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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To TerribleFootwork: "[quote=james2011: "[quote=Pikeman96: "This is one of those times when quoting posts just gets all muddled up, so I'm not bothering to quote.
But in reply to <b>James2011</b> and his "So fixture congestion is a reason to deprive 80-90% of minor players playing a properly structured competition." -
It's the exact opposite. The rule we have <u>avoids</u> a situation where <u>100%</u> of minor players couldn't play in properly structured minor competitions between early September and late October, because a small number of them would be lining out in adult championships at weekends as well.
I say 100% because remember how even the ones fit and able for adult competition would still be involved in the held-up minor championships too.
Also remember that resuming minor championships at end of October would lead to even further problems for the U21 grades.
Anyway, question again to <b>icehonesty</b> - do you have a workable solution to how we can play minor championships <u>and</u> adult championships throughout September and October, if minor players are allowed to play in both? I'd still love to hear it. I really would."</div>Think you may have picked me up wrong here, I was agreeing with your point.
That being, if its viewed that its wrong that only because of fixture congestion that 10% of minors dont get to play adult, then where is the consideration for the 90% of minors who sit around waiting for games to be played because of the few minors playing adult. Are we to cater for as many for as long as we can, or the elite players who will end up playing adult regardless.
Plus, it should also be noted that there is a very clear trend of younger players coming into adult inter county dropping way back. Before, take 1996 for example, we had 2 players starting on our senior AI team that were on our U21 team that year. Now we pretty much have no one starting that is under 21, and havent since Conor Mac and Rory O Connor. Look at other intercounty teams and look at the young player of the year award. Its rare to find many starters in county set ups now U21, the trend is that players are that bit older before they break in, so whats the urgency in rushing 18s into adult games, when they have hurling and football championships in club and schools and then likely one code at county minor." Think that's combination of the S&C requirements and changing from u21 to u20 at intercounty, might be wrong but the last ready made 19 year old in either code I can think of is David Clifford."]Adam Hogan in Clare last year."]Sorry knit picking here but think he was 20 rather than 19 when he broke into the Clare team, Ciaran Joyce, Eoin Cody and Adrian Mullen all broke through as 20 year olds too.
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Maybe so, I know he's playing away at soccer with Fasnet so presumed he wasn't in if that's the case." Was talking to someone else there now who said there are only the 4 keepers in at the minute and 1 has to be dropped at some stage.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18997 - 24/01/2024 13:44:20
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Replying To Viking66: "Watched the GC KCBS Senior A SF on clubber. GC were 8 down at HT but closed to within a point. Maybe left it behind them as they lost by 2 in the end after turning down points to go for goals when 1 point down. O Brien from Cushinstown looks a good prospect think he's eligible for minor this year, or maybe not til next year. Think the commentator said he was only in 3rd class." As far as I know o Brien is 16. He is very well taught about within the club.
Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 386 - 24/01/2024 14:15:39
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=TerribleFootwork: "[quote=james2011: "[quote=Pikeman96: "This is one of those times when quoting posts just gets all muddled up, so I'm not bothering to quote.
But in reply to <b>James2011</b> and his "So fixture congestion is a reason to deprive 80-90% of minor players playing a properly structured competition." -
It's the exact opposite. The rule we have <u>avoids</u> a situation where <u>100%</u> of minor players couldn't play in properly structured minor competitions between early September and late October, because a small number of them would be lining out in adult championships at weekends as well.
I say 100% because remember how even the ones fit and able for adult competition would still be involved in the held-up minor championships too.
Also remember that resuming minor championships at end of October would lead to even further problems for the U21 grades.
Anyway, question again to <b>icehonesty</b> - do you have a workable solution to how we can play minor championships <u>and</u> adult championships throughout September and October, if minor players are allowed to play in both? I'd still love to hear it. I really would."</div>Think you may have picked me up wrong here, I was agreeing with your point.
That being, if its viewed that its wrong that only because of fixture congestion that 10% of minors dont get to play adult, then where is the consideration for the 90% of minors who sit around waiting for games to be played because of the few minors playing adult. Are we to cater for as many for as long as we can, or the elite players who will end up playing adult regardless.
Plus, it should also be noted that there is a very clear trend of younger players coming into adult inter county dropping way back. Before, take 1996 for example, we had 2 players starting on our senior AI team that were on our U21 team that year. Now we pretty much have no one starting that is under 21, and havent since Conor Mac and Rory O Connor. Look at other intercounty teams and look at the young player of the year award. Its rare to find many starters in county set ups now U21, the trend is that players are that bit older before they break in, so whats the urgency in rushing 18s into adult games, when they have hurling and football championships in club and schools and then likely one code at county minor." Think that's combination of the S&C requirements and changing from u21 to u20 at intercounty, might be wrong but the last ready made 19 year old in either code I can think of is David Clifford."]Adam Hogan in Clare last year."]Sorry knit picking here but think he was 20 rather than 19 when he broke into the Clare team, Ciaran Joyce, Eoin Cody and Adrian Mullen all broke through as 20 year olds too."]Not sure what date his birthday is tbh but he was definitely 19 on the 1st January last year!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18997 - 24/01/2024 15:30:33
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Seen 4 Wexford players starting for DCU freshers tonight. Robbie Delaney (Shels), Darragh Farrell (Bunclody), Luke Murphy ( Harriers) and Darragh Murphy from Glynn. Darby Purcell from the Harriers was in the subs while Dylan Purcell from Duffry and Cian Doyle from Shels were the 2 last listed subs on a panel of 30 so probably injured, Purcell was starting for them in league games before Xmas. I'd imagine all 7 are in the u20 panel.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 24/01/2024 22:52:53
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To TerribleFootwork: "[quote=Viking66: "[quote=TerribleFootwork: "[quote=james2011: "[quote=Pikeman96: "This is one of those times when quoting posts just gets all muddled up, so I'm not bothering to quote.
But in reply to <b>James2011</b> and his "So fixture congestion is a reason to deprive 80-90% of minor players playing a properly structured competition." -
It's the exact opposite. The rule we have <u>avoids</u> a situation where <u>100%</u> of minor players couldn't play in properly structured minor competitions between early September and late October, because a small number of them would be lining out in adult championships at weekends as well.
I say 100% because remember how even the ones fit and able for adult competition would still be involved in the held-up minor championships too.
Also remember that resuming minor championships at end of October would lead to even further problems for the U21 grades.
Anyway, question again to <b>icehonesty</b> - do you have a workable solution to how we can play minor championships <u>and</u> adult championships throughout September and October, if minor players are allowed to play in both? I'd still love to hear it. I really would."</div>Think you may have picked me up wrong here, I was agreeing with your point.
That being, if its viewed that its wrong that only because of fixture congestion that 10% of minors dont get to play adult, then where is the consideration for the 90% of minors who sit around waiting for games to be played because of the few minors playing adult. Are we to cater for as many for as long as we can, or the elite players who will end up playing adult regardless.
Plus, it should also be noted that there is a very clear trend of younger players coming into adult inter county dropping way back. Before, take 1996 for example, we had 2 players starting on our senior AI team that were on our U21 team that year. Now we pretty much have no one starting that is under 21, and havent since Conor Mac and Rory O Connor. Look at other intercounty teams and look at the young player of the year award. Its rare to find many starters in county set ups now U21, the trend is that players are that bit older before they break in, so whats the urgency in rushing 18s into adult games, when they have hurling and football championships in club and schools and then likely one code at county minor." Think that's combination of the S&C requirements and changing from u21 to u20 at intercounty, might be wrong but the last ready made 19 year old in either code I can think of is David Clifford."]Adam Hogan in Clare last year."]Sorry knit picking here but think he was 20 rather than 19 when he broke into the Clare team, Ciaran Joyce, Eoin Cody and Adrian Mullen all broke through as 20 year olds too."]Not sure what date his birthday is tbh but he was definitely 19 on the 1st January last year!!!"]Bit surprised Fanning is back involved? I guess no one would like to finish up their career the way it was looking he was going to. Lawlor didn't fill me with much confidence either last year. Thought Rossiter would be looking elsewhere, the KK man might still get a chance?
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Seen 4 Wexford players starting for DCU freshers tonight. Robbie Delaney (Shels), Darragh Farrell (Bunclody), Luke Murphy ( Harriers) and Darragh Murphy from Glynn. Darby Purcell from the Harriers was in the subs while Dylan Purcell from Duffry and Cian Doyle from Shels were the 2 last listed subs on a panel of 30 so probably injured, Purcell was starting for them in league games before Xmas. I'd imagine all 7 are in the u20 panel." Is Darragh Farrell still u20? Be good if he is! Thought he did well against Galway in Carlow last year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18997 - 25/01/2024 08:14:38
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Replying To Viking66: "Is Darragh Farrell still u20? Be good if he is! Thought he did well against Galway in Carlow last year." I think he is anyway.
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What story with darragh carley, injured?
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Replying To hunting: "What story with darragh carley, injured?" Yeah I think so, he was before xmas anyway as he missed Glynn's u21 semi final, hasn't figured in the Fitzgibbon either for DCU.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 25/01/2024 12:12:16
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Yeah I think so, he was before xmas anyway as he missed Glynn's u21 semi final, hasn't figured in the Fitzgibbon either for DCU." He's back running. He was running with the panel on the sideline up in Ferns at the SETU Waterford game.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18997 - 25/01/2024 12:23:00
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Yeah I think so, he was before xmas anyway as he missed Glynn's u21 semi final, hasn't figured in the Fitzgibbon either for DCU." How serious is the injury and is he still under 20? He impressed me a lot with his distribution and the ground he covered for the 20s last year. I think he may have something to offer the seniors in years to come
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Replying To Afinestick: "How serious is the injury and is he still under 20? He impressed me a lot with his distribution and the ground he covered for the 20s last year. I think he may have something to offer the seniors in years to come" He's not u20 this year. Was very good for them last year. He was jogging up and down the pitch behind me up in Ferns but Im not sure what his injury is or when he's coming back from it.
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Replying To Afinestick: "How serious is the injury and is he still under 20? He impressed me a lot with his distribution and the ground he covered for the 20s last year. I think he may have something to offer the seniors in years to come" Heard he broke his arm
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Replying To Afinestick: "How serious is the injury and is he still under 20? He impressed me a lot with his distribution and the ground he covered for the 20s last year. I think he may have something to offer the seniors in years to come" I agree think he's 1 of a good few of last 2 u20 teams with a bit of potential.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 25/01/2024 13:37:16
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Replying To hunting: "What story with darragh carley, injured?" He had surgery on his forearm.
He is part of the panel and is expected to be available for championship.
Not 100% but I think he's overage now for the 20s
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Team named.
Nice to see duggan, Ryan and Molloy getting a start.
Darragh Carley is on the bench
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Team named! First starts for Molloy and James Byrne. Donohue and Carley fit to be named on the bench for the 1st time. Galway have named a similarly experimental side. Hope its a good game!
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Replying To Viking66: "Team named! First starts for Molloy and James Byrne. Donohue and Carley fit to be named on the bench for the 1st time. Galway have named a similarly experimental side. Hope its a good game!" Galway have named a team with a lot of big men. Probably have 8 players who could start come championship and we have 5/6 who will be championship starters
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 200 - 27/01/2024 10:02:12
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Replying To wexfordwin: "Galway have named a team with a lot of big men. Probably have 8 players who could start come championship and we have 5/6 who will be championship starters" Definite starter Damien Reck. Likely starters Jacko and Kevin if they keep the good form they are in. Possible starters Charlie, Conor Foley, Richie at the minute, and anyone else who has a really good League, but they will have to do very well in the League to dislodge lads from this team-
Fanning
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Devitt, D Reck, O'Hanlon
Dee, Kevin Foley
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ROC, Mac, Dunbar
And that's assuming Mogie doesn't come back in as he would be an automatic starter for me.
Only Reck was an automatic championship starter off that team named for tomorrow last year and he was injured for pretty much all of it.
Galways team is pretty experimental also with plenty of lads needing to prove themselves. But it's relatively stronger than our team. They have 5 lads who started last years AISF against Limeeick plus Tom Monaghan who came on in the 2nd half of the AISF. If you add up championship appearances over the last 2 years between tomorrow's 2 teams Galways would be a long way ahead of ours.
I really don't see how anyone can say 5 or 6 from tomorrow's Wexford team WILL be championship starters. They will have to show alot of improvement over the League, consistently, and/or hope other established lads are injured or out of form.
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