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The Corona Virus And Possible Effects To GAA Matches

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Pick the top 16 teams in the country, open draw knockout from that to decide the All Ireland football 2020, all games on RTE,
you could do the same with hurling, 8 teams likely be enough in hurling though."
What about the teams not in top 16?

green.and.gold (Leitrim) - Posts: 427 - 21/04/2020 23:30:02    2276440

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Replying To Trump2020:  "5,000 people?!? I wonder why they settled on that number when they also encourage Social Distancing."
This number is more related to license applications for concerts etc. However it pretty much puts the nail in all sports

Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 21/04/2020 23:34:28    2276441

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this could be going on for 12 months why not play gaa matches so behind closed doors . people will not be allowed go to matches for along time .

lor12 (Wicklow) - Posts: 254 - 21/04/2020 23:43:12    2276442

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Thank God there was no word of social distancing when you'd be asking a doll out for a slow dance years ago, what a sh*t world it is now."
Them days will be back soon enough. This sh*te can't last forever. I like to run 5k events but they are all cancelled. Sigh.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2589 - 22/04/2020 00:14:11    2276443

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Ball burst lads!

moros (Roscommon) - Posts: 1154 - 22/04/2020 01:18:42    2276444

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I think it's still possible there will be games played. It'll be on a knockout basis of course if it does happen but it's not done for just yet.
Let's wait and see how things develop over the next couple months. There's always hope.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 22/04/2020 07:36:31    2276445

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Reading this morning a leading health expert saying contact sports of any kind can not return until there is vaccine or crews able treatment in place.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11681 - 22/04/2020 08:30:28    2276446

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If there's no GAA to say September at any level I can't see how inter county and club football can be squeezed into 4 months.. as the average joe Soap club player makes up 98% of the playing population the club MUST be looked after 1st and then see if we have time to throw in a watered down all Ireland competition... I'm fully aware that all the top brass in croke park care about is county football and making money so I won't hold my breath that they do the right thing on this and prioritise club football if and when we go return to action..
county teams will always survive no matter what, small club teams who are the heartbeat of rural Ireland won't..the people obsessing on here about county this county that I'd love to know how many of them actually go and watch club football..

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 578 - 22/04/2020 09:38:23    2276449

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Replying To Talking_Sense:  "This number is more related to license applications for concerts etc. However it pretty much puts the nail in all sports"
Iv got tickets to go and see Ozzy at the 3 arena on November 5th and the 3 arena can hold about 5000 people I'd say so do you reckon that should still go ahead?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/04/2020 09:39:06    2276450

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Realistically some people are living is fantasy land thinking there might be games again this year, Social distancing alone will unfortunately rule this out and social distancing will be with us until a vaccine is available, part of contact sports is obviously the closeness you need to get to your opponent so how would 2m social distancing work?? and then you have dressing rooms etc! The GAA and other sporting organisations should just come out and put this to bed

dec (None) - Posts: 296 - 22/04/2020 09:54:12    2276451

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Replying To catch22:  "I think it's still possible there will be games played. It'll be on a knockout basis of course if it does happen but it's not done for just yet.
Let's wait and see how things develop over the next couple months. There's always hope."
there in NO hope, cop on

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 3001 - 22/04/2020 10:00:13    2276452

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Unfortunately it's over for the year. Can't see clubs been allowed to play either, social distancing makes games impossible to be held until there is a vaccine.
I am absolutely gutted. But once we beat this thing with the least amount of lives lost possible is the most important thing. Keep safe everyone

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/04/2020 10:21:03    2276454

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Replying To dec:  "Realistically some people are living is fantasy land thinking there might be games again this year, Social distancing alone will unfortunately rule this out and social distancing will be with us until a vaccine is available, part of contact sports is obviously the closeness you need to get to your opponent so how would 2m social distancing work?? and then you have dressing rooms etc! The GAA and other sporting organisations should just come out and put this to bed"
Yep. People clinging to the idea that games will go ahead behind closed doors, or that club games can go ahead if county can't need to wake up and smell the coffee I'm afraid. It wouldn't matter if every player, whether it be club or county, traveled to the game in their own cars, togged out separately and played with masks on. The risk of one player infecting 29 others is too great. And then for those 29 to go home to their families etc. You'd be risking the creation of another cluster of infections and all over a game of football/hurling. Not going to happen.

Now in saying the above, I hope and I pray that the usual processes involved in delivering a working vaccine to the masses can be expedited somehow. But I won't pretend to know an awful lot about that world. Also - because this coronavirus is so new who knows what its lifespan is? Does it continue infecting hosts without remorse if there are hosts to infect? Or will it weaken and fizzle out if we are patient and disciplined enough to continue with our social distancing and lockdown measures? Again - questions I'm in no position to answer.

The only other option I can think of is that serological testing becomes widely available. Simply put, this test measures the presence of antibodies present in a person. So if it could be proven that every squad member, backroom member, match official etc has had the virus and built up immunity to it via antibodies then games could go ahead. But just even thinking of the logistics behind that level of testing is enough to make your head spin. But I'm not even sure it's even been fully proven yet that if you've had the virus then you're no longer in danger of re-infection.

In summary, the key thing I think people need to accept is that while social distancing is required then contact sport simply cannot happen.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9870 - 22/04/2020 10:35:05    2276455

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Iv got tickets to go and see Ozzy at the 3 arena on November 5th and the 3 arena can hold about 5000 people I'd say so do you reckon that should still go ahead?"
Announcing the 5k limit now could be to soften the blow for later in the year when they announce an extension of the ban. It's a delicate situation for the authorities to manage and if they said 'no crowds above 50 for the rest of 2020' there'd be a threat of unrest. Unless there's some major medical breakthrough, I'd say concerts / events of that size are unlikely... but I am just guessing. Whatever steps are taken on the continent is probably what we'll follow.

Morty (Westmeath) - Posts: 209 - 22/04/2020 10:41:20    2276456

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yep. People clinging to the idea that games will go ahead behind closed doors, or that club games can go ahead if county can't need to wake up and smell the coffee I'm afraid. It wouldn't matter if every player, whether it be club or county, traveled to the game in their own cars, togged out separately and played with masks on. The risk of one player infecting 29 others is too great. And then for those 29 to go home to their families etc. You'd be risking the creation of another cluster of infections and all over a game of football/hurling. Not going to happen.

Now in saying the above, I hope and I pray that the usual processes involved in delivering a working vaccine to the masses can be expedited somehow. But I won't pretend to know an awful lot about that world. Also - because this coronavirus is so new who knows what its lifespan is? Does it continue infecting hosts without remorse if there are hosts to infect? Or will it weaken and fizzle out if we are patient and disciplined enough to continue with our social distancing and lockdown measures? Again - questions I'm in no position to answer.

The only other option I can think of is that serological testing becomes widely available. Simply put, this test measures the presence of antibodies present in a person. So if it could be proven that every squad member, backroom member, match official etc has had the virus and built up immunity to it via antibodies then games could go ahead. But just even thinking of the logistics behind that level of testing is enough to make your head spin. But I'm not even sure it's even been fully proven yet that if you've had the virus then you're no longer in danger of re-infection.

In summary, the key thing I think people need to accept is that while social distancing is required then contact sport simply cannot happen."
I saw the WHO stating that they don't know if a person who was infected has immunity and cannot be re infected, more than likely they can get it again and pass it on so even this is out, 2020 is over in terms of competitive sport unfortunately, saving lives and keeping people safe are much more important at this stage! Lets look forward to a festival of sport in 2021

dec (None) - Posts: 296 - 22/04/2020 10:44:01    2276458

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Iv got tickets to go and see Ozzy at the 3 arena on November 5th and the 3 arena can hold about 5000 people I'd say so do you reckon that should still go ahead?"
I wouldn't go if they paid me and put me in a isolated bubble after jabbing me with the vaccine.
Ild actually prefer gouge out my eyes and eat my ears.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1809 - 22/04/2020 11:17:42    2276462

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Replying To catch22:  "I think it's still possible there will be games played. It'll be on a knockout basis of course if it does happen but it's not done for just yet.
Let's wait and see how things develop over the next couple months. There's always hope."
I wouldn't be to despondent either, i think yesterday was an important clarity that perhaps the GAA can plan around now at least we know where we stand.

I see there being a few options myself. I know a number of sporting of organisations will be having discussions with the Dept of T.T. & Sport this week.

I thought the number Public health would recommend would be less then 5k on group gatherings, so surprised it was that much myself, seems ambitious enough, other European countries have gone for significantly less.

So what option are at play for the GAA in planning. There are a few i can see:

1) Change the calendar around and play the club championships over the summer with limited crowds of 5k. Get them all done by August, essentially give the summer to the clubs. Link with the GPA, consult with players and put in place protocols for player safety, if they are willing.

2) County teams return to training May/June. Run of the provincial championships, July/August. Limit crowds at games to 5k (the majority rarely get that), social distancing etc, maybe a decision on wearing masks as an requirement of admission, season ticket holders given priority for tickets and small number of general release and maybe a creative streaming service season ticket with GAAGO.

Then hopefully after a bit of success with living with this virus and a review maybe the quarter - final could be run of in August and Sep with a review of increased capacity. Worst comes to the worst and it remains at 5k then at least you have the infrastructure in place. When it gets to that stage perhaps we can use the bigger stadiums like Croker, Nolan, PUC, Clones etc, for ease of social distancing etc.

My only reservation with this option is staying away from Flu season, if things were to go on which is risky.

3) Just make a blanket decision to do it behind closed doors or cancel the championship.

I actually think there are a few options, obviously everything is flexible, fluid and will be different and require adjustment. But at least now there is clarity in reviewing and planning if and how things mat or may not be run off.

Some good news, the wonderful Paul O Brien has secured a great deal with some Chinese contacts that may enable us to do 100k tests a week, for our population and society if that potential can be achieved that might be a significant game changer in living alongside this virus, until artificial herd immunity can be achieved.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4518 - 22/04/2020 11:19:59    2276463

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Replying To Morty:  "Announcing the 5k limit now could be to soften the blow for later in the year when they announce an extension of the ban. It's a delicate situation for the authorities to manage and if they said 'no crowds above 50 for the rest of 2020' there'd be a threat of unrest. Unless there's some major medical breakthrough, I'd say concerts / events of that size are unlikely... but I am just guessing. Whatever steps are taken on the continent is probably what we'll follow."
Feck I hope it goes ahead as i'm afraid poor old Ozzy hasn't got a lot of concerts left in him and iv got to tick him off my list of artists/bands iv got to see.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/04/2020 12:14:24    2276469

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Replying To dec:  "I saw the WHO stating that they don't know if a person who was infected has immunity and cannot be re infected, more than likely they can get it again and pass it on so even this is out, 2020 is over in terms of competitive sport unfortunately, saving lives and keeping people safe are much more important at this stage! Lets look forward to a festival of sport in 2021"
No need to be sensationalizing the bad news. Theres enough people doing that. It is not "more than likely". As you said in your first words, the WHO dont know if reinfection can occur. You are correct though that 2020 is over in terms of competitive amateur team sports at the very least.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2050 - 22/04/2020 12:15:06    2276470

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I wouldn't be to despondent either, i think yesterday was an important clarity that perhaps the GAA can plan around now at least we know where we stand.

I see there being a few options myself. I know a number of sporting of organisations will be having discussions with the Dept of T.T. & Sport this week.

I thought the number Public health would recommend would be less then 5k on group gatherings, so surprised it was that much myself, seems ambitious enough, other European countries have gone for significantly less.

So what option are at play for the GAA in planning. There are a few i can see:

1) Change the calendar around and play the club championships over the summer with limited crowds of 5k. Get them all done by August, essentially give the summer to the clubs. Link with the GPA, consult with players and put in place protocols for player safety, if they are willing.

2) County teams return to training May/June. Run of the provincial championships, July/August. Limit crowds at games to 5k (the majority rarely get that), social distancing etc, maybe a decision on wearing masks as an requirement of admission, season ticket holders given priority for tickets and small number of general release and maybe a creative streaming service season ticket with GAAGO.

Then hopefully after a bit of success with living with this virus and a review maybe the quarter - final could be run of in August and Sep with a review of increased capacity. Worst comes to the worst and it remains at 5k then at least you have the infrastructure in place. When it gets to that stage perhaps we can use the bigger stadiums like Croker, Nolan, PUC, Clones etc, for ease of social distancing etc.

My only reservation with this option is staying away from Flu season, if things were to go on which is risky.

3) Just make a blanket decision to do it behind closed doors or cancel the championship.

I actually think there are a few options, obviously everything is flexible, fluid and will be different and require adjustment. But at least now there is clarity in reviewing and planning if and how things mat or may not be run off.

Some good news, the wonderful Paul O Brien has secured a great deal with some Chinese contacts that may enable us to do 100k tests a week, for our population and society if that potential can be achieved that might be a significant game changer in living alongside this virus, until artificial herd immunity can be achieved."
I know you are involved on the front line and my thanks and appreciation to you and all your colleagues for the unbelievable work you're all doing. But do you not think there is a big risk to playing games, even at club level during the summer, with or without crowds? At a time when the general public will still be practicing social distancing. I hope I'm not coming across as overly pessimistic. But as a person involved in health care is it your opinion that it would be safe to do so?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9870 - 22/04/2020 12:20:22    2276471

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