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I don't see the point of American style cross over games in a group stage. If teams have to play teams outside their conference then why have conferences at all
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 30/01/2020 17:12:47 2263826 Link 0 |
Yeah it is just fine. I just think it could be better. The Provincial championships can actually be built into the wider All Ireland very easily if necessary. Bedding in of players can be tested in championship too. Maybe against a weaker team at some point. Maybe as part of some rotation in the line up. There'd be 11 games, no one game is going to be the making or breaking of a season, there's room for a degree of trial and error. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 30/01/2020 17:37:20 2263829 Link 7 |
The provincial championship is already integrated into the all Ireland. Just ask anyone from Galway, Carlow, Clare or Waterford
Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 30/01/2020 18:35:35 2263837 Link 1 |
Yes, you don't have to lose that. You can add games to that though.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 30/01/2020 19:21:01 2263850 Link 7 |
I personally don't see why you think we need to add more games to an already congested calendar
Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 30/01/2020 19:53:18 2263863 Link 0 |
There are enough games
Tadhgmacda (Limerick) - Posts: 99 - 30/01/2020 19:58:57 2263864 Link 0 |
Theres room for more games with better scheduling.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 30/01/2020 20:15:49 2263868 Link 7 |
It would be better to split emerging teams among the provinces. I'd ditch the provincial finals. The top placed team are the provincial champions and receive a bye to the semi-finals. The 2nd and 3rd placed teams go into the quarter-finals. The provincial champions have a two week break at most. The League should revert to the previous format. That gives the weaker teams competitive games and the stronger teams to blood new players against eachother. Most of the counties couldn't care less about developing hurling. That shows in their actions. There are few exceptions. Sligo comes to mind. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 30/01/2020 21:14:52 2263879 Link 0 |
Going only by this forum youde swear that the prov finals were some barely attended widely reviled nonsense rather than the truth which is they are huge well attended much loved events on the Irish sporting calender
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 30/01/2020 21:51:51 2263888 Link 3 |
Agreed, all any of these suggestions do is water down the quality of the championship. Leave it alone. It's working fine. All it needs is another week rest added in to ensure noone plays three weeks in a row.
Tadhgmacda (Limerick) - Posts: 99 - 30/01/2020 22:56:54 2263901 Link 0 |
Max 12 matches req'd. Teams guaranteed 8 matches via 8v8 (already includes Prov QFs, SFs, Final). Max 4 KO rds from a 12-team KO. Spread the 12 matches over the 26-week interval March-August. Very manageable. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2531 - 30/01/2020 23:03:58 2263904 Link 0 |
For those of you who are wedded to traditional round robin groups (re-copied from page 7 omahant (USA) - Posts: 2531 - 30/01/2020 23:23:27 2263909 Link 0 |
Why would they water down the quality of the championship? You'd still have the top teams going toe to toe playing more big matches. There was a fear before the Provincial round robins that there wouldn't be the cut and thrust of knockout championship and that more matches would mean less interest per game. The opposite has happened. More games, more good quality games has only heightened the excitement levels. Games between teams are showing increased attendances in the Provincial groups compared to the old system. People like watching games, players like playing games, games are the best advertisement going for the sport. There's a weird thing in the GAA where we're scared of playing games of meaning. We'll have a tonne of shadow boxing but we can't have too much real stuff. There's good evidence that people want more real games. I'd love to see Tipp v Kilkenny in the championship guaranteed to play each other every year. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 31/01/2020 10:02:58 2263932 Link 7 |
" traditional round robin groups" they have been in place for 2 years what tradition?
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 31/01/2020 20:57:22 2264073 Link 0 |
I meant in the wider sense - e.g. World Cup groups etc.. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2531 - 01/02/2020 00:06:17 2264101 Link 0 |
..as opposed to my inter-group or other uncommon structures. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2531 - 01/02/2020 00:17:35 2264102 Link 0 |
He's talking about round robins generally as a tournament format rather than specifically the Munster and Leinster round robins.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 01/02/2020 05:28:02 2264110 Link 6 |
To complete the story....16 teams outside the top 4 in each Prov play 2 seeded KO rds to determine the Last 4 who complete the 4 groups of 5. Other 12 could play a Tier 2, if desired. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2531 - 03/02/2020 23:04:15 2264978 Link 0 |
I personally am still baffled as to why people think the current system should be so drastically altered. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 04/02/2020 00:52:36 2264990 Link 0 |
The Provincial system doesn't suit well. You have 6 in each Province but Kerry probably aren't as good as the 7th best team that would be in Leinster. The Leinster championship isn't the Leinster championship, it's the All Ireland minus Munster. I'd just think 12 teams and the best 12 teams should be in the top tier All Ireland. I think the NHL is a bit silly now. So there's room for more games in the hurling round robin. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 04/02/2020 10:25:11 2265022 Link 7 |