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Replying To TheUsername: "I wouldn't be to despondent either, i think yesterday was an important clarity that perhaps the GAA can plan around now at least we know where we stand.
I see there being a few options myself. I know a number of sporting of organisations will be having discussions with the Dept of T.T. & Sport this week.
I thought the number Public health would recommend would be less then 5k on group gatherings, so surprised it was that much myself, seems ambitious enough, other European countries have gone for significantly less.
So what option are at play for the GAA in planning. There are a few i can see:
1) Change the calendar around and play the club championships over the summer with limited crowds of 5k. Get them all done by August, essentially give the summer to the clubs. Link with the GPA, consult with players and put in place protocols for player safety, if they are willing.
2) County teams return to training May/June. Run of the provincial championships, July/August. Limit crowds at games to 5k (the majority rarely get that), social distancing etc, maybe a decision on wearing masks as an requirement of admission, season ticket holders given priority for tickets and small number of general release and maybe a creative streaming service season ticket with GAAGO.
Then hopefully after a bit of success with living with this virus and a review maybe the quarter - final could be run of in August and Sep with a review of increased capacity. Worst comes to the worst and it remains at 5k then at least you have the infrastructure in place. When it gets to that stage perhaps we can use the bigger stadiums like Croker, Nolan, PUC, Clones etc, for ease of social distancing etc.
My only reservation with this option is staying away from Flu season, if things were to go on which is risky.
3) Just make a blanket decision to do it behind closed doors or cancel the championship.
I actually think there are a few options, obviously everything is flexible, fluid and will be different and require adjustment. But at least now there is clarity in reviewing and planning if and how things mat or may not be run off.
Some good news, the wonderful Paul O Brien has secured a great deal with some Chinese contacts that may enable us to do 100k tests a week, for our population and society if that potential can be achieved that might be a significant game changer in living alongside this virus, until artificial herd immunity can be achieved." and how do they implement the 2m social distancing requirements for the players?? Fantasy land i'm afraid...
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Replying To green.and.gold: "What about the teams not in top 16?" Don't think anyone outside the top 16 has any chance of winning Sam.
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Replying To Lockjaw: "I know you are involved on the front line and my thanks and appreciation to you and all your colleagues for the unbelievable work you're all doing. But do you not think there is a big risk to playing games, even at club level during the summer, with or without crowds? At a time when the general public will still be practicing social distancing. I hope I'm not coming across as overly pessimistic. But as a person involved in health care is it your opinion that it would be safe to do so?" Thanks for the best wishes LJ. Much appreciated, youd prefer to keep the head down and just do your job to be honest, all the back slapping has gotten a bit cringey and overdone (in the media) to to be honest , you just want to get on with and do your job and i say that with the best appreciation for your best wishes. But definitely no ceremony needs to be stood on, everyone will have and are entitled to their opinion as safety is a personal decision during this.
I might be a bit gung ho and that might be down to being up close and personal to being exposed to this virus since the outbreak, so ill acknowledge that, as obviously the risks are that bit more familiar being around it.
To answer your question i think this needs to be player led largely. Will parents want their kids playing games? Will senior players want to play, given risk cant be eliminated? To me that should be the driving force. If both of those answers are no - then nothing should be played and i hope the players drive this. That should be the first step for the GAA. If some or the majority of them do, then i think we need strict protcolls in place - i can think of a few. Will it eliminate every risk no. But that is going to real life for the next few months. A distinction probably need to be made between junior and senior players as well as per consent.
From a borader GAA/Community point of view I think transition from lock down back to working/normal life is going to be difficult for people shut down since March, things are hugely different. People will initially be hesident but i think in time confidence will grow, certainly that is my experience.
I think there is a mindset out there by some that we are going to beat this virus, in the coming months, we wont, the job of work is suppressing it until we achieve artificial immunity. So the job of work is living alongside the virus, taking personal precautions, risk assessing and risk mitigation a lot of that is down to personal choice and repsbility, But we are going to be living around risk for the foreseeable future. Various services, shops, occupations, transport and sporting events will be similar for me if they are to come off.
Buses, trains, shopping centers, cinemas and by the look of it gigs and shows will all be back open soon, i dont see much of a difference in attending a game - with precautions in place like the ones i mention above or people going to a gig in Vicker Street or Bord Gais. Nothing is completely going to be 100% safe.
On a macro level we have done everything well as a nation (apart from in residential care units), we have a current low r-n number, that can come down again before May. Thanks to Paul O Brien we are going to have one of the best testing/population ratios out there, that may well be a game change if we can get that infrastrure in place, the HSE has been excellent at setting up the community contact tracing infrastructure. All of these are huge suports in shutting down community transmission.
We are ahead of the curve and amongst the best countries at managing this in the community after this first wave. If we can keep the R-n number down and test and isolate clusters, i think there is every chance of aspects of the community and sport being facilitated albeit with restrictions, i list above. Obviously that remains under constant review. With a second wave, everything will shut down.
As i said above im surprised on the 5k groups, i think that is a massive number myself and a very confident one.
To surmise your question, will playing games be 100% safe for players or spectators no. But very little in life will be. Can the GAA put limits and precautions in place to minimize the risk like almost everything else of society will have to as well, i think so personally, reduced crowds, 2 meters apart, players protocols - with consent, creative streaming, public advise for over 65's. Etc etc. I think its possible with player consent to get some kind of championship/s it will be very different to what we are used though.
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This is a brilliant interactive guide showing the virus spreads and how we can beat it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/ng-interactive/2020/apr/22/see-how-coronavirus-can-spread-through-a-population-and-how-countries-flatten-the-curve
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9870 - 22/04/2020 14:52:57
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Replying To TheUsername: "I wouldn't be to despondent either, i think yesterday was an important clarity that perhaps the GAA can plan around now at least we know where we stand.
I see there being a few options myself. I know a number of sporting of organisations will be having discussions with the Dept of T.T. & Sport this week.
I thought the number Public health would recommend would be less then 5k on group gatherings, so surprised it was that much myself, seems ambitious enough, other European countries have gone for significantly less.
So what option are at play for the GAA in planning. There are a few i can see:
1) Change the calendar around and play the club championships over the summer with limited crowds of 5k. Get them all done by August, essentially give the summer to the clubs. Link with the GPA, consult with players and put in place protocols for player safety, if they are willing.
2) County teams return to training May/June. Run of the provincial championships, July/August. Limit crowds at games to 5k (the majority rarely get that), social distancing etc, maybe a decision on wearing masks as an requirement of admission, season ticket holders given priority for tickets and small number of general release and maybe a creative streaming service season ticket with GAAGO.
Then hopefully after a bit of success with living with this virus and a review maybe the quarter - final could be run of in August and Sep with a review of increased capacity. Worst comes to the worst and it remains at 5k then at least you have the infrastructure in place. When it gets to that stage perhaps we can use the bigger stadiums like Croker, Nolan, PUC, Clones etc, for ease of social distancing etc.
My only reservation with this option is staying away from Flu season, if things were to go on which is risky.
3) Just make a blanket decision to do it behind closed doors or cancel the championship.
I actually think there are a few options, obviously everything is flexible, fluid and will be different and require adjustment. But at least now there is clarity in reviewing and planning if and how things mat or may not be run off.
Some good news, the wonderful Paul O Brien has secured a great deal with some Chinese contacts that may enable us to do 100k tests a week, for our population and society if that potential can be achieved that might be a significant game changer in living alongside this virus, until artificial herd immunity can be achieved." https://www.independent.ie/sport/coronavirus-ireland-contact-sport-is-a-long-way-off-leading-experts-stark-warning-39147493.html
As much as I would love to see club football resuming( as i still play), I can't see it happening anytime soon for numerous reasons. How many club teams are there in the country? That's an awful lot of people countrywide to allow to gather in groups of 20-30 to even train again let alone play matches. You would have to allow ladies football and underage club football to resume training/playing too. Social/Physical distancing is just not possible with such numbers. You only need a few asymptomatic cases to get this virus spreading through communities again. Plus if a club championship was to start and a player on one of the teams was to test positive, that would more than likely put an end to that championship. Many players live with elderly people or work on the frontline so you are just asking for trouble if this is to happen. GAA is not a priority at the minute, we have to get the economy moving and people back to work using social distancing measures and this is going to be a massive challenge on its own. Comparing the GAA (particularly club matches) to professional sports is pointless. You cant compare both. If we get back playing 5-aside with a group of friends anytime soon, we'll be lucky!
maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 212 - 22/04/2020 15:29:17
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Replying To Lockjaw: "This is a brilliant interactive guide showing the virus spreads and how we can beat it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/ng-interactive/2020/apr/22/see-how-coronavirus-can-spread-through-a-population-and-how-countries-flatten-the-curve" Our r-n(ought)/RO is currently 0.9, down from 2/5 -2.7 before lock down. ;)
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4518 - 22/04/2020 15:35:53
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Feck I hope it goes ahead as i'm afraid poor old Ozzy hasn't got a lot of concerts left in him and iv got to tick him off my list of artists/bands iv got to see." Ha ha ha. He might outlive us all. Him, Kieth Richards, Aerosmith, etc.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2589 - 22/04/2020 16:10:05
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Replying To TheUsername: "Our r-n(ought)/RO is currently 0.9, down from 2/5 -2.7 before lock down. ;)" The famous R number. Sure its based on testing and contact tracing and we are not doing enough testing and we dont seem to be doing a whole lot of tracing either given some folk for instance are waiting 16 days + to ger results and even after are still waiting for a call re contact tracing. Sure how can you put value on that R number. Deaths are rising and infections are still 500 to 500 + per day
Absolute no chance of football this summer
Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 22/04/2020 17:31:44
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Replying To lilypad: "people should thank their lucky stars that clinton didn't get in" what kind of a person are u?
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Replying To Trump2020: "Ha ha ha. He might outlive us all. Him, Kieth Richards, Aerosmith, etc." the bat trick wont go down well these days
lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 22/04/2020 17:57:24
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Replying To Talking_Sense: "The famous R number. Sure its based on testing and contact tracing and we are not doing enough testing and we dont seem to be doing a whole lot of tracing either given some folk for instance are waiting 16 days + to ger results and even after are still waiting for a call re contact tracing. Sure how can you put value on that R number. Deaths are rising and infections are still 500 to 500 + per day
Absolute no chance of football this summer" Agree with you 1000%.. this famous "R" number is as much use as an ashtray on a motor bike..bar charts, graphs etc is another load of dribble, I'd love to tell professor nolan to give himself a few weeks off work and stop wasting his time.... sure with the small number of testing being carried out of course the numbers are going to be low and flattening of the curve achieved....bottom line is there is going to be no GAA this summer.. we may find a new hobby until 2021
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Replying To lilypad: "the bat trick wont go down well these days" Good point. Yucky.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2589 - 22/04/2020 18:29:13
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Replying To lor12: "this could be going on for 12 months why not play gaa matches so behind closed doors . people will not be allowed go to matches for along time ." The notion of playing matches behind closed doors with players required to keep two metres away from one another is a joke.
Anyone who thinks social distancing rules won't apply to players playing a GAA match is living in some different planet. No a hope of this being allowed.
September 2021 at the earliest before anyone anywhere sees a GAA match again.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1607 - 22/04/2020 18:44:29
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Replying To catch22: "I think it's still possible there will be games played. It'll be on a knockout basis of course if it does happen but it's not done for just yet.
Let's wait and see how things develop over the next couple months. There's always hope." Playing a match on a knock out basis doesn't prevent a player from contracting the virus you know.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1607 - 22/04/2020 18:46:22
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Iv got tickets to go and see Ozzy at the 3 arena on November 5th and the 3 arena can hold about 5000 people I'd say so do you reckon that should still go ahead?" Not a chance. Revised Covid capacity of 3 arena would be about 300 not 5,000. No way would just 300 tickets be enough to pay Ozzy.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1607 - 22/04/2020 18:48:51
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Replying To TheUsername: "I wouldn't be to despondent either, i think yesterday was an important clarity that perhaps the GAA can plan around now at least we know where we stand.
I see there being a few options myself. I know a number of sporting of organisations will be having discussions with the Dept of T.T. & Sport this week.
I thought the number Public health would recommend would be less then 5k on group gatherings, so surprised it was that much myself, seems ambitious enough, other European countries have gone for significantly less.
So what option are at play for the GAA in planning. There are a few i can see:
1) Change the calendar around and play the club championships over the summer with limited crowds of 5k. Get them all done by August, essentially give the summer to the clubs. Link with the GPA, consult with players and put in place protocols for player safety, if they are willing.
2) County teams return to training May/June. Run of the provincial championships, July/August. Limit crowds at games to 5k (the majority rarely get that), social distancing etc, maybe a decision on wearing masks as an requirement of admission, season ticket holders given priority for tickets and small number of general release and maybe a creative streaming service season ticket with GAAGO.
Then hopefully after a bit of success with living with this virus and a review maybe the quarter - final could be run of in August and Sep with a review of increased capacity. Worst comes to the worst and it remains at 5k then at least you have the infrastructure in place. When it gets to that stage perhaps we can use the bigger stadiums like Croker, Nolan, PUC, Clones etc, for ease of social distancing etc.
My only reservation with this option is staying away from Flu season, if things were to go on which is risky.
3) Just make a blanket decision to do it behind closed doors or cancel the championship.
I actually think there are a few options, obviously everything is flexible, fluid and will be different and require adjustment. But at least now there is clarity in reviewing and planning if and how things mat or may not be run off.
Some good news, the wonderful Paul O Brien has secured a great deal with some Chinese contacts that may enable us to do 100k tests a week, for our population and society if that potential can be achieved that might be a significant game changer in living alongside this virus, until artificial herd immunity can be achieved." Please tell me ... what planet are you on?
Can you not follow the news?
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1607 - 22/04/2020 18:55:03
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Replying To TheUsername: "I wouldn't be to despondent either, i think yesterday was an important clarity that perhaps the GAA can plan around now at least we know where we stand.
I see there being a few options myself. I know a number of sporting of organisations will be having discussions with the Dept of T.T. & Sport this week.
I thought the number Public health would recommend would be less then 5k on group gatherings, so surprised it was that much myself, seems ambitious enough, other European countries have gone for significantly less.
So what option are at play for the GAA in planning. There are a few i can see:
1) Change the calendar around and play the club championships over the summer with limited crowds of 5k. Get them all done by August, essentially give the summer to the clubs. Link with the GPA, consult with players and put in place protocols for player safety, if they are willing.
2) County teams return to training May/June. Run of the provincial championships, July/August. Limit crowds at games to 5k (the majority rarely get that), social distancing etc, maybe a decision on wearing masks as an requirement of admission, season ticket holders given priority for tickets and small number of general release and maybe a creative streaming service season ticket with GAAGO.
Then hopefully after a bit of success with living with this virus and a review maybe the quarter - final could be run of in August and Sep with a review of increased capacity. Worst comes to the worst and it remains at 5k then at least you have the infrastructure in place. When it gets to that stage perhaps we can use the bigger stadiums like Croker, Nolan, PUC, Clones etc, for ease of social distancing etc.
My only reservation with this option is staying away from Flu season, if things were to go on which is risky.
3) Just make a blanket decision to do it behind closed doors or cancel the championship.
I actually think there are a few options, obviously everything is flexible, fluid and will be different and require adjustment. But at least now there is clarity in reviewing and planning if and how things mat or may not be run off.
Some good news, the wonderful Paul O Brien has secured a great deal with some Chinese contacts that may enable us to do 100k tests a week, for our population and society if that potential can be achieved that might be a significant game changer in living alongside this virus, until artificial herd immunity can be achieved." Some decent ideas there and I'm just not ready to write it off yet unlike a lot of the other contributors here.
If there's any possibility I think they have to keep the option open.
Even if it's county championship in September October on a knockout basis and some of the early games behind closed doors I think it could be done if the virus is under control and there's a vaccine. So no, I'm not going to take it as a done deal just yet no matter how pessimistic some might be.
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Replying To catch22: "Some decent ideas there and I'm just not ready to write it off yet unlike a lot of the other contributors here.
If there's any possibility I think they have to keep the option open.
Even if it's county championship in September October on a knockout basis and some of the early games behind closed doors I think it could be done if the virus is under control and there's a vaccine. So no, I'm not going to take it as a done deal just yet no matter how pessimistic some might be." I also agree, in fact back playing sport in as safe as environment as is possible with the right measures in place would appear to me to be a lot less riskier than for example travelling to work on the LUAS, or a train, or a bus in rush hour with packed commuters of different ages etc.. For years I used to commute to Dublin and the train was jammed for the 1hour 15 minute journey. I just can't see Irish rail, LUAS and Bus Eireann not operating this year, that's my perspective. In fact as I write that first sentence if public transport is brought back in then I believe we will see sport this year in some form as I believe there is more chance of catching the virus on a packed LUAS than on a football pitch. Lets stay safe but lets all stay positive and let us trust the experts to make the correct decisions but the decisions made have to make sense across the board e.g. not allowing club matches to be played in front of a couple of hundred people but yet allowing the LUAS to run as normal would eb totally wrong.
rossno1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 294 - 22/04/2020 19:45:00
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Replying To catch22: "Some decent ideas there and I'm just not ready to write it off yet unlike a lot of the other contributors here.
If there's any possibility I think they have to keep the option open.
Even if it's county championship in September October on a knockout basis and some of the early games behind closed doors I think it could be done if the virus is under control and there's a vaccine. So no, I'm not going to take it as a done deal just yet no matter how pessimistic some might be." Must be a magic mushroom vaccine if you think it will be available by the end of the year.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2894 - 22/04/2020 19:45:41
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Replying To catch22: "Some decent ideas there and I'm just not ready to write it off yet unlike a lot of the other contributors here.
If there's any possibility I think they have to keep the option open.
Even if it's county championship in September October on a knockout basis and some of the early games behind closed doors I think it could be done if the virus is under control and there's a vaccine. So no, I'm not going to take it as a done deal just yet no matter how pessimistic some might be." "... if the virus is under control and there's a vaccine." !!!!!
Well of course .... let's do it sure what's to stop us then?!
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1607 - 22/04/2020 20:03:04
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