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'mod' you've hit the nail on the head. It's all about the manner in which an item is presented. Instead of showing the most exciting aspects of the game you show the boring aspects, teams lining up and so on. Those images certainly did not reflect an amazing game. Professional broadcasters know what they're doing. Hype up some sports. Play down others. Or simply ignore the skills involved. Let's all keep a much closed eye on how our games are presented in a largely antagonistic Irish media.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 26/08/2014 13:03:47    1642215

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1640773 Had a look at the Irish Times to check out this bias being claimed here - Front page right under paper title 'Kerry v Mayo countdown' with picture of a couple of players, the Sports section has front page a huge photo of Andy Moran & Tomas O'Se and big feature on the match. Pages 2 & 3 are then also solely devoted to GAA. It's hard to match the outlandish claims of bias being made here with the actual reality.


Read it over a protracted period of time. You'll soon get the message.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 26/08/2014 13:21:03    1642235

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You're missing the point Ormond. The point I was making is that Gaelic Games teams from European countries can't possibly compete with teams at the highest level here. The same is true of rugby. Most of those teams you mention are a million miles behind the top teams. You say huge numbers of locals play rugby in counties like Spain, Belgium etc. I was in Madrid for the Champions League Final in 2010. On the day of the final the play offs were on in England. So too was The Heineken Cup Final. I think that Heineken Cup Final featured two French teams. We went to an Irish bar before going to the match. Both the play offs and The Heineken Cup Final were being broadcast and both could be seen in the pub. Quite a large group of people watched the play offs. Not one single Spanish person watched the Heineken Cup Final. None of them had the slightest interest. On the streets there wasn't a sign anywhere of The Heineken Cup Final. It was a non event. Rugby is an international sport but it is not a true world sport like soccer, basketball, boxing, tennis etc.

What point am I missing?
The same is not true in rugby. Rugby doesn't have the large following of soccer but it is a true worldwide sport. A significant number of sides ive mentioned have competed and will in future compete with top teams especially as funding for rugby increases as rugby albeit in the 7s format enters the Olympics.


"A significant number of sides ive mentioned have competed and will in future compete with top teams especially as funding for rugby increases as rugby albeit in the 7s format enters the Olympics". Firstly sevens is not the same gig as full fifteen. That's like comparing five a side with eleven aside soccer. Secondly can you provide the examples where a significant number of sides have competed against the top ten established nations please. And by competing I mean providing them with meaningful opposition.Like I said club rugbys showpiece game in Europe was a non event in one of Europes largest capital cities. More people watched English soccer's play offs than watched The Heineken Cup Final.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 26/08/2014 13:32:09    1642248

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Stats update Rugby has been mentioned 107 times (all but one positive) and Gaelic football and hurling camogie etc has got 94 mentions (many negative) on the Six One Sports News.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 26/08/2014 13:37:02    1642252

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Is Kerry and mayo game live on rte on Saturday?

geardlines (Monaghan) - Posts: 139 - 26/08/2014 14:04:57    1642278

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1642278 Is Kerry and mayo game live on rte on Saturday?


It's outside Dublin & the Dubs aren't involved geardlines so I doubt it. Then again, it's football, not hurling...

AnFearDonn (Kilkenny) - Posts: 65 - 26/08/2014 14:59:05    1642325

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26/08/2014 13:32:09 Greengrass
You're missing the point Ormond. The point I was making is that Gaelic Games teams from European countries can't possibly compete with teams at the highest level here. The same is true of rugby. Most of those teams you mention are a million miles behind the top teams. You say huge numbers of locals play rugby in counties like Spain, Belgium etc. I was in Madrid for the Champions League Final in 2010. On the day of the final the play offs were on in England. So too was The Heineken Cup Final. I think that Heineken Cup Final featured two French teams. We went to an Irish bar before going to the match. Both the play offs and The Heineken Cup Final were being broadcast and both could be seen in the pub. Quite a large group of people watched the play offs. Not one single Spanish person watched the Heineken Cup Final. None of them had the slightest interest. On the streets there wasn't a sign anywhere of The Heineken Cup Final. It was a non event. Rugby is an international sport but it is not a true world sport like soccer, basketball, boxing, tennis etc.
The same Is not true with regard to rugby and gaelic games with regard to competing. Look at Georgia etc competing against Ireland at age grade and higher levels. Georgia competing in under 18 European championships against 6Ns sides.
Most of the sides I mentioned are not a million miles behind the top teams. You cant use that as defence of your point. One pub in one city isn't a defence of your point. Rugby is a true world sport. Played in all continents in significant numbers and ever increasing.
26/08/2014 13:32:09 Greengrass
Firstly sevens is not the same gig as full fifteen. That's like comparing five a side with eleven aside soccer. Secondly can you provide the examples where a significant number of sides have competed against the top ten established nations please. And by competing I mean providing them with meaningful opposition.Like I said club rugbys showpiece game in Europe was a non event in one of Europes largest capital cities. More people watched English soccer's play offs than watched The Heineken Cup Final.
7s can be seen as a same gig. Its seen as completely pro sport and given spot in season with top 15 man game players playing 7s. You don't see that with soccer
Evidence of sides competing against the top 10 nations. Just look at the November internationals every year. the summer tours where sides from top nations play Georgia etc in nations cups etc
26/08/2014 13:37:02 mod
Stats update Rugby has been mentioned 107 times (all but one positive) and Gaelic football and hurling camogie etc has got 94 mentions (many negative) on the Six One Sports News.
you keep mentioning this. Why don't you enquire about why this is the case? Get your club to talk to county board/gaa hq to enquire about portrayal of GAA in media rather than just keep posting rubbish you take from twitter. rugby doesn't get all positive posts and gaa mainly negative. that's just ridiculous and biased viewing from your viewpoint

26/08/2014 14:04:57
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Is Kerry and mayo game live on rte on Saturday?
Of course it is why wouldn't it?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/08/2014 14:59:13    1642327

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I read The Times sport every day and have to say I don't perceive any bias in the reporting and find the GAA coverage very good.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12464 - 26/08/2014 15:23:13    1642350

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Ormond sevens rugby is not the same as full fifteen. To say otherwise is blowing your credibility out of the water. Spain is one of the countries you mentioned as being a country where huge numbers play the game. It was not just a pub. I was in the city for four days and nowhere was The Heineken Cup Final mentioned nor was there a single visible sign relating to it. It was a non eventI mentioned Georgia to you already as being a country that participated and competed well in The World Cup. Have you any more sides please. Other countries you mentioned were Belgium and Spain. Seriously Ormond could you see either getting within a hundred points of the All Blacks or within seventy Five points of any of the Six Nations sides ? You keep using the phrase "significant numbers". Provide those numbers please. I want to believe your assertion that rugby is a truly worldwide game. I am sceptical at the moment.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 26/08/2014 16:08:55    1642394

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Greengrass using your reasons for playing sport then the majority of counties in Ireland should not play hurling as Kilkenny would beat most of them by a cricket score and Dublin would beat most football teams by what they wanted .

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 26/08/2014 16:46:36    1642410

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26/08/2014 16:08:55 Greengrass
Ormond sevens rugby is not the same as full fifteen. To say otherwise is blowing your credibility out of the water. Spain is one of the countries you mentioned as being a country where huge numbers play the game. It was not just a pub. I was in the city for four days and nowhere was The Heineken Cup Final mentioned nor was there a single visible sign relating to it. It was a non eventI mentioned Georgia to you already as being a country that participated and competed well in The World Cup. Have you any more sides please. Other countries you mentioned were Belgium and Spain. Seriously Ormond could you see either getting within a hundred points of the All Blacks or within seventy Five points of any of the Six Nations sides ? You keep using the phrase "significant numbers". Provide those numbers please. I want to believe your assertion that rugby is a truly worldwide game. I am sceptical at the moment.
Sevens links to the 15 man game are large and varied and the two strands of the game are completely intertwined.
Spain does have significant numbers playing. Ive been involved in teams in Ireland that have played and travelled to spain. Some of the main rugby clubs in Spain are part of the banner of big soccer clubs like Barcelona, Real Madrid etc. An under 14 team in my club last season went on tour to Barcelona where they played a number of Barcelona sides.
Sri Lanka has well over 100'000 playing, Malaysia 60000. Check Wikipedia page on list of rugby playing nations. Figures are taken from IRB websitie.
Spain has 20'000 registered players and there is huge numbers getting training in schools not included in that
26/08/2014 16:46:36 tinrylandman
Greengrass using your reasons for playing sport then the majority of counties in Ireland should not play hurling as Kilkenny would beat most of them by a cricket score and Dublin would beat most football teams by what they wanted .
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ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/08/2014 17:17:06    1642439

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1642410 Greengrass using your reasons for playing sport then the majority of counties in Ireland should not play hurling as Kilkenny would beat most of them by a cricket score and Dublin would beat most football teams by what they wanted


Nonsense Tinryland. I never said people shouldn't playing rugby. I said rugby teams coming from the countries Ormond mentioned couldn't possibly hope to compete against the elite countries. I said that this was similar to teams coming from European countries made up of Irish ex-pats being unable to compete against elite counties here. It is one of the reasons I don't feel you can call rugby a truly worldwide sport.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 26/08/2014 17:34:31    1642465

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Greengrass using your reasons for playing sport then the majority of counties in Ireland should not play hurling as Kilkenny would beat most of them by a cricket score and Dublin would beat most football teams by what they wanted
26/08/2014 17:34:31 Greengrass
Nonsense Tinryland. I never said people shouldn't playing rugby. I said rugby teams coming from the countries Ormond mentioned couldn't possibly hope to compete against the elite countries. I said that this was similar to teams coming from European countries made up of Irish ex-pats being unable to compete against elite counties here. It is one of the reasons I don't feel you can call rugby a truly worldwide sport.
Those countries can compete and will in near future. They have in past at times and will again in future. Rugby is truly a worldwide sport. The sport is increasing in numbers year on year and even more so thanks to its introduction into schools as prep for countries hoping to compete in Olympics

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/08/2014 17:43:37    1642479

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Ormond stop saying that sevens and the full fifteen are the same. They're not. They are totally different. Competing in the future is not the same as competing now. I remember when Romania were a very competitive team. They are not now.
I was stunned at the numbers you provided for Malaysia and Sri Lanka and I did as you asked. The IRB website claims that 6.6 million people play rugby worldwide which is a very large number of players. They differentiate between registered and non registered players. What is the difference ? I then looked at the numbers of players apparently playing in each of the countries. Ireland apparently has over 177,000 people playing rugby. I find that very hard to believe. My own county only has 2 rugby clubs to serve a population of over 110,000 people. We apparently have the 5th largest rugby playing population in the world behind England, Australia, Sth Africa and France. We have 177,000 players and New Zealand only has 149,000 players which is less than Fiji which it is claimed has over 150,000 players. Malaysia has over 75,000 players which is greater than Wales which only has 66,000 players. What are the criteria for calling a player a player because looking at those figures something most certainly does not add up. As was said in Alice in Wonderland "curioser and curioser".

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 26/08/2014 19:08:49    1642577

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Apologies Ormond I have just looked at that chart again and I see The USA has a purported playing population of 1.4 million which is ten times that of |New Zealand.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 26/08/2014 19:10:48    1642582

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26/08/2014 19:08:49 Greengrass
Ormond stop saying that sevens and the full fifteen are the same. They're not. They are totally different. Competing in the future is not the same as competing now. I remember when Romania were a very competitive team. They are not now.
I was stunned at the numbers you provided for Malaysia and Sri Lanka and I did as you asked. The IRB website claims that 6.6 million people play rugby worldwide which is a very large number of players. They differentiate between registered and non registered players. What is the difference ? I then looked at the numbers of players apparently playing in each of the countries. Ireland apparently has over 177,000 people playing rugby. I find that very hard to believe. My own county only has 2 rugby clubs to serve a population of over 110,000 people.
7s and 15s are different when you move up to a considerable competitive level but for the basics and at the start they are very much the same.
Numbers are high in both Malaysia, Sri Lanka as the sport plays a big role in schools and education AFAIK.
How do you find it hard to believe Ireland has that many playing? Look at all those who play in schools whether that is fully competitive schools like your blackrocks at primary and secondary or your local primary school in north tipp who get 12-15 weeks of training and 2-3 blitzes with the local branch development officer every single year. What's hard to believe about playing numbers in Ireland?
Malaysia is a country with a population of close to 30 million so of course there is more people who can play and Wales has a population of around 3 million.

26/08/2014 19:10:48 Greengrass
We apparently have the 5th largest rugby playing population in the world behind England, Australia, Sth Africa and France. We have 177,000 players and New Zealand only has 149,000 players which is less than Fiji which it is claimed has over 150,000 players. Malaysia has over 75,000 players which is greater than Wales which only has 66,000 players. What are the criteria for calling a player a player because looking at those figures something most certainly does not add up. As was said in Alice in Wonderland "curioser and curioser"
Apologies Ormond I have just looked at that chart again and I see The USA has a purported playing population of 1.4 million which is ten times that of |New Zealand
and how does that surprise you? Compare the populations of each country?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/08/2014 19:44:16    1642611

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I don't see how RTE can justify in any way giving rugby more coverage on their news at this time of year than the gaa. This is the heart of the gaa season and rugby is completely in the off season. Yet somehow it still dominates the headlines. The gaa has more players, more people go to the games and it gets bigger viewing figures on tv so I'm not sure if rugby could be considered more popular using any mesasure. To put it into context 5 of the top 10 sports programmes watched in Ireland last year were gaa including the top 2 or 3 and it dominated the top 20.

Also there is definitely a tendancy to focus on the negative when it comes to the gaa. There has been a complete over reaction to the venue with RTE leading the way and little focus on what was an incredible second half of football. You'd nearly think they were trying to take the focus away from it.

A Another (None) - Posts: 194 - 26/08/2014 20:22:48    1642634

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seems like made up numbers..bit like the made up viewing figures for the world cup final

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 26/08/2014 20:45:53    1642659

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I don't see how RTE can justify in any way giving rugby more coverage on their news at this time of year than the gaa. This is the heart of the gaa season and rugby is completely in the off season. Yet somehow it still dominates the headlines. The gaa has more players, more people go to the games and it gets bigger viewing figures on tv so I'm not sure if rugby could be considered more popular using any mesasure. To put it into context 5 of the top 10 sports programmes watched in Ireland last year were gaa including the top 2 or 3 and it dominated the top 20.

Also there is definitely a tendancy to focus on the negative when it comes to the gaa. There has been a complete over reaction to the venue with RTE leading the way and little focus on what was an incredible second half of football. You'd nearly think they were trying to take the focus away from it.
Rugby is not completely in the off season at this time of year and certainly doesn't dominate the headlines.
That's GAAs fault and GAA journalists fault that the negative is focused on ahead of positive.
26/08/2014 20:45:53 fabio8
seems like made up numbers..bit like the made up viewing figures for the world cup final
Of course you would think that. Theyre not made up figures and world cup final viewing figures are not made up either

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/08/2014 20:58:26    1642676

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yes well we would have to differ there as usual...anyway rugby as a worldwide sport is hardly the issue here..its the coverage it gets in ireland

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 26/08/2014 21:02:18    1642679

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