26/08/2014 21:02:18
fabio8
yes well we would have to differ there as usual...anyway rugby as a worldwide sport is hardly the issue here..its the coverage it gets in ireland Why then don't people actually complain about it or make a protest about the coverage/lack of coverage GAA gets In mainstream media?
Better than whinging anonymously on internet forums

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/08/2014 21:34:57    1642710

people do complain...people are entitled to discuss these things on forums..trying to stop the debate and accusing people of being whingers cause you disagree contributes nothing

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 26/08/2014 21:37:51    1642713

Ormond I just don't believe there are 177,00 people playing rugby in Ireland!

I like the game and played a bit as a young fella but I don't actually know anyone who plays the game compared to loads who play hurling, football and soccer.

Perhaps I move in the wrong circles!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 26/08/2014 21:42:52    1642720

26/08/2014 21:37:51
fabio8
people do complain...people are entitled to discuss these things on forums..trying to stop the debate and accusing people of being whingers cause you disagree contributes nothing Do they as if judging by all the moaning on here there must be 000s who disapprove of RTEs coverage then surely theyd have changed so....

When people refuse to respect my name why should I have to act all nice. so stop acting all high and mighty

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/08/2014 21:44:55    1642722

I'm travelling this week abroad many miles from an Irish Pub. I got Sundays radio commentary live on an IPhone from RTE free in hotel wifi I'm sure I could have had video if I could work out gaago. If I go to any newspaper website next weeks game is already overanalysed - I got a preview on Newstalk. To be honest I don't feel deprived

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 26/08/2014 21:45:32    1642724

There are more football and hurling clubs in Cork 259 than there are rugby clubs 232 (last available figures) in all of Ireland. There are 2,500 GAA clubs in total. Of these 392 are international clubs. So again there are more international football and hurling clubs than rugby clubs in all of Ireland. The alleged 160,000 rugby players in Ireland includes mini rugby and 40,000 school children who participated in a one off 8 week programme. The actual number as per last available figures is 26,743 senior male players and 3,277 senior female players those include under 21's as well. What was that about lies, damned lies and statistics?

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 27/08/2014 11:17:59    1642848

Numbers are high in both Malaysia, Sri Lanka as the sport plays a big role in schools and education AFAIK.
How do you find it hard to believe Ireland has that many playing? Look at all those who play in schools whether that is fully competitive schools like your blackrocks at primary and secondary or your local primary school in north tipp who get 12-15 weeks of training and 2-3 blitzes with the local branch development officer every single year. What's hard to believe about playing numbers in Ireland?
Malaysia is a country with a population of close to 30 million so of course there is more people who can play and Wales has a population of around 3 million.

Are you telling me that children who get coaching in primary schools (and not all get 12-15 weeks coaching) and who then play in 2-3 blitzes (and not all get 2-3 blitzes per year) are classified as players. My daughter experiences that but has never played with her local club. Is she classified as a player ? Do The GAA and The FAI use the same criteria when classifying who is and who is not a player ? It seems to me to be stretching the definition of a player considerably. Ae those who participate in The Tag Rugbu without ever participating in full contact rugby classified as players ? Finally we on the island of Ireland have a population of close to 6 million. 1.6 live in Northern Ireland. I would imagine quite a small number of Northern Catholics play though I would also imagine that this is increasing. We have 177,000 players according to The IRB website despite the fact that rugby is the 4th field sport in the country behind soccer, football and hurling. Wales has a population of 3 million. The country is rugby mad and it only has 66,000 players ? New Zealand has a population of 4.5 million. It is also rugby mad and it only has 149,000 players which is less than Fiji according to The IRB figures.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 27/08/2014 11:35:02    1642859

So there's only 29000 adults playing, between men and women, it's probably not even the fourth most played sport here

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1055 - 27/08/2014 12:04:33    1642871

27/08/2014 11:35:02 Greengrass
Are you telling me that children who get coaching in primary schools (and not all get 12-15 weeks coaching) and who then play in 2-3 blitzes (and not all get 2-3 blitzes per year) are classified as players. My daughter experiences that but has never played with her local club. Is she classified as a player ? Do The GAA and The FAI use the same criteria when classifying who is and who is not a player ? It seems to me to be stretching the definition of a player considerably. Ae those who participate in The Tag Rugbu without ever participating in full contact rugby classified as players ? Finally we on the island of Ireland have a population of close to 6 million. 1.6 live in Northern Ireland. I would imagine quite a small number of Northern Catholics play though I would also imagine that this is increasing. We have 177,000 players according to The IRB website despite the fact that rugby is the 4th field sport in the country behind soccer, football and hurling. Wales has a population of 3 million. The country is rugby mad and it only has 66,000 players ? New Zealand has a population of 4.5 million. It is also rugby mad and it only has 149,000 players which is less than Fiji according to The IRB figures. There is in virtually all areas a minimum of 2-3 blitzes and all get a minimum of 10-12 weeks coaching(I should know considering I referee primary school blitzes in North Tipperary and Galway) They are considered players. You don't have to play with a club to be classified as a player. Sure large enough numbers who attend rugby schools don't play with a club from age 6 to the age they leave school as they play with their school at primary and secondary level.
Tag rugby numbers are not accounted for in these lists. Wales the country is rugby mad but hard to say about their figures as you don't know how they account for their figures.
27/08/2014 12:04:33
flack
County: Dublin
Posts: 392

1642871 So there's only 29000 adults playing, between men and women, it's probably not even the fourth most played sport here

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/08/2014 12:18:31    1642880

Ormond, I work in a primary a large primary school. The local club host 2-3 blitzes a year but each child in my school between 9 and 12 does not participate in each blitz. No child gets 12-15 weeks coaching. I think it's stretching it considerably to call my daughter a rugby player on the basis of that level of exposure to the game. I thought the same criteria would apply to all countries when classifying who is and who is not a player. I note there are over 2 million registered players and over 4 million unregistered players referred to on the website. What is the difference between those types of payers ? I am sceptical of the numbers furnished on the website. New Zealand is credited with having 149,900 players from a population of 4.5 million people. Fiji is credited with having just short of 156,000 players from a population of 856,000 people. Can you explain that to me please ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 27/08/2014 12:54:13    1642906

Rugby is predominantly a schools game in Ireland , using clubs as your basis is clearly biased to towards GAA and patently flawed. Are you sure you are not Murdoch Mediaman? Also GAA include kids in Cul camp as 'players' and soccer includes 5 aside players

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4659 - 27/08/2014 13:16:25    1642928

somebody playing in a blitz is not a true player..to be regarded as a true player you should be registered to the club and participating in the full 15 a side game..otherwise it is nonsense and manipulating statistics

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 27/08/2014 13:17:02    1642930

who are players playing for after schools then bad monkey?..surely they have clubs to be playing for?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 27/08/2014 13:27:15    1642940

27/08/2014 12:54:13 Greengrass
Ormond, I work in a primary a large primary school. The local club host 2-3 blitzes a year but each child in my school between 9 and 12 does not participate in each blitz. No child gets 12-15 weeks coaching. I think it's stretching it considerably to call my daughter a rugby player on the basis of that level of exposure to the game. I thought the same criteria would apply to all countries when classifying who is and who is not a player. I note there are over 2 million registered players and over 4 million unregistered players referred to on the website. What is the difference between those types of payers ? I am sceptical of the numbers furnished on the website. New Zealand is credited with having 149,900 players from a population of 4.5 million people. Fiji is credited with having just short of 156,000 players from a population of 856,000 people. Can you explain that to me please ? That's strange as from my experience of refereeing and coaching in primary schools they get much more interaction with coaches than that. Registered players may be those who play in clubs and schools that compete in full main competitions like youths leagues and cups like leinster midlands leagues, east munster leagues etc while unregistered may be those who train with a development officer and play through their school but don't actually compete in competitions like those above. 12-15 weeks coaching is 3-4 months. That's a considerable portion of a season so I think yes you can call someone a rugby player with that level of exposure.
Some countries don't furnish full stats so figures can be unreliable. I don't know how to explain the figures maybe you should contact IRB/RFU whoever if you want more information on figures
27/08/2014 13:17:02 fabio8
somebody playing in a blitz is not a true player..to be regarded as a true player you should be registered to the club and participating in the full 15 a side game..otherwise it is nonsense and manipulating statistics Many of the top rugby players this country has ever seen will not have been registered to a club for all of their childhood and/or all of their teen years.
It isn't nonsense or manipulating statistics if you include those you receive a significant amount of training and who compete in several blitzes

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/08/2014 13:33:53    1642944

have to say its a disgrace the little time rte are giving to saturdays replay all ireland semi final
the match throws in at 5pm
yet they are only coming on the tv 20 minutes before throw in.
this is an all ireland semi final and they are basically going to show the teams come out and parade and anthem and then its on.
contrast this with the rugby matches that are on and they come on tv an hour before them games kick off to talk

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 27/08/2014 13:44:15    1642953

They have a full show on Friday night dedicated to previewing the weekends games..

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4659 - 27/08/2014 13:49:07    1642958

That's what happens in our school Ormond. I find the figures quoted for Fiji in particular to be highly questionable. I am sceptical of the figures in general.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 27/08/2014 13:50:46    1642960

bad.monkey
County: USA
Posts: 3863

1642958
They have a full show on Friday night dedicated to previewing the weekends games..

and they have a full show the friday night previewing the rugby matches too
for an all ireland semi final it shows a lack of respect

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 27/08/2014 14:16:25    1642986

they are registered playing for ireland or leinster though ormo are they not?..you have to be registered in some shape or form to a legitimate team to be regarded as a player

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 27/08/2014 14:25:33    1642995

hill sky provide coverage starting at 4.30..showing our games a bit more respect than rte dont you think?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 27/08/2014 14:26:41    1642996