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Limerick V Kilkenny

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Replying To ballydalane:  "I'd agree that it's one of the weaker teams of the Cody era, perhaps the weakest his had in terms of raw talent, but I've never ever seen one of his teams give up in matches the way Cork have done umpteen times this decade in Croke Park.

I tipped Cork to beat us, I seriously overrated your lot, we were so much better than ye I couldn't believe it."
Despite winning 2 out of the last 3 Munster Championships I would regard this Cork side as the weakest since 1994-1997. The best way to contain this side is not to foul their forwards as a part from Patrick Horgan the rest go missing when the going gets physical. This Cork team are way too soft and deserved to get beaten. They got walked all over by Tipp, Clare and Kilkenny and are not in the top 4 teams in the country. There is a lot more to hurling than the tippy tappy game Cork play. Cork have the skills but need to man up before an All Ireland will be won

The_Bull (Cork) - Posts: 248 - 28/07/2019 23:28:56    2217931

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "Look decisions level themselfs out over the course of s game that's sport kk were there for taking limerick didn't turn up and deserved to lose lesson learned for next year move on next game end of"
That is the problem. Decisions should not level out but be called on the rules and the last player to touch the ball out of play dictates the next play. If one team is penalized 20 times and the other once so be it if those call were correct. How Limerick played does not o.k. an incorrect call that deprived them a chance to level up the game.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 29/07/2019 00:23:48    2217937

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Replying To ballydalane:  "I wonder would there be the same uproar had Kilkenny been denied a 65? Somehow I think not."
Judging by the posts on the HS threads from all previous games Kilkenny played in the championship, including plenty from your good self, the answer to your question is a resounding YES

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 941 - 29/07/2019 00:44:58    2217942

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Cork were going to hammer us. Then of course Limerick were going to hammer us. And now Tipp are gonna hammer us. Love being underdog, this is great!"
Ah now! Kk will be warm if not hot favs for the final.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 29/07/2019 04:01:41    2217952

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Replying To mr305:  "care to elaborate?"
Half my family are English. They love gloating when they win. Even at family cards!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 29/07/2019 07:33:26    2217956

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Replying To mr305:  "care to elaborate?"
Although even they dont gloat when someone else wins!!!!!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 29/07/2019 07:35:39    2217957

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Hard to feel sorry for any team that indulges in that adjusting contact lenses cheating to slow play down"
Or a player tying his boot laces in front a another player trying to take a placed ball. Or is that ok if its a Kilkenny player.

Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 879 - 29/07/2019 10:04:19    2218000

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I see I touched a few nerves with some cold hard facts ......Fact remains an all ireland medal today is not worth one before knockout system it's become a joke you wouldn't win the English premier football league with 3 defeats but hey you can win our hurling "CHAMPIONSHIP that way ........spade a spade it's a revenue donkey...tipp by fat and away on their day best team in country followed by limerick cork Clare galway kk waterford ......

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 29/07/2019 11:24:29    2218062

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Is this Hitnhurl lad on some industrial strength hallucinogenics?

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 29/07/2019 11:28:57    2218066

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "I see I touched a few nerves with some cold hard facts ......Fact remains an all ireland medal today is not worth one before knockout system it's become a joke you wouldn't win the English premier football league with 3 defeats but hey you can win our hurling "CHAMPIONSHIP that way ........spade a spade it's a revenue donkey...tipp by fat and away on their day best team in country followed by limerick cork Clare galway kk waterford ......"
That's nothing factual about anything you've said since you joined over the weekend. Probably Katser under another guise!

Man City were beaten 4 times last season! Another one of your solid facts debunked.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 29/07/2019 11:33:10    2218072

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And please spare me the kk beat cork argument
By that logic cork hammered limerick does that equate to cork been better than limerick no ....
Kk were 16/1 prior cork match for a reason fact is cork or limerick didn't play to their potential on the day ...cue the usual abuse from the usual bunch

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 29/07/2019 11:47:50    2218088

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Replying To Faithfull:  "That's nothing factual about anything you've said since you joined over the weekend. Probably Katser under another guise!

Man City were beaten 4 times last season! Another one of your solid facts debunked."
Wow 4 defeats from 40 lol is that your whole argument in the issue .....good contribution

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 29/07/2019 11:54:06    2218094

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Ah now! Kk will be warm if not hot favs for the final."
I don't think so.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 29/07/2019 11:54:11    2218095

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Is this Hitnhurl lad on some industrial strength hallucinogenics?"
Great contribution when you don't have an argument ......or don't agree what's your default ? School yard humour fair play pal NEXT

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 29/07/2019 11:56:51    2218096

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Replying To Clubgaa:  "Did you not see the reaction of the crowd in the Cusack and Davin Stands. We went crazy. Brian Geary ran the length of the sideline with the linesman who had to have seen it. That same linesman insisted on Diarmuid Byrnes moving a long range free back 2 feet earlier in the game."
The ref signaled for Byrnes to move the free back. The linesman merely directed him where to return to. He still took it 5 yards too far forward. The Limerick player was being treated behind the 65 yard line and he took the free from in front. He even placed the ball for the free while the player was being treated. This happened perfectly in line with me so had a great view of it.

Incidents happen throughout matches that official don't pick up on, some result in scores, some don't. For example Hugh Lawlor and Gillane were running for a ball under the Cusack Stand in the second half. Whilst running, Gillane threw Lawlor's hurl back over his shoulder. Fortunately for Kilkenny, the ball ran out over the sideline but if it hadn't, it could have been very costly.

How much technology do we want in the game. The excitement of the games is helped by the speed it is played at. Having technology to check too many things would take the intensity out of games while decisions are reviewed. Now, quite possibly, I would have a different opinion if the shoe was on the other foot but I am just wary of it. The Luimerick penalty would have been reviewed and that might have gone either way, both men were fouling. Lawlor put his right arm, which he holds his hurl with around Gillane. Gillane had his hurl. Different frees would get reviewed and the match would lose any flow.


I acknowledge that it should have been a 65 but if that incident occurred 5 minutes in, it would probably never have been highlighted. We have all had the benefit of TV replays to determine that it was a 65. I didn't notice the deflection in real time. None of us had the view that the officials had. Just looked at it again there. I think the linesman was actually in a bad position. He was flat in line with Buckley. From his position, so flat, i'm not sure he could see a deviation in the ball direction , whereas if he was at an angle he would see it better. It doesn't make the decision correct but in real time from his position. The umpire did what all umpires do and stood beside his friend at the other side of the goal. If he was positioned on his side, he would have seen it.

KK4Life (Kilkenny) - Posts: 56 - 29/07/2019 11:58:40    2218098

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Team P W D L +/- Pts.
Tipperary 7 6 0 1 44 12
Kilkenny 7 4 1 2 22 9
Wexford 6 2 3 1 16 7
Limerick 6 3 0 3 38 6
Cork 6 3 0 3 25 6
Dublin 5 2 1 2 9 5
Galway 4 2 1 1 3 5
Clare 4 2 0 2 -25 4
Carlow 4 0 0 4 -47 0
Waterford 4 0 0 4 -52 0


There's the stats (facts) from the championship. Top two teams in the final!

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 29/07/2019 12:10:46    2218104

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Replying To Faithfull:  "That's nothing factual about anything you've said since you joined over the weekend. Probably Katser under another guise!

Man City were beaten 4 times last season! Another one of your solid facts debunked."
Did I hear you call my name! There is only one Katser only one Katser walking along singing a song..... Offaly for Liam sorry that's a joke I mean KK for the All Ireland 2019.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2192 - 29/07/2019 12:10:49    2218105

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Ah now! Kk will be warm if not hot favs for the final."
You can say that again!! KK to win. Will J.McGrath be playing lol

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2192 - 29/07/2019 12:14:16    2218106

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Replying To Faithfull:  "Team P W D L +/- Pts.
Tipperary 7 6 0 1 44 12
Kilkenny 7 4 1 2 22 9
Wexford 6 2 3 1 16 7
Limerick 6 3 0 3 38 6
Cork 6 3 0 3 25 6
Dublin 5 2 1 2 9 5
Galway 4 2 1 1 3 5
Clare 4 2 0 2 -25 4
Carlow 4 0 0 4 -47 0
Waterford 4 0 0 4 -52 0


There's the stats (facts) from the championship. Top two teams in the final!"
Is a championship not a league !!! Supposedly thense my argument its become a revenue donkey

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 29/07/2019 12:17:24    2218113

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Replying To Westfester:  "Judging by the posts on the HS threads from all previous games Kilkenny played in the championship, including plenty from your good self, the answer to your question is a resounding YES"
No, there would have been massive uproar from Kilkenny fans including myself. And I don't have a problem with Limerick fans' uproar about the 65. Part and parcel of supporting a team.

My point about there not being an uproar if Kilkenny were denied a 65 in the same circumstances relates to so-called "neutrals". If you're going to be oh-so concerned for "fair play" and "getting the calls right" then at least extend that concern to every team/county, even the ones you have a scarcely-concealed contempt for.

PS should have been a Kilkenny line ball anyway which would have killed this debate stone dead.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 29/07/2019 12:17:47    2218115

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