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The Corona Virus And Possible Effects To GAA Matches

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Replying To zinny:  "Neither can you compare Sweden with Ireland. Compare it to Norway and see if it worked even if you take into account the population difference. And exactly what worked? a lot of difference between Norway and Sweden was one was compulsory and the other largely voluntary. They still did have legal restrictions but not as much as Norway. On an economic front did Sweden do any better than Norway - well no. However there are a lot of factors at play even when comparing those two. Trying to use Sweden as an example is an excuse to try and doubt the science behind the virus and use it as an excuse to do nothing."
the swedes nature and cooperation with regulation is completely different to Ireland so it isnt comparable.

The lockdown was right and the government are being very cautious. Whats wrong with that?
Would you rather the alternative. Earlier lifting of restrictions and more deaths?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1217 - 08/09/2020 14:47:07    2291136

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Sweden are the only country who adopted that policy where it worked. The UK tried it and failed miserably.
So its ok to let far more die so economy can be better?
Suicide is horrendous but to just blame the government is nonsense.
The pub industry isnt fooked. And i say this as someone who's worked a huge amount in bars/pub industry the industry had to evolve anyway
This virus doesnt completely affect children but they can carry covid and bring it back to their parents/older family/grandparents who are far more susceptible so why allow that happen?"
Yes its more Important to get the economy back on track and to get the services for mental health back up and running. Amount of people who have died in this country from covid ALONE - 100
I rest my case.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1274 - 08/09/2020 15:05:54    2291140

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Replying To lilypad:  "Yes its more Important to get the economy back on track and to get the services for mental health back up and running. Amount of people who have died in this country from covid ALONE - 100
I rest my case."
The mental health services can come back and you still have restrictions around covid. We are entering into winter months where covid will increase again. You need to get back towards 'normal' however its going to be a 'new normal'.

You can work towards getting the economy stronger while still having limitations to reduce the risk of covid hurting more people.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1217 - 08/09/2020 15:48:57    2291147

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Replying To lilypad:  "Yes its more Important to get the economy back on track and to get the services for mental health back up and running. Amount of people who have died in this country from covid ALONE - 100
I rest my case."
I see you believe nonsense thats posted on Facebook. You're completely wrong. Read the link below

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KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1217 - 08/09/2020 16:18:28    2291157

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To go a bit further on that nonsense that only 100 died from Covid


The graphic that is represented as evidence that only 100 people died from Covid in Ireland is nonsense and an insult to those who died, their relatives and friends and to all the health workers risking their own lives to help them. The truth is that the graphic is exactly what the science predicted. The most at risk were firstly, but not solely, those with underlying illnesses and the elderly. That was always the stated reason for the lock down. Nothing new or sinister about this. On top of those underlying illnesses, Covid killed all 1777. They died because of Covid. No subterfuge at play here just ranting nonsense of people with big opinions matched only by their lack of understanding of the nature and threat of the virus.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1217 - 08/09/2020 16:34:55    2291159

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I see or great government whom make up rules as they go along have conveniently set the reopening date for public houses for the day after a lot of county finals are played.

If people are allowed indoors to drink on September 21st then supporters should be allowed to attend matches outdoors right now but it seems like we'll have to watch live streams of county finals now instead of attending.

ispeakwisdom (Roscommon) - Posts: 2380 - 08/09/2020 16:57:14    2291168

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "With the news that pubs will be allowed reopen before the end of the month does that put pressure on the GAA to lobby the government to allow some supporters into matches?"
Think the 307 cases probably put a end to that. Also wouldn't be surprised if the pups didn't open up. Perhaps the ones opened at moment might be closed. Not looking good

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16643 - 08/09/2020 20:28:22    2291197

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Replying To lilypad:  "Yes its more Important to get the economy back on track and to get the services for mental health back up and running. Amount of people who have died in this country from covid ALONE - 100
I rest my case."
40, 000+ here in the UK. 200,000+ in the USA. Hard times all around. It puts things in perspective. For a while there, it seemed totally out of order even to talk about sport. Here's hoping that a vaccine is found soon. If the GAA has a late flowering this year, great. If it doesn't then I think we can all manage.

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 544 - 08/09/2020 20:30:08    2291198

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Think the 307 cases probably put a end to that. Also wouldn't be surprised if the pups didn't open up. Perhaps the ones opened at moment might be closed. Not looking good"
More than half of today's reported figure is from previous days testings. The weekly number and how many tests are carried out give a better idea than daily numbers. Hospital and ICU numbers is the most important and keeping the death rate as low as possible.

Opening up pups is a cruel practice. Pubs on the other hand will likely depend on how stable the weekly numbers are by September 21st.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 2717 - 08/09/2020 22:08:05    2291220

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Replying To lilypad:  "Yes its more Important to get the economy back on track and to get the services for mental health back up and running. Amount of people who have died in this country from covid ALONE - 100
I rest my case."
u REALLY are not the brightest bulb are u bite? bless u

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 1849 - 08/09/2020 23:10:11    2291230

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With what we now know I dont think any country would do what we all did. GAA and sport is a godsend though as is culture and the arts, they keep us sane. I dont think we will do lock downs anymore, they have learned that folly well. But hopefully we have a GAA in Autumn and winter. But just on figures, the new cases are largely irrelevant, it is the deaths that matter. All across Europe numbers are rising but deaths are low, so we are learning. Now it is a cruel thing to say someone was going to die anyway and therefore Covid didnt kill them, in otherwords they dont count. So bear in mind if I have 5 days to live and I am knocked down and killed by a car, it is a car that killed me. Also it takes a week for a death notification to be submitted and up to 28 days further for a death cert to be issued, so any deaths you hear are not recent. I do hope what passes for govt realise the economic consequences for the path they have taken has been an unmitigated disaster.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4367 - 08/09/2020 23:43:30    2291235

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Think the 307 cases probably put a end to that. Also wouldn't be surprised if the pups didn't open up. Perhaps the ones opened at moment might be closed. Not looking good"
The usual Tuesday spike as weekend test results catch up. . .best as others have said to look at the overall weekly or fortnightly figures and pay more attention to hospitalised/ICU cases

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3899 - 09/09/2020 08:15:14    2291242

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Replying To KillingFields:  "To go a bit further on that nonsense that only 100 died from Covid


The graphic that is represented as evidence that only 100 people died from Covid in Ireland is nonsense and an insult to those who died, their relatives and friends and to all the health workers risking their own lives to help them. The truth is that the graphic is exactly what the science predicted. The most at risk were firstly, but not solely, those with underlying illnesses and the elderly. That was always the stated reason for the lock down. Nothing new or sinister about this. On top of those underlying illnesses, Covid killed all 1777. They died because of Covid. No subterfuge at play here just ranting nonsense of people with big opinions matched only by their lack of understanding of the nature and threat of the virus."
Well said. It is truly amazing the amount of experts who have emerged in our time of crisis. I mean, Dr Glynn, Paul Reid, Dr Holohan etc needn't have bothered spending years of their lives studying for and acquiring their qualifications. Not when hard, bullet proof medical facts were so readily and easily accessible through Facebook and the likes.

Another example is the idea that Bill Gates is some sort of Illuminatti/Lizard person. Imagine Bill - You spend 30 years of your life and the guts of $50 billion of your own dollars supporting humanitarian causes. You directly save hundreds of thousands of lives in South East Asia by providing anti malaria netting to half of a continent. You drop infant mortality rates throughout the entire developing world by funding vaccine programs including vaccinating 40,000,000 children for polio, and, amongst a plethora of philanthropic endeavors, you fund free educational platforms like Khan Academy so people can have free access to high quality education. Arguably doing more to better life on earth for humanity than any other human being to ever live.

Then after donating half of your wealth to charity and pledging 90% of the remainder to charity in your will.....

You then hop on the internet only to find a million scientifically illiterate imbeciles that are using the very computers you pretty much invented in the first place to call you a child murdering arch villain anti-christ because they watched a YouTube video made by some other yokel with the comprehension of a duck..

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6942 - 09/09/2020 09:18:22    2291246

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Well said. It is truly amazing the amount of experts who have emerged in our time of crisis. I mean, Dr Glynn, Paul Reid, Dr Holohan etc needn't have bothered spending years of their lives studying for and acquiring their qualifications. Not when hard, bullet proof medical facts were so readily and easily accessible through Facebook and the likes.

Another example is the idea that Bill Gates is some sort of Illuminatti/Lizard person. Imagine Bill - You spend 30 years of your life and the guts of $50 billion of your own dollars supporting humanitarian causes. You directly save hundreds of thousands of lives in South East Asia by providing anti malaria netting to half of a continent. You drop infant mortality rates throughout the entire developing world by funding vaccine programs including vaccinating 40,000,000 children for polio, and, amongst a plethora of philanthropic endeavors, you fund free educational platforms like Khan Academy so people can have free access to high quality education. Arguably doing more to better life on earth for humanity than any other human being to ever live.

Then after donating half of your wealth to charity and pledging 90% of the remainder to charity in your will.....

You then hop on the internet only to find a million scientifically illiterate imbeciles that are using the very computers you pretty much invented in the first place to call you a child murdering arch villain anti-christ because they watched a YouTube video made by some other yokel with the comprehension of a duck.."
As much as I agree with the sentiment, I don't think defending billionaire Bill Gates is the way to win people over. I'm on the side of scientists and academics, but philanthropy in the manner of the Gates and other billionaires is not an inherently good thing and there are many valid criticisms.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 143 - 09/09/2020 13:41:24    2291294

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "As much as I agree with the sentiment, I don't think defending billionaire Bill Gates is the way to win people over. I'm on the side of scientists and academics, but philanthropy in the manner of the Gates and other billionaires is not an inherently good thing and there are many valid criticisms."
Yes I can accept the theory around Big Philanthropy and the Charity paradox. Cynics will say that Gates is only doing it because of the huge tax breaks on offer, the embellishment of his reputation and it gives him massive influence in shaping public policy. But if millions of poor children in under developed countries are benefiting and the chances of a virus vaccine being discovered are increased...

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6942 - 09/09/2020 14:08:23    2291300

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "As much as I agree with the sentiment, I don't think defending billionaire Bill Gates is the way to win people over. I'm on the side of scientists and academics, but philanthropy in the manner of the Gates and other billionaires is not an inherently good thing and there are many valid criticisms."
Why because you can't or won't recognize the good a person has done. Good old Irish begruderism alive and well. The so called valid criticisms on the internet are from people in the same vein who like to spread lies. These people would be the same if Jesus arrived on the scene.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 859 - 09/09/2020 14:22:54    2291305

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Replying To Canuck:  "Why because you can't or won't recognize the good a person has done. Good old Irish begruderism alive and well. The so called valid criticisms on the internet are from people in the same vein who like to spread lies. These people would be the same if Jesus arrived on the scene."
One can recognize the good that an individual can do whilst also recognizing how that power is afforded to them and the influence that that power holds. In general tax cuts result in rises in distribution of assets from the mega-wealthy. This makes them seem noble, but usually this is paid for indirectly by the tax payer.

Gates is richer today than he was when retired 20 years ago and started giving away his money. There's been two recessions since then.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 143 - 09/09/2020 14:58:51    2291316

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Well said. It is truly amazing the amount of experts who have emerged in our time of crisis. I mean, Dr Glynn, Paul Reid, Dr Holohan etc needn't have bothered spending years of their lives studying for and acquiring their qualifications. Not when hard, bullet proof medical facts were so readily and easily accessible through Facebook and the likes.

Another example is the idea that Bill Gates is some sort of Illuminatti/Lizard person. Imagine Bill - You spend 30 years of your life and the guts of $50 billion of your own dollars supporting humanitarian causes. You directly save hundreds of thousands of lives in South East Asia by providing anti malaria netting to half of a continent. You drop infant mortality rates throughout the entire developing world by funding vaccine programs including vaccinating 40,000,000 children for polio, and, amongst a plethora of philanthropic endeavors, you fund free educational platforms like Khan Academy so people can have free access to high quality education. Arguably doing more to better life on earth for humanity than any other human being to ever live.

Then after donating half of your wealth to charity and pledging 90% of the remainder to charity in your will.....

You then hop on the internet only to find a million scientifically illiterate imbeciles that are using the very computers you pretty much invented in the first place to call you a child murdering arch villain anti-christ because they watched a YouTube video made by some other yokel with the comprehension of a duck.."
The problem for most academics be they scientists or humanities, i=s for centuries they had the data and information all to themsleves under their lock and key, information was king. To the point that we hardly know our own histories and yes there are alternative viewpoints and histories and medicines. I will always err on the side of science, but I do know that it wasn't ignorance that built the atomic bomb, nor the terrible immunisation disasters that were done even when it was known the damage they caused. Trust is a big word, you earn it, but out in the great blue world of the internet, there are many viewpoints. The problem for Catholics is, priests interpret the word of god for you, protestants inform themselves, in relation to science I will inform myself.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4367 - 09/09/2020 15:19:39    2291319

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Replying To arock:  "The problem for most academics be they scientists or humanities, i=s for centuries they had the data and information all to themsleves under their lock and key, information was king. To the point that we hardly know our own histories and yes there are alternative viewpoints and histories and medicines. I will always err on the side of science, but I do know that it wasn't ignorance that built the atomic bomb, nor the terrible immunisation disasters that were done even when it was known the damage they caused. Trust is a big word, you earn it, but out in the great blue world of the internet, there are many viewpoints. The problem for Catholics is, priests interpret the word of god for you, protestants inform themselves, in relation to science I will inform myself."
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Here's a Meath man's take on the difference between Catholics and Protestants.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5802 - 09/09/2020 17:01:42    2291329

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "One can recognize the good that an individual can do whilst also recognizing how that power is afforded to them and the influence that that power holds. In general tax cuts result in rises in distribution of assets from the mega-wealthy. This makes them seem noble, but usually this is paid for indirectly by the tax payer.

Gates is richer today than he was when retired 20 years ago and started giving away his money. There's been two recessions since then."
The problem I have SurelyToGod is that if Gates never arrived on the scene how many millions of people that his wealth have helped would be worse off or dead today. Let alone the amount of people his entrepreneurship has provided jobs for. Not accusing you of it but it seems to be a human trait to try and pull down someone who is successful and also yes charitable. Chipping away at a persons character and pretending to have an incite into their intentions in an attempt to pull them down is rampant in to days world.
If power is used to influence for the good is that not okay ? I don't see the significance of he being richer today that when he retired. His money alone invested would do that. He is giving it away for the good of humanity and yes he does not seem noble for his generosity. He is noble.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 859 - 09/09/2020 18:05:07    2291335

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