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Replying To Seeking_silver: "But is pulling the face guard not a red card offence?" I actually posted about this a few pages back. The rule says that the red card offence is "To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent, including to deliberately pull on or take hold of a faceguard or any other part of an opponent's helmet."
Said that if I was putting together the appeal, I'd be focussing on the words "dangerous" and "deliberate", and that what Jacko did was neither of them. His hand simply landed on the other player's helmet in a non-dangerous and accidental manner while he was trying to get free from having his own faceguard pulled.
I don't know if that's what the actual appeal was based on, but I'd say I'm not too far off.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2919 - 25/02/2024 21:29:04
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Happy enough with the result today, but of course, would have been great to win it. Somewhat surprised Fanning didn't take that last free.
Thought Shane Reck had a great game for his first day back, while Damien, Hearne, CBD and Casey continue to impress. Overall, think we're going in the right direction.
Also think that one win from our last two matches would put us in Div. 1 next year. That would put us on 5 points, and in the other group, I can't see Dublin getting a result against Galway, so the most they could finish on is 4.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2919 - 25/02/2024 21:34:06
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Happy enough with the result today, but of course, would have been great to win it. Somewhat surprised Fanning didn't take that last free.
Thought Shane Reck had a great game for his first day back, while Damien, Hearne, CBD and Casey continue to impress. Overall, think we're going in the right direction.
Also think that one win from our last two matches would put us in Div. 1 next year. That would put us on 5 points, and in the other group, I can't see Dublin getting a result against Galway, so the most they could finish on is 4." Shane has been playing all year. Played against Laois last weekend, Offaly the weekend before, played the 2nd half in Nowlan Park, played New Year's Day, played against SETU Waterford also I think.
Id say you are right 5 points should ensure 1a hurling next year. But maybe Westmeath will finish on 4 either in 1b!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16163 - 26/02/2024 06:57:02
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It's funny.
Last year I walked out of the Clare game with 20mins to go, it was the single worst display I've personally ever seen and the first time I've ever left a game early.
I didn't really care much about the result yesterday simply based on the sense of deja vu from last year, a win would have been great and welcome but it was the performance I was watching for and got that in spades.
Now we do need I feel to start getting the victories to back it up, league is pulling straight into championship nowadays (mores the pity imho) and the lads need a win or two to give themselves back up to their work and performance.
We are a world away from where we were but must remember where we we're was barely Liam Mc Carthy level.
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Replying To Viking66: "Shane has been playing all year. Played against Laois last weekend, Offaly the weekend before, played the 2nd half in Nowlan Park, played New Year's Day, played against SETU Waterford also I think.
Id say you are right 5 points should ensure 1a hurling next year. But maybe Westmeath will finish on 4 either in 1b!" You're right about Shane Reck, of course. Don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that last night!
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2919 - 26/02/2024 08:38:01
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Overall happy with the performance yesterday on a tough day for hurling. Although Clare were much bigger physically we battled hard and played to our strengths . Fanning played well in the goal although frees were frustrating. Full back line done very well. Likes of Jippo will have work to do when he comes back to get back in which is no harm. Donohoe will be dissapointed David Fitz scored 5 points from play. D Reck was good. Eoin Ryan is definitely a future championship starter for us. Thought it was Lawlor and Hearnes best game for us and I would continue with them midfield the next day. The loss of Kevin and Lee was huge but our young lads continued to battle. Casey was the standout of the forwards and CBD done okay. It was a difficult day for forwards to be fair. Would have liked to have seen Tucker come on a bit earlier as another poster said. Overall happy with where we are. IF we can get one win from final 2 games it will secure top flight hurling for next year. Competition for places in the 15 and 26 will be fierce over coming weeks as the young lads have really shown promise. Is there any more lads expected to be back for Waterford game Sunday week?
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 26/02/2024 09:31:03
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Replying To tearintom: "It's funny.
Last year I walked out of the Clare game with 20mins to go, it was the single worst display I've personally ever seen and the first time I've ever left a game early.
I didn't really care much about the result yesterday simply based on the sense of deja vu from last year, a win would have been great and welcome but it was the performance I was watching for and got that in spades.
Now we do need I feel to start getting the victories to back it up, league is pulling straight into championship nowadays (mores the pity imho) and the lads need a win or two to give themselves back up to their work and performance.
We are a world away from where we were but must remember where we we're was barely Liam Mc Carthy level." Watched game on TV poor enough match I thought but its February on a heavy sod and wind blowing wasn't too impressed with Clare but all teams are trying to find a few players so hard to judge.
Wexford are not far off anyone id say and will be thereabouts in Championship I would love to see Clare win the League but we so badly need TK and Ryan Taylor to be fin for the championship
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 988 - 26/02/2024 09:32:14
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I was very fearful before the game but was delighted with the effort by all the lads.
Pity we didn't get a scalp yesterday but we can get a lot of positives out of it.
Firstly, and most importantly was how we competed for every ball. We were in their faces and never took the foot off the peddle.
Very Impressed with Casey, Hearne, Corey Byrne Dunbar, Damien Reck, Foley and Jacko in patches.
Considering that Chin and Kevin retired early it makes the result all the sweeter.
Drawing with a munster team is commendable.
For far too long we couldn't match their pace, skill or physicality. Yesterday showed that we are now capable of been competitive.
Of course it's only one game and the bigger tests will come thick and fast in the remainder of the league and it will be against munster teams.
Those games will tell their own story. Can we remain competitive? Yes if we continue to improve on what we've seen so far.
With Jippo, Mathew, Rory and Mac to return it will give Rossi plenty of selection headaches as we approach the championship. That's exactly what is needed.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 505 - 26/02/2024 09:37:11
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Replying To Afinestick: "Overall happy with the performance yesterday on a tough day for hurling. Although Clare were much bigger physically we battled hard and played to our strengths . Fanning played well in the goal although frees were frustrating. Full back line done very well. Likes of Jippo will have work to do when he comes back to get back in which is no harm. Donohoe will be dissapointed David Fitz scored 5 points from play. D Reck was good. Eoin Ryan is definitely a future championship starter for us. Thought it was Lawlor and Hearnes best game for us and I would continue with them midfield the next day. The loss of Kevin and Lee was huge but our young lads continued to battle. Casey was the standout of the forwards and CBD done okay. It was a difficult day for forwards to be fair. Would have liked to have seen Tucker come on a bit earlier as another poster said. Overall happy with where we are. IF we can get one win from final 2 games it will secure top flight hurling for next year. Competition for places in the 15 and 26 will be fierce over coming weeks as the young lads have really shown promise. Is there any more lads expected to be back for Waterford game Sunday week?" Hopefully Devitt and O Hanlon will be fit enough to start
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16163 - 26/02/2024 09:51:02
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Happy enough with the result today, but of course, would have been great to win it. Somewhat surprised Fanning didn't take that last free.
Thought Shane Reck had a great game for his first day back, while Damien, Hearne, CBD and Casey continue to impress. Overall, think we're going in the right direction.
Also think that one win from our last two matches would put us in Div. 1 next year. That would put us on 5 points, and in the other group, I can't see Dublin getting a result against Galway, so the most they could finish on is 4." Looked to me like Fanning refused to take the last free, he just waved his hands as if to say no. One of the guys on the sidelines kept giving him pep talks throughout the match also. He made some decisive moves during like attacking the ball instead of hanging back on the goal line which was good to see. We need to alternate our puck outs other than to Chin and we are really missing Paudie Foley for the long range frees.
goreyll (Wexford) - Posts: 163 - 26/02/2024 10:51:41
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Saw game last night on TG4 and knew the result so was watching objectively. It was February hurling, windy, cold, and not one to dwell on.
I thought Wexford were the better team in the second half but didn't make it count on the score board. Conor Hearne won a lot of dirty ball, both Reck's were very good, Corey Dunbar did well but takes too much out of the ball. Casey did well as did Dunbar. Still need more from half forward line than was offered yesterday but Lawlor did well when he came out the field. Donohoe did well to set Jack O up for the equaliser by drawing the defender to make space for Jack.
I also saw League Sunday and thought Joe obviously doesn't remember some of the frees Conor Cooney missed in May in Wexford Park. That wind is tough, that said you do have to score a free like those.
I was listening to the game on the radio and the commentators taught it was curtains once Chin went off. That is why he shouldn't play Walsh Cup matches.
But after that horror-show v Clare last year at least Wexford showed fight and battle and with a bit more cuteness, they could have guaranteed themselves top division hurling next year which they COULD yet miss out on unless they can beat either Waterford or Cork. I fancy them to beat Waterford away more than Cork at home and expect ash to be flying in Walsh Park in 2 weeks.
But I said when Rossiter was appointed Wexford needed to re-build a team and that is what he is doing.
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Replying To goreyll: "Looked to me like Fanning refused to take the last free, he just waved his hands as if to say no. One of the guys on the sidelines kept giving him pep talks throughout the match also. He made some decisive moves during like attacking the ball instead of hanging back on the goal line which was good to see. We need to alternate our puck outs other than to Chin and we are really missing Paudie Foley for the long range frees." Foley was more miss than hit on the long range frees from memory. Fanning the same and the further Chin is away from goal the less comfortable he is too.
Casey should be scoring that last one really from midfield. I thought his slotting style should have been adjusted more to account for the wind, there's no room for error with his style. The last one was a really poor miss, especially as it was to win the game. From open play he was excellent though. Chin missed two sitters in KK and we do seem to miss more than other teams from placed balls.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 424 - 26/02/2024 11:50:58
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Saw game last night on TG4 and knew the result so was watching objectively. It was February hurling, windy, cold, and not one to dwell on.
I thought Wexford were the better team in the second half but didn't make it count on the score board. Conor Hearne won a lot of dirty ball, both Reck's were very good, Corey Dunbar did well but takes too much out of the ball. Casey did well as did Dunbar. Still need more from half forward line than was offered yesterday but Lawlor did well when he came out the field. Donohoe did well to set Jack O up for the equaliser by drawing the defender to make space for Jack.
I also saw League Sunday and thought Joe obviously doesn't remember some of the frees Conor Cooney missed in May in Wexford Park. That wind is tough, that said you do have to score a free like those.
I was listening to the game on the radio and the commentators taught it was curtains once Chin went off. That is why he shouldn't play Walsh Cup matches.
But after that horror-show v Clare last year at least Wexford showed fight and battle and with a bit more cuteness, they could have guaranteed themselves top division hurling next year which they COULD yet miss out on unless they can beat either Waterford or Cork. I fancy them to beat Waterford away more than Cork at home and expect ash to be flying in Walsh Park in 2 weeks.
But I said when Rossiter was appointed Wexford needed to re-build a team and that is what he is doing." Chin could as easy be getting injured training than playing. Hopefully nothing serious for Foley or him. I thought Chin started very well on Conlan so it was a pity. He caught some puckout down near me just before his injury, held off Conlan with his right hand and caught it with his left nearly on the sideline. Jacko got one after he came on but I don't recall us winning clean possession of any of Fanning's long puckouts in the second half. I know conditions were tricky but thought we should have tried going shorter more often.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 424 - 26/02/2024 12:01:59
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Replying To Viking66: "Hopefully Devitt and O Hanlon will be fit enough to start" Is McGuckian back aswell for the next day? Ryan did nothing wrong for me. Sticky so maybe better suited to corner back but should keep his spot. I don't see either of Devitt or MoH starting in Waterford unless one comes in for Donohue who struggled badly on Fitzgerald. I think Molloy might come back in if fit or McGuckian.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 424 - 26/02/2024 12:08:14
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Replying To Viking66: "Shane has been playing all year. Played against Laois last weekend, Offaly the weekend before, played the 2nd half in Nowlan Park, played New Year's Day, played against SETU Waterford also I think.
Id say you are right 5 points should ensure 1a hurling next year. But maybe Westmeath will finish on 4 either in 1b!" I think they did away with the play-off between 4th in 1A and 1B so it's just coming down to whichever team in 4th gets more points (Or has the better score difference if tied on points)
Westmeath, Antrim, and Dublin all have very poor score differences and it's hard to see 4th in 1A finishing with less than 4 points, only way I could see 4th in 1B making Division 1B next year is if Dublin beat both Westmeath and Galway
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 560 - 26/02/2024 12:25:32
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Was told today that the Meath Minor hurlers beat Wexford by 8 points down in Ferns at the weekend, anyone know whether that was the first-string team or was it some sort of U17 fringe players + U16 developmental team?
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 560 - 26/02/2024 12:26:55
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Was told today that the Meath Minor hurlers beat Wexford by 8 points down in Ferns at the weekend, anyone know whether that was the first-string team or was it some sort of U17 fringe players + U16 developmental team?" It was the Wexford Celtic Challenge team so numbers 30-50 Under 17s. There was a young lad from our club on it and I know his dad well.
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 26/02/2024 13:09:51
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Replying To wexfordwin: "It was the Wexford Celtic Challenge team so numbers 30-50 Under 17s. There was a young lad from our club on it and I know his dad well." Do we expect to have good minor and under 20 teams this year? Is there many who played in last years Leinster final still eligable for the 20s this year?
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 26/02/2024 14:05:56
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Saw game last night on TG4 and knew the result so was watching objectively. It was February hurling, windy, cold, and not one to dwell on.
I thought Wexford were the better team in the second half but didn't make it count on the score board. Conor Hearne won a lot of dirty ball, both Reck's were very good, Corey Dunbar did well but takes too much out of the ball. Casey did well as did Dunbar. Still need more from half forward line than was offered yesterday but Lawlor did well when he came out the field. Donohoe did well to set Jack O up for the equaliser by drawing the defender to make space for Jack.
I also saw League Sunday and thought Joe obviously doesn't remember some of the frees Conor Cooney missed in May in Wexford Park. That wind is tough, that said you do have to score a free like those.
I was listening to the game on the radio and the commentators taught it was curtains once Chin went off. That is why he shouldn't play Walsh Cup matches.
But after that horror-show v Clare last year at least Wexford showed fight and battle and with a bit more cuteness, they could have guaranteed themselves top division hurling next year which they COULD yet miss out on unless they can beat either Waterford or Cork. I fancy them to beat Waterford away more than Cork at home and expect ash to be flying in Walsh Park in 2 weeks.
But I said when Rossiter was appointed Wexford needed to re-build a team and that is what he is doing." Real Red herring the free taking discussion. Probably to cover up the fact that both those lads only know the names of 4 or 5 current Wexford hurlers.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16163 - 26/02/2024 14:09:42
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Replying To Timbertony: "Is McGuckian back aswell for the next day? Ryan did nothing wrong for me. Sticky so maybe better suited to corner back but should keep his spot. I don't see either of Devitt or MoH starting in Waterford unless one comes in for Donohue who struggled badly on Fitzgerald. I think Molloy might come back in if fit or McGuckian." Charlie is back available, but where's his best position? Our backs often carried the ball into contact, got turned over and conceded scores or frees when playing short the last 2 League games. We need backs, especially wingbacks, that can mix it up with long low hard 40-50 yard passes into the spaces inside. Dooley and Charlie don't seem to be that type of heads up player. That way our opponents can't just park 5-8 lads across the halfway line and wait to gobble up our ball carriers. They would have to sit a little deeper to mark that space between their fullback and halfback lines.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16163 - 26/02/2024 14:15:38
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