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Replying To hunting: "I would take a one point win Saturday. We will know before the game if we are in a relegation dogfight or not but I expect Galway to best Antrim well.
If rossiter picks fobohue, Dunbar from start and Charlie. He should be sacked at the end of the year.
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Lawlor" Sums up posters on this page. A goalkeeper who will never tog for Wex again after this year due to performance and a man who has been dropped off the panel on your starting team. Baffling.
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Replying To countyman2022: "Sums up posters on this page. A goalkeeper who will never tog for Wex again after this year due to performance and a man who has been dropped off the panel on your starting team. Baffling." Who on his team has been dropped off the panel?
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 585 - 12/05/2025 12:19:29
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Replying To countyman2022: "I've seen a 365 coach showing kids how to pick up the ball with the toe of the hurl the wrong way. That is where we are at with coaching." I've heard Kilkenny's Martin Fogarty (I think) suggesting truing the toe in was the superior as it means you do not need to turn the hurl to strike, I've never seen anyone else advocate for it but its an interesting take!
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To the Galway posters, I caught up on this board on Saturday morning here and thought people were more confident than I was but I'm watching from a distance and don't see matches live and definitely don't see Galway matches. I was basing it off the Dublin match and thought if we were to win we had to up it 100% and defend much better.
But posts saying "Galway are ****"? Come off it, copy and paste the time stamp on a post which says that. I don't see any of them to be honest, in the lead up or after the match. That sounds like an attempt at a siege mentality where no ammo exists.
For what its worth, I thought 1/2 way through the second half you were there to be beaten but you saw it through.
Best of luck for the rest of the championship.
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Before any snap decisions are made re Rossiter, we would want to know the alternative. I remember my father lamenting the sacking of John Meyler and we ended up with Colm Bonner which was a disastrous reign. It can be a case of being careful what you wish for.
Nobody will want this job with the players we have right now I don't think. I believe we are in a doom spiral now which is the worst thing, players won't commit because its a no-hope situation so less players commit.
We need to do what we did to bring about 3 x U21 titles. Focus all our investment and time and money on underage. Be it schools, club coaches, development squads, etc. Limerick did this and look where it brought them.
A question though, do you think your club is there to win for themselves or to provide players of the standard to play for Wexford? I think clubs in Wexford care more about their own turf and winning a club championship at every level than about Wexford being successful. I heard this manifests itself in tug-of-war battles over club players attending development squads and clubs wanting to keep them themselves. Is it not in the clubs best interest for players to get the best coaching they can at the highest level?
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1830 - 12/05/2025 12:34:38
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Replying To countyman2022: "Sums up posters on this page. A goalkeeper who will never tog for Wex again after this year due to performance and a man who has been dropped off the panel on your starting team. Baffling." What are you on about? Are you getting Kennedy and Duggan mixed up? Kennedy was 16 on Saturday and Roche was on the Dublin bench
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Well lads, that was one disappointing and deflating day in Salthill. Firstly I wish to acknowledge that NO ONE, not players, not management, goes out to anything other than do their best and its very easy for us to come on here and gripe and snipe BUT top level sport is about results and we are not getting them and a 10 point defeat was shocker.
I listened to Rossi on South East and he was clear that the performance was no where near expectations. I know we're not at training so can't see what happens behind closed doors but I'm still at a loss to understand how we set up against Dublin - conceding the puc out - has this been explained by management, it had to have been a tactical decision??
We have to accept overall though that what we expect from our senior team is probably not reasonable. We expect them to, despite a lack of underage (no minor All Ireland in almost 60 years), no schools success, lack of club progress in the Leinster club championships - to deliver, its illogical really. If Rossi had a slew of successful minor and or u20 player and was failing to convert to senior, we could rightly ask questions but he doesn't and we're asking him to preform a form or alchemy. This is not be absolve management or indeed players of responsibility, you put on the jersey and assume not just kudos but responsibility and Saturday too many of them didn't look like they understood this.
Not sure of Einstein actually every really said this but "the definition of insanity is -- doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result" that's us now and wonder do we as a county, clubs, players. coaches (and I include myself in the latter) honestly understand the nature of the problem? Do we know where we stand when compared to other counties in terms of playing population, number of coaches, number of games played, the relationship between Fitzgibbon and senior success? I am no advocating navel gazing but believe we have to understand the problem and work smart. Back in 1995 or so Liam Griffin said 'a way of life' a culture of hurling was at risk in Wexford and once again this is true. Senior success is the shop window, its the glamour, the thing that pulls in players and their parents, this is all the more vital in towns (where the populations are growing). We need every 5 to be lifting silverware (Leinster at least), without it everything is harder. Other counties have significally raised the bar too, not just the traditional ones but the likes of Kildare, Westmeath etc meaning NOTHING is easy and can be taken for granted. Is the problem coaching, is it culture, is it player volume and retention? We have to understand this to counter it. We have to draw a line in the sand and soon. In the short terms this team and management have to preserve our Liam McCarthy status at a minimum. I still love hurling, I still love the purple and gold. Up Wexford.
wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 94 - 12/05/2025 12:54:36
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Replying To countyman2022: "Sums up posters on this page. A goalkeeper who will never tog for Wex again after this year due to performance and a man who has been dropped off the panel on your starting team. Baffling." Which player dropped of the panel?
Dropping j Lawlor and duggan (best keeper we have) was a huge mistake
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Replying To goreyll: "What are you on about? Are you getting Kennedy and Duggan mixed up? Kennedy was 16 on Saturday and Roche was on the Dublin bench" I am not getting mixed up- maybe you are not aware of Kennedys performance against Carlow, no other keeper to have on bench currently since it. Roche has been gone from panel since Dublin game.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 793 - 12/05/2025 12:59:33
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Replying To Waltermitty2: "Unless schools have dedicated gaa teachers nothing is gained and them schools will be hurling anyway. Iv seen it 1st hand. Glorified play time in alot of schools. Gives the impression that great work is being done and looks great on Facebook or X." Dunno about where you are but ours was good the last 2 years, overseen by qualified coaches from the club, and current intercounty players.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 12/05/2025 13:05:56
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Does anyone have the permutations at hand from Leinster GAA for a three-way tie? Was looking for them but can't find
Would've thought that a three-way tie would be settled by a mini-league based on the three games between the three teams rather than score difference
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 498 - 12/05/2025 13:15:42
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Which player dropped of the panel?
Dropping j Lawlor and duggan (best keeper we have) was a huge mistake" Thought Cian Byrne (rosslare) deserved a chance as well. Hurled in goal for DCU in fitzgibbon and looked accomplished in the games I saw.
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Does anyone have the permutations at hand from Leinster GAA for a three-way tie? Was looking for them but can't find
Would've thought that a three-way tie would be settled by a mini-league based on the three games between the three teams rather than score difference" I think its a mini league between the 3 teams tied looking online but cant find anything definitive . We need to do our job on Saturday then pray Dublin can do us a huge favour on Sunday. Then we have a chance but its hard to see at this stage given our performances that we can win both games never mind Dublin beating Kilkenny in Nowlan Park
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 585 - 12/05/2025 14:15:11
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Replying To countyman2022: "I am not getting mixed up- maybe you are not aware of Kennedys performance against Carlow, no other keeper to have on bench currently since it. Roche has been gone from panel since Dublin game." Duggan was our best club keeper last few years, never got a chance. Wouldn't blame him for spending more time with his kids this year. And getting ready for the upcoming club championship.
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Thought Cian Byrne (rosslare) deserved a chance as well. Hurled in goal for DCU in fitzgibbon and looked accomplished in the games I saw." He's the best younger keeper we have, as in early 20s. Paddy Quigley is an excellent prospect.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 12/05/2025 14:34:04
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Before any snap decisions are made re Rossiter, we would want to know the alternative. I remember my father lamenting the sacking of John Meyler and we ended up with Colm Bonner which was a disastrous reign. It can be a case of being careful what you wish for.
Nobody will want this job with the players we have right now I don't think. I believe we are in a doom spiral now which is the worst thing, players won't commit because its a no-hope situation so less players commit.
We need to do what we did to bring about 3 x U21 titles. Focus all our investment and time and money on underage. Be it schools, club coaches, development squads, etc. Limerick did this and look where it brought them.
A question though, do you think your club is there to win for themselves or to provide players of the standard to play for Wexford? I think clubs in Wexford care more about their own turf and winning a club championship at every level than about Wexford being successful. I heard this manifests itself in tug-of-war battles over club players attending development squads and clubs wanting to keep them themselves. Is it not in the clubs best interest for players to get the best coaching they can at the highest level?" People don't agree with my view but I believe the point of a club is to provide county players.
I love my club, but if players aren't trying to reach the level where they dream of trophies for Wexford in croke Park then we're doing it wrong.
If we weren't producing county players I would consider the club a massive failure.
It's clear one club in particular has no interest in the county and has been that way for nearly 20 years.
A real shame because they produced the best hurler ever to play the game in my opinion.
Granted I never saw him but my grandfather was adamant about it and he saw all the greats of that era in the flesh.
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Replying To wexford2012: "Well lads, that was one disappointing and deflating day in Salthill. Firstly I wish to acknowledge that NO ONE, not players, not management, goes out to anything other than do their best and its very easy for us to come on here and gripe and snipe BUT top level sport is about results and we are not getting them and a 10 point defeat was shocker.
I listened to Rossi on South East and he was clear that the performance was no where near expectations. I know we're not at training so can't see what happens behind closed doors but I'm still at a loss to understand how we set up against Dublin - conceding the puc out - has this been explained by management, it had to have been a tactical decision??
We have to accept overall though that what we expect from our senior team is probably not reasonable. We expect them to, despite a lack of underage (no minor All Ireland in almost 60 years), no schools success, lack of club progress in the Leinster club championships - to deliver, its illogical really. If Rossi had a slew of successful minor and or u20 player and was failing to convert to senior, we could rightly ask questions but he doesn't and we're asking him to preform a form or alchemy. This is not be absolve management or indeed players of responsibility, you put on the jersey and assume not just kudos but responsibility and Saturday too many of them didn't look like they understood this.
Not sure of Einstein actually every really said this but "the definition of insanity is -- doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result" that's us now and wonder do we as a county, clubs, players. coaches (and I include myself in the latter) honestly understand the nature of the problem? Do we know where we stand when compared to other counties in terms of playing population, number of coaches, number of games played, the relationship between Fitzgibbon and senior success? I am no advocating navel gazing but believe we have to understand the problem and work smart. Back in 1995 or so Liam Griffin said 'a way of life' a culture of hurling was at risk in Wexford and once again this is true. Senior success is the shop window, its the glamour, the thing that pulls in players and their parents, this is all the more vital in towns (where the populations are growing). We need every 5 to be lifting silverware (Leinster at least), without it everything is harder. Other counties have significally raised the bar too, not just the traditional ones but the likes of Kildare, Westmeath etc meaning NOTHING is easy and can be taken for granted. Is the problem coaching, is it culture, is it player volume and retention? We have to understand this to counter it. We have to draw a line in the sand and soon. In the short terms this team and management have to preserve our Liam McCarthy status at a minimum. I still love hurling, I still love the purple and gold. Up Wexford." Super post. I personally love the Griffin quotes. The man is a hurling evangelist.
You're right of course. We're playing for a way of life now.
However I don't think underage success is all important but it certainly helps.
I think what hurts people the most is from the outside it looks like we're doing this to ourselves so often.
I can live with being beaten if we've done everything in our control and Lost to a superior team. I might be delusional, but far too often that just isn't the case.
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Would've thought that a three-way tie would be settled by a mini-league based on the three games between the three teams rather than score difference" Here's the best that I could find online. It was used last year.
"If two teams finish on equal points then they will be separated by their head-to-head record.
If three or more teams finish on the same points then the teams are separated by the number of League Points obtained in the 'Head-to-Head' games between those teams, followed by the higher scoring difference in these 'Head-to-Head' games, the higher Scoring Difference in all games in the round-robin phase, the higher Scores For in all games in the round-robin phase, and failing that, a play-off."
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Here's the best that I could find online. It was used last year.
"If two teams finish on equal points then they will be separated by their head-to-head record.
If three or more teams finish on the same points then the teams are separated by the number of League Points obtained in the 'Head-to-Head' games between those teams, followed by the higher scoring difference in these 'Head-to-Head' games, the higher Scoring Difference in all games in the round-robin phase, the higher Scores For in all games in the round-robin phase, and failing that, a play-off."" Thanks, from what I could gather, that looks like the Leinster format whereas the Munster format is just score-difference for a three-way tie
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 498 - 12/05/2025 15:32:42
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Replying To Doylerwex: "People don't agree with my view but I believe the point of a club is to provide county players.
I love my club, but if players aren't trying to reach the level where they dream of trophies for Wexford in croke Park then we're doing it wrong.
If we weren't producing county players I would consider the club a massive failure.
It's clear one club in particular has no interest in the county and has been that way for nearly 20 years.
A real shame because they produced the best hurler ever to play the game in my opinion.
Granted I never saw him but my grandfather was adamant about it and he saw all the greats of that era in the flesh." Tbf, the club in question have had very little success at Senior since 2006, have they not produced county players because they weren't interested in producing county players or is it because they've been struggling to produce enough good club hurlers?
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