline for a good few months yet!
But generally yes, you'd have an older cohort and probably a lot of front line health care workers. Ulster may be far ahead in their programme to - but then you'd have the mad situation were say Donegal were playing Down, loads of Down could go and less Donegal.
I think the big worry would be a few chancing their arm and even if they couldn't get into the game congregating at grounds etc. Which i can understand would be a concern to in terms of risk.
I dont know how you'd prove you've been vaccinated, when you get it they take your pps number and you fill out a consent form - im sure your details are in some data base somewhere. Elsewise you are just given a card with the batch number, your name on it and the dates you've had your jabs, its not like a license or anything - as Mick suggested, just a piece of cardboard really you can write on.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 19/03/2021 09:08:06
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Replying To TheUsername: "Ehm, well im on borderline for a good few months yet!
But generally yes, you'd have an older cohort and probably a lot of front line health care workers. Ulster may be far ahead in their programme to - but then you'd have the mad situation were say Donegal were playing Down, loads of Down could go and less Donegal.
I think the big worry would be a few chancing their arm and even if they couldn't get into the game congregating at grounds etc. Which i can understand would be a concern to in terms of risk.
I dont know how you'd prove you've been vaccinated, when you get it they take your pps number and you fill out a consent form - im sure your details are in some data base somewhere. Elsewise you are just given a card with the batch number, your name on it and the dates you've had your jabs, its not like a license or anything - as Mick suggested, just a piece of cardboard really you can write on." Probably stored somewhere in an Excel 97 file on a desktop PC running Windows 98 I'd say.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9133 - 19/03/2021 09:22:28
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If you want to see GAA back again this year, contact your local TD. And do it now.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 19/03/2021 10:04:12
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Replying To galwayford: "If you want to see GAA back again this year, contact your local TD. And do it now." Speaking of local TD's did Mattie McGrath ever play hurling for Tipperary? I thought I read somewhere he did or was it that he was in the backroom team with Liam Sheedy as a motivational speaker???
the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 19/03/2021 14:34:31
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Replying To tonguey: "Speaking of local TD's did Mattie McGrath ever play hurling for Tipperary? I thought I read somewhere he did or was it that he was in the backroom team with Liam Sheedy as a motivational speaker???" No he didnt
No he wasnt
munstermaniac71 (Galway) - Posts: 15 - 19/03/2021 16:08:10
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Replying To tonguey: "Speaking of local TD's did Mattie McGrath ever play hurling for Tipperary? I thought I read somewhere he did or was it that he was in the backroom team with Liam Sheedy as a motivational speaker???" Or was that he used to wash John Leahys boots after every home game for Tipp? I think I heard that.
thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 290 - 19/03/2021 17:08:33
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I think everyone every where has become frustrated and fed up up the virus. Especially the regulations, messaging, constant changing of rules from governments and medical experts. Small business spend money to up grade patios etc. when just completed shut down again. Certain sports can operate under the guise of begin elite while others can not go out and kick or hit a ball with a few of their friends in a big open field.
I have been 100% behind (complying) all the regulation put in place to protect us. 99% of people are following the protocol and yet it keeps spreading. Yes the dam thing keeps changing and a constant learning curve. Beginning to become skeptical at this stage though. The focus is on the small number of clowns who won't follow any regulation but this is the information the rest of us are getting pounded with day in day out. What can we do about it ? Governments sh-t or get off the pot and tell them, no your rights do not allow you to infect others, if that is truly the case for sure. Lock them up. Is it that they know if there was 100% compliance the virus will still continue and they keep throwing us curved balls to keep us off balance. Well if so, that is just driving the compliment people in the wrong direction.
The reality probable is the virus is around to stay like the flu and maybe we should get on with life while dealing with it. We will probable require yearly vaccination for some time to come that will prevent the majority of deaths but people die from the flu every year also.
I am sure all of you are all frustrated also but I think history will show a lot of good measures taken but also a lot of bull came out in the wash.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 21/03/2021 17:04:19
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Replying To Canuck: "I think everyone every where has become frustrated and fed up up the virus. Especially the regulations, messaging, constant changing of rules from governments and medical experts. Small business spend money to up grade patios etc. when just completed shut down again. Certain sports can operate under the guise of begin elite while others can not go out and kick or hit a ball with a few of their friends in a big open field.
I have been 100% behind (complying) all the regulation put in place to protect us. 99% of people are following the protocol and yet it keeps spreading. Yes the dam thing keeps changing and a constant learning curve. Beginning to become skeptical at this stage though. The focus is on the small number of clowns who won't follow any regulation but this is the information the rest of us are getting pounded with day in day out. What can we do about it ? Governments sh-t or get off the pot and tell them, no your rights do not allow you to infect others, if that is truly the case for sure. Lock them up. Is it that they know if there was 100% compliance the virus will still continue and they keep throwing us curved balls to keep us off balance. Well if so, that is just driving the compliment people in the wrong direction.
The reality probable is the virus is around to stay like the flu and maybe we should get on with life while dealing with it. We will probable require yearly vaccination for some time to come that will prevent the majority of deaths but people die from the flu every year also.
I am sure all of you are all frustrated also but I think history will show a lot of good measures taken but also a lot of bull came out in the wash." Canuck I agree with your comment, that we are all fed up with the ongoing lockdown. It just seems like more of the same, possibly to June according to the last NPHET comment. I would like to see an easing of the 5 km limit for a start, there is talk of increasing it to 20km. It would allow more travel freedom for people in rural Ireland. However, with 769 cases reported today, any easing of restrictions to allow for more sporting activity, and an expansion of the 5km limit may be deferred.
People will respond better to a plan with targeted easing of restrictions, than the present system, of indefinite lockdown. It's down to the Government to make decisions on reducing Level 5, hopefully case numbers will reduce over the next two weeks. I hope the vaccination roll out continues, and more of the population receive the injection.
MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 21/03/2021 19:18:06
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Replying To Canuck: "I think everyone every where has become frustrated and fed up up the virus. Especially the regulations, messaging, constant changing of rules from governments and medical experts. Small business spend money to up grade patios etc. when just completed shut down again. Certain sports can operate under the guise of begin elite while others can not go out and kick or hit a ball with a few of their friends in a big open field.
I have been 100% behind (complying) all the regulation put in place to protect us. 99% of people are following the protocol and yet it keeps spreading. Yes the dam thing keeps changing and a constant learning curve. Beginning to become skeptical at this stage though. The focus is on the small number of clowns who won't follow any regulation but this is the information the rest of us are getting pounded with day in day out. What can we do about it ? Governments sh-t or get off the pot and tell them, no your rights do not allow you to infect others, if that is truly the case for sure. Lock them up. Is it that they know if there was 100% compliance the virus will still continue and they keep throwing us curved balls to keep us off balance. Well if so, that is just driving the compliment people in the wrong direction.
The reality probable is the virus is around to stay like the flu and maybe we should get on with life while dealing with it. We will probable require yearly vaccination for some time to come that will prevent the majority of deaths but people die from the flu every year also.
I am sure all of you are all frustrated also but I think history will show a lot of good measures taken but also a lot of bull came out in the wash." No matter how great things are going re case numbers etc, there's aways gonna be a video released of kids partying, or there'll be a discovery of another variant, and we'll be put back to square one,, and the blame will be placed squarely on the shoulders of irish citizens,, and the justification will be that if it saves even one life it will have been worth it (if, after bills/rent/mortgages were paid, we donated all of our wage earnings to charity each week, millions of lives would be saved, so we should be doing that then shouldn't we?)
I'm just dreading the day we have to deal with a virus that doesn't have an extremely favourable recovery rate.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 21/03/2021 19:22:12
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Replying To Canuck: "I think everyone every where has become frustrated and fed up up the virus. Especially the regulations, messaging, constant changing of rules from governments and medical experts. Small business spend money to up grade patios etc. when just completed shut down again. Certain sports can operate under the guise of begin elite while others can not go out and kick or hit a ball with a few of their friends in a big open field.
I have been 100% behind (complying) all the regulation put in place to protect us. 99% of people are following the protocol and yet it keeps spreading. Yes the dam thing keeps changing and a constant learning curve. Beginning to become skeptical at this stage though. The focus is on the small number of clowns who won't follow any regulation but this is the information the rest of us are getting pounded with day in day out. What can we do about it ? Governments sh-t or get off the pot and tell them, no your rights do not allow you to infect others, if that is truly the case for sure. Lock them up. Is it that they know if there was 100% compliance the virus will still continue and they keep throwing us curved balls to keep us off balance. Well if so, that is just driving the compliment people in the wrong direction.
The reality probable is the virus is around to stay like the flu and maybe we should get on with life while dealing with it. We will probable require yearly vaccination for some time to come that will prevent the majority of deaths but people die from the flu every year also.
I am sure all of you are all frustrated also but I think history will show a lot of good measures taken but also a lot of bull came out in the wash." Yes I am something similar to yourself. Too big a price to be paying for something that affects a tiny percentage of the population.
I work in a major hospital and I'm always waiting for the mayhem to happen, bodies piling up etc, well, I'm still waiting. No more people are dying in our hospitals than usual.
Meanwhile we are overwhelmed with suicidal people and many other very important health issues. The bigger picture will be felt in the coming year/s, and we will all be asking why.
But it is seriously frowned upon to even think like that within the health service and you would probably be accused of spreading misinformation. Why? I wish I knew.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8590 - 21/03/2021 19:56:25
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Replying To realdub: "Yes I am something similar to yourself. Too big a price to be paying for something that affects a tiny percentage of the population.
I work in a major hospital and I'm always waiting for the mayhem to happen, bodies piling up etc, well, I'm still waiting. No more people are dying in our hospitals than usual.
Meanwhile we are overwhelmed with suicidal people and many other very important health issues. The bigger picture will be felt in the coming year/s, and we will all be asking why.
But it is seriously frowned upon to even think like that within the health service and you would probably be accused of spreading misinformation. Why? I wish I knew." Rage and hysteria are the twin pillars of 21st century morality.
It's just not the done thing to say, "this virus, it's really not that bad" or "the media are using every trick in the book to over hype this virus" . You'd be accused no doubt of being a conspiracy theorist or of not caring.
It's also given comfortable, privileged 1st worlders an opportunity to think their heroes.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 21/03/2021 20:39:17
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Replying To realdub: "Yes I am something similar to yourself. Too big a price to be paying for something that affects a tiny percentage of the population.
I work in a major hospital and I'm always waiting for the mayhem to happen, bodies piling up etc, well, I'm still waiting. No more people are dying in our hospitals than usual.
Meanwhile we are overwhelmed with suicidal people and many other very important health issues. The bigger picture will be felt in the coming year/s, and we will all be asking why.
But it is seriously frowned upon to even think like that within the health service and you would probably be accused of spreading misinformation. Why? I wish I knew." The majority of people will take advice and direction that is in their interest for so long, without definitive proof or results. However if you are going to keep chipping away at that co-operation by the constant barrage of telling us that the 1% of idiots are the reason for the virus continuing, then we are going to start pushing back. Number one you are admitting that you can not control that minority or you are putting up a smoke screen because you have no answers.
Where I go I see nothing only 100% compliance with regulation. I am not saying that there is not these random parties but dealt with it and stop p-ssing in my cereal.
As you mentioned mental health. It would be in the government interest to get the GAA up and going. If that means they have to invest the money to have every player tested ongoing. All involved are in the work place and schools so you are gaining benefit there also. This elite sports people is a joke when it comes to part time soccer player who are in the work place. The argument that the clubs are paying to have them tested ? Half the time these clubs won't pay them their wages because they don't have the money. Way too much hypocrisy going on. The other argument I hear is there are too many GAA players. So you are going penalize the individuals because they are part of a bigger organization. So does it not follow that there will be a larger mental health problem.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 21/03/2021 21:43:11
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Replying To MicktheMiller: "Last year there was a sense that we are all in this together, that consensus has long gone. Living in rural Ireland, I am more than 5 km from the nearest town. It is the same throughout rural Ireland, the 5 km, rule is fine in cities,where services and shops are accessible.
To suggest we spend all of this year locked down, for some promise of deliverance, doesn't wash with me. NPHET and the Government have no solution other than continuing lockdown.
If the vaccination programme could be guaranteed delivery to everyone, there might be some respite.
I can see no definite Government plan to end lockdown, other than kite flying. In 2020, the caretaker government had a plan to end lockdown, and it worked. Maybe time to give Leo and Simon Harris the role again." The 5km rule only applies to exercise though, it has nothing to do with shops or services. You can drive 100km to a shop/school/doctor if it's the closest one to you.
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 21/03/2021 21:54:23
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Replying To Galway9801: "Rage and hysteria are the twin pillars of 21st century morality.
It's just not the done thing to say, "this virus, it's really not that bad" or "the media are using every trick in the book to over hype this virus" . You'd be accused no doubt of being a conspiracy theorist or of not caring.
It's also given comfortable, privileged 1st worlders an opportunity to think their heroes." It's not that bad because we have been doing what we are told (well vast majority of us). I think you forget the scenes from Italy last year.
Say we ploughed on at Christmas...didn't shut anything down. How do you think the "not that bad" virus would be looking now?
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 21/03/2021 23:09:17
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Replying To MesAmis: "You are allowed travel beyond 5km to go to the shops etc.
In saying that the 5km rule does seem silly in terms of exercise. The 5km radius probably just about covers a lot of towns across the country. That means that, under the guidelines, the entire town can only exercise in the town rather than allowing people to disperse into the surrounding countryside.
Personally the 5km radius hasn't bothered me but I still don't really see the logic to it." In Dublin 5K has compressed thousands into every available green space. Apparently 450k people live within 5k of Phoenix Park and thevpowers that be moan about congregating etc. I do my exercise in Dublin city centre not a soul about like 28 days later. Yet people in suburbs are stuffed into tight spaces. We are paying a huge price for surrendering our civil liberties and the result is still rising numbers. There are more coffee outlets opening than people being vaccinated. They also can tell us how many people fined, shebeens busted but they cannot tell us after 13 months why the numbers are now rising. The only numbers that matter now are the number of jabs in arms.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 21/03/2021 23:53:42
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Replying To arock: "In Dublin 5K has compressed thousands into every available green space. Apparently 450k people live within 5k of Phoenix Park and thevpowers that be moan about congregating etc. I do my exercise in Dublin city centre not a soul about like 28 days later. Yet people in suburbs are stuffed into tight spaces. We are paying a huge price for surrendering our civil liberties and the result is still rising numbers. There are more coffee outlets opening than people being vaccinated. They also can tell us how many people fined, shebeens busted but they cannot tell us after 13 months why the numbers are now rising. The only numbers that matter now are the number of jabs in arms." Well said, I agree with that. I think that if cases are plateauing, and we can hopefully keep hospitalizations and deaths minimized, then there has to be some sort of careful easing of restrictions. Vaccines are working, the R number in Israel has dropped significantly in parallel with their aggressive vaccine rollout for example. This means that cases have decoupled from (lagged) deaths. This is excellent news, but if we keep worrying about cases per se we won't know it.
We should focus specifically on when our hospitalization numbers go below the lowest point they reached since this began. And then never go back up. Underpinning all this of course, is the EU, Astra-Zeneca and our government getting the finger out and sorting out the supply issues as a matter of utmost priority.
The more jabs that go in arms the more the government should be simultaneously drafting a timetable of restriction removals. Give us some sort of targets to aim for and I guarantee the current levels of frustration & anger will ease, even a little.
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