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Replying To updwell: "In fairness that's the least the Brits could do as they have taken about 10 million vaccines from the EU and not aloud 1 shot of the vaccines in Europe. When I see the Taoiseach this evening saying we shouldn't ban Vaccines sales from the EU to GB it would make your blood boil and we can see why Ireland will be the last place in Europe to be vaccinated. It's time for the government to start pulling it's weight and not throwing everything on to the people to restrict our actions. 3 more months of this lockdown will just be ignored by people because our leadership is totally inept." They do owe us a favour or two tbf.... ;)
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 22/03/2021 22:22:28
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Replying To Oldtourman: "I would not get over pushed about how GB handled the crises. They have over 125, 000 dead from Covid and that is two to one per capita in comparison to the Republic, and there are serious questions being asked if the numbers are not actually higher. and before you mention population density, Holland has more than two to one of a higher population density than GB and that have about half the number per capita also dead from the condition." You say handled as if the crisis is over, it's far from over. Look at the overall picture, like it or not, right now the UK is leading the world in saving lives, not huddled around the tele waiting to see how many are dead today and is there any sign of the pubs opening or GAA starting. Ireland needs to start waking up, fast.
We know there are issues with supply of the vaccine in the EU, but that's the hanger Ireland hung it's coat on. That doesn't excuse the total hames Ireland made of tracking and tracing , I mean Ireland still hasn't even a quarantine programme in place, too slow and sleepy as usual. They were crying for the professionals to come home and help but at the end of the the day they only hired a couple of hundred people, and those jobs were in the main filled internally.
I wouldn't advise anyone to return to that shambles of a place or you'll end up regretting it.
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Replying To AfricanGael: "You say handled as if the crisis is over, it's far from over. Look at the overall picture, like it or not, right now the UK is leading the world in saving lives, not huddled around the tele waiting to see how many are dead today and is there any sign of the pubs opening or GAA starting. Ireland needs to start waking up, fast.
We know there are issues with supply of the vaccine in the EU, but that's the hanger Ireland hung it's coat on. That doesn't excuse the total hames Ireland made of tracking and tracing , I mean Ireland still hasn't even a quarantine programme in place, too slow and sleepy as usual. They were crying for the professionals to come home and help but at the end of the the day they only hired a couple of hundred people, and those jobs were in the main filled internally.
I wouldn't advise anyone to return to that shambles of a place or you'll end up regretting it." Look AG, as a retired nurse, I know the crises is not over and will not be over until the World's entire population is inoculated. Then we will wait and see how effective these inoculations are etc, etc. I can tell you there was a BBC 2 programme last night and I can assure you the British based experts were a long way from happy with how their Government handled the crises. Experts were also interviewed in Sweden, the place they sneered at lock downs, depending on Swedish Exceptionalism to save them. That policy is now recognised by the Swedes themselves as a disaster. BTW, how is the vaccine programme where you are now
I agree with you on how the professionals were treated- that was a disgrace. But then of course if ordinary public servants get a salary increase we have exorbitantly paid journalists giving out yards about it, so is it any wonder many young Irish trained professionals do not want to stay here anyway.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 23/03/2021 12:13:03
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Look AG, as a retired nurse, I know the crises is not over and will not be over until the World's entire population is inoculated. Then we will wait and see how effective these inoculations are etc, etc. I can tell you there was a BBC 2 programme last night and I can assure you the British based experts were a long way from happy with how their Government handled the crises. Experts were also interviewed in Sweden, the place they sneered at lock downs, depending on Swedish Exceptionalism to save them. That policy is now recognised by the Swedes themselves as a disaster. BTW, how is the vaccine programme where you are now
I agree with you on how the professionals were treated- that was a disgrace. But then of course if ordinary public servants get a salary increase we have exorbitantly paid journalists giving out yards about it, so is it any wonder many young Irish trained professionals do not want to stay here anyway." Glad you agree with me.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 23/03/2021 12:36:02
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Look AG, as a retired nurse, I know the crises is not over and will not be over until the World's entire population is inoculated. Then we will wait and see how effective these inoculations are etc, etc. I can tell you there was a BBC 2 programme last night and I can assure you the British based experts were a long way from happy with how their Government handled the crises. Experts were also interviewed in Sweden, the place they sneered at lock downs, depending on Swedish Exceptionalism to save them. That policy is now recognised by the Swedes themselves as a disaster. BTW, how is the vaccine programme where you are now
I agree with you on how the professionals were treated- that was a disgrace. But then of course if ordinary public servants get a salary increase we have exorbitantly paid journalists giving out yards about it, so is it any wonder many young Irish trained professionals do not want to stay here anyway." You say the swedes themselves have recognised its a disaster,, who are you quoting exactly?
The entire nation?
As I write this sweden has still not gone into lockdown, restrictions have, quite rightly, been imposed that weren't there before and infection rates have come down and I'm pretty sure the constitution has also been altered to allow for lockdowns (it was illegal for the government to impose these restrictions before covid), but they still haven't taken that step.
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Replying To Galway9801: "You say the swedes themselves have recognised its a disaster,, who are you quoting exactly?
The entire nation?
As I write this sweden has still not gone into lockdown, restrictions have, quite rightly, been imposed that weren't there before and infection rates have come down and I'm pretty sure the constitution has also been altered to allow for lockdowns (it was illegal for the government to impose these restrictions before covid), but they still haven't taken that step." I was watching a BBC programme last night, which featured a number of Swedish contributors.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 23/03/2021 18:08:43
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Replying To Galway9801: "You say the swedes themselves have recognised its a disaster,, who are you quoting exactly?
The entire nation?
As I write this sweden has still not gone into lockdown, restrictions have, quite rightly, been imposed that weren't there before and infection rates have come down and I'm pretty sure the constitution has also been altered to allow for lockdowns (it was illegal for the government to impose these restrictions before covid), but they still haven't taken that step." I was watching a BBC programme last night, which featured a number of Swedish contributors It said they had ten times the level of infection of other Nordic countries. The Government spokesmen interviewed were clearly on the back foot.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 23/03/2021 18:10:18
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Replying To Galway9801: "You say the swedes themselves have recognised its a disaster,, who are you quoting exactly?
The entire nation?
As I write this sweden has still not gone into lockdown, restrictions have, quite rightly, been imposed that weren't there before and infection rates have come down and I'm pretty sure the constitution has also been altered to allow for lockdowns (it was illegal for the government to impose these restrictions before covid), but they still haven't taken that step." I just checked the number of Swedish casualties. They have 8 for every five deaths per capita that we have. Not as bad as the British death rates, but still well worse that Irelands and remember the Swedes pride themselves on being a very responsible people, who would follow the rules.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 23/03/2021 18:18:09
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Replying To Oldtourman: "I just checked the number of Swedish casualties. They have 8 for every five deaths per capita that we have. Not as bad as the British death rates, but still well worse that Irelands and remember the Swedes pride themselves on being a very responsible people, who would follow the rules." But surely if that BBC editorial you watched looked hard enough they would have been able to find swedes who favoured the non lockdown route?
In any event I agree with your point generally. The decision to pretty much carry on as normal was irresponsible and was bound to produce a higher death rate.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1698 - 23/03/2021 19:09:31
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Replying To Galway9801: "But surely if that BBC editorial you watched looked hard enough they would have been able to find swedes who favoured the non lockdown route?
In any event I agree with your point generally. The decision to pretty much carry on as normal was irresponsible and was bound to produce a higher death rate." I know you said they had a government minister in, but perhaps a medical professional would have added to the debate,, these ministers can't tell their ears from their elbows sometimes lol
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1698 - 23/03/2021 19:48:58
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You got all the letters in the wrong order there, fella.
lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 24/03/2021 10:47:40
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Another vaccine PR disaster with the Beacon hospital. Jesus there is nothing in this country that can be done right/straight.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 26/03/2021 13:04:50
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Another vaccine PR disaster with the Beacon hospital. Jesus there is nothing in this country that can be done right/straight." Hardly the worst of indiscretions. Better that they were used up than thrown out as happened in one private nursing home at the start of the roll out. Teachers at least are frontline workers and arguably should be higher on the sequencing list than they have been put. If it was the HSE not following their own guidelines it would be something to complain about but a private company doing a bit of a solo run, though not helpful, is hardly something that can be put in the category of " there is nothing in this country that can be done right/straight"
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 26/03/2021 13:37:05
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It is not straight,why the private fee paying schools teachers..from what I know there are schools a lot closer but are not fee paying?this is rotten and again is a case of them and others..this is why people are completely browned off during this lockdown..I'd love to be on a list and bumped up from 11th place to 4..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2206 - 26/03/2021 13:48:20
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Replying To CTGAA10: "It is not straight,why the private fee paying schools teachers..from what I know there are schools a lot closer but are not fee paying?this is rotten and again is a case of them and others..this is why people are completely browned off during this lockdown..I'd love to be on a list and bumped up from 11th place to 4.." Fair enough, but blame it on the private company not on "the country". You cannot blame the public service for a private sector indiscretion. This is what can happen in a two tier health system.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 26/03/2021 14:06:47
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Hardly the worst of indiscretions. Better that they were used up than thrown out as happened in one private nursing home at the start of the roll out. Teachers at least are frontline workers and arguably should be higher on the sequencing list than they have been put. If it was the HSE not following their own guidelines it would be something to complain about but a private company doing a bit of a solo run, though not helpful, is hardly something that can be put in the category of " there is nothing in this country that can be done right/straight"" I agree with you to an extent. I'm glad none of the vaccines went to waste. But it is indicative of the type of thinking that goes on at the, shall we say, more entitled levels in this country. I wonder did does the CEO of Beacon hospital have any children due to receive a predicted Leaving Cert grade?
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 26/03/2021 15:14:45
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Fair enough, but blame it on the private company not on "the country". You cannot blame the public service for a private sector indiscretion. This is what can happen in a two tier health system." Something similar has happened in 3 public hospitals and in all cases there were lots of other more appropriate options available. In other incidents HSE clerical staff got the vaccination before nurses/frontline workers. Some folk have entitlements and know how to look after themselves-good management!!.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 26/03/2021 16:56:39
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Hardly the worst of indiscretions. Better that they were used up than thrown out as happened in one private nursing home at the start of the roll out. Teachers at least are frontline workers and arguably should be higher on the sequencing list than they have been put. If it was the HSE not following their own guidelines it would be something to complain about but a private company doing a bit of a solo run, though not helpful, is hardly something that can be put in the category of " there is nothing in this country that can be done right/straight"" This was a private company operating for the privileged who took highly valued and much sought after public property which was intended for vurnerable people and was given to to the teachers of a rich fee paying rugby school. Are we that timid and down trodden as a people that we find this ok and just shrug our shoulders. They were right not to waste the vaccines but giving them to this group of people is only slightly better.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 816 - 26/03/2021 18:14:56
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Another vaccine PR disaster with the Beacon hospital. Jesus there is nothing in this country that can be done right/straight.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7180 - 26/03/2021 13:04:50 terrible PR considering they passed multiple schools on the way to give gerards teachers the vaccines.
Hardly the worst of indiscretions. Better that they were used up than thrown out as happened in one private nursing home at the start of the roll out. Teachers at least are frontline workers and arguably should be higher on the sequencing list than they have been put. If it was the HSE not following their own guidelines it would be something to complain about but a private company doing a bit of a solo run, though not helpful, is hardly something that can be put in the category of " there is nothing in this country that can be done right/straight"
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1492 - 26/03/2021 13:37:05 it is in the context when multiple schools were much closer than gerards.
This was a private company operating for the privileged who took highly valued and much sought after public property which was intended for vurnerable people and was given to to the teachers of a rich fee paying rugby school. Are we that timid and down trodden as a people that we find this ok and just shrug our shoulders. They were right not to waste the vaccines but giving them to this group of people is only slightly better.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 442 - 26/03/2021 18:14:56 what does rugby have to do with this? Why even mention rugby in this context?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3495 - 26/03/2021 21:08:09
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Replying To KillingFields: "Another vaccine PR disaster with the Beacon hospital. Jesus there is nothing in this country that can be done right/straight.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7180 - 26/03/2021 13:04:50 terrible PR considering they passed multiple schools on the way to give gerards teachers the vaccines.
Hardly the worst of indiscretions. Better that they were used up than thrown out as happened in one private nursing home at the start of the roll out. Teachers at least are frontline workers and arguably should be higher on the sequencing list than they have been put. If it was the HSE not following their own guidelines it would be something to complain about but a private company doing a bit of a solo run, though not helpful, is hardly something that can be put in the category of " there is nothing in this country that can be done right/straight"
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1492 - 26/03/2021 13:37:05 it is in the context when multiple schools were much closer than gerards.
This was a private company operating for the privileged who took highly valued and much sought after public property which was intended for vurnerable people and was given to to the teachers of a rich fee paying rugby school. Are we that timid and down trodden as a people that we find this ok and just shrug our shoulders. They were right not to waste the vaccines but giving them to this group of people is only slightly better.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 442 - 26/03/2021 18:14:56 what does rugby have to do with this? Why even mention rugby in this context?" terrible PR considering they passed multiple schools on the way to give gerards teachers the vaccines.
The teachers went to the Beacon. That's where they received the Vaccine. They traveled to the centre not the other way round.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 26/03/2021 21:47:23
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