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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "I'd have to disagree with the schools bit, most of the finals last 6 years have been Kierans v Athenry....Kierans have actually won more all Ireland's than Leinsters over the last period so I don't know if Harty Cup is as high a standard as it's given credit for. Same few teams always in business end. Ardscoil, Athenry, Kierans,...then get a few like Good Counsel, Kilkenny CBS, Gort, Loughrea, Templemore, Flannans, Thurles that make up semi finals, quarter finals a lot of the time as well over last 8 years. Might get the odd Tulla or CBC or Peter's thrown in there but by im large it's the same schools year in year out once it gets to all Ireland series and usually more times than not it's Kierans playing Athenry in a final which Kierans win in last 6 or 7 years.
Agree a bit with Wexford schools not doing well in Leinster, I know Counsel won Leisnter a few years ago but the old barb of them being half a Kilkenny school throw around, but Peter's decline since 2017ish has been dissapointing as well as Enniscorty. Wexford CBS should probably be doing a bit better too. I do think a combined Wexford schools team wouldn't be a bad shout for a year, maybe not long term but wouldn't mind it for a year, would be a nice boost for lads to win a Leisnter A title and maybe win a B all Ireland with their own schools. Just an idea, maybe just for a little boost for schools in the county. Shouldn't think we're above it, or even a combined Wexford town schools team or something. Be a nice link with Wexford u20s too. Did wonders for Offaly." In 2022 Kierans didn't make the Leinster final but got to the All Ireland, Leinster final was Good Counsel v Dublin Schools South and the combined teams can't go further than Leinster, Kierans won a play off against the other beaten Leinster semi finalist to proceed to the AI series.
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Darragh Ryan is Eoin's uncle rather than Dad." Sorry my apologies I heard he was daraghs son.. has the makings of a good hurler though
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "What's your obsession with pointing out the strength or lack of with the opposition selection, to me both teams approached it similarly with their selections, our lads were just more up for it, more in tune with each other and frankly deserved to win by more." Im not obsessed with it but im being honest. It was a poor enough kk team and i already said wexford should of won by more that the scoreline flattered kk.this isnt to take away from the good performance and the win. Wexford have a hoodo over kk but its against galway and dublin this has to be backed up but important to keep the foot on the throat as 2 games coming up away.They tell me guilfoyle is substituted in a lot of club matches and none of that u20 winning team are near making the senior team. I think rossy will get the best out of lads. Hes a likeable guy who bleeds wexford.The movement was good Saturday.
That kilkenny podcast is wake tae i think scally is a wexford man thats over the racecourse in gowran
Slowandshortsighted (UK) - Posts: 73 - 23/01/2024 22:30:08
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Yeah just finished listening to a podcast they put out, 2 lads on that reckoned we'd at least 7 definite championship starters playing on Saturday, also weren't hopeful on our championship chances seemed to think we're closer to relegation than top 3 in Leinster, suppose the disgraceful display against Westmeath last year is still in mind." Listened to it too. Yer man's away with it!
It would be great if 7 of those lads stepped up to be championship starters but its unlikely. If we have a fully fit and, as importantly, in form panel to choose from, as of now I'd go with-
Fanning
Reck, Ryan, Donohue
Devitt, Reck, O Hanlon
Kevin Foley, Dee O Keefe
Jacko, Chin, Oisin Foley
ROC, Mac, Dunbar.
That's 3 who played in Callan. Obviously if any of the newer lads really shine in the League that could change.( Id also like to see how quick and accurate Duggan or Kennedy were on puckouts in an intercounty game.) And obviously that's what Keith would be hoping. Would be great to have 7 lads on the bench who were as good as anyone they would be replacing.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18993 - 23/01/2024 22:39:12
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "But do you not feel that with only 3 schools in Wexford being capable of being remotely competitive in this competition and the rest of the county playing 2nd grade hurling rather than competing v St Kierans etc you are denying yourself the opportunity to play top teams?
I think that as a whole hurling in Leinster is below the standard in Munster and that is also at schools level. Only St. Kierans are ever close to comepeting with Ard Scoil Ris, St Flannans, North Mon, etc when it comes to All Irelands. Playing better teams, more often, raises the standard of the competition. And most of the time I think their best test comes from Kilkenny CBS or occasionally Good Counsel with half a team from Kilkenny.
Again it comes back to the old debate of do you play with your school in a poor standard competition that nobody remembers or knows about, or in a better competition with a combined school, and what is in the best interest of the county minor hurling (and football) teams?
Another part of the Wexford GAA identity crisis." Enniscorthy lads played senior A on the combined schools team last time we had them. Now they are playing Senior A for their own school. Wouldn't it be better if we could get 4 or maybe 5 schools separately in Senior A instead of just the usual 2 and a combined one?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18993 - 23/01/2024 22:41:35
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Watched the GC KCBS Senior A SF on clubber. GC were 8 down at HT but closed to within a point. Maybe left it behind them as they lost by 2 in the end after turning down points to go for goals when 1 point down. O Brien from Cushinstown looks a good prospect think he's eligible for minor this year, or maybe not til next year. Think the commentator said he was only in 3rd class.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18993 - 23/01/2024 23:38:52
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "But do you not feel that with only 3 schools in Wexford being capable of being remotely competitive in this competition and the rest of the county playing 2nd grade hurling rather than competing v St Kierans etc you are denying yourself the opportunity to play top teams?
I think that as a whole hurling in Leinster is below the standard in Munster and that is also at schools level. Only St. Kierans are ever close to comepeting with Ard Scoil Ris, St Flannans, North Mon, etc when it comes to All Irelands. Playing better teams, more often, raises the standard of the competition. And most of the time I think their best test comes from Kilkenny CBS or occasionally Good Counsel with half a team from Kilkenny.
Again it comes back to the old debate of do you play with your school in a poor standard competition that nobody remembers or knows about, or in a better competition with a combined school, and what is in the best interest of the county minor hurling (and football) teams?
Another part of the Wexford GAA identity crisis." Combining is a short term look at where you want to be and could end up taking away from the strategic view. We need to upskill a greater number of players at an earlier age. That means putting a greater focus on schools and ensuring the correct structures and coaches are in there. Combining may give a smaller number of players tge opportunities to play at a higher level but it would also distract from the ultimate aim. Its easy to slip into the winning the comined is tge most important thing and then ends up consuming all tge resources. After school is done you can funnel the better players into academies. In 96 we didn't have anything in place to take advantage of the win. If we take the view that winning anything is better now that continued success, we will have one all ireland ever 50 yrs. Each year we will think it's going to be different to the last, it's just madness.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2190 - 24/01/2024 07:08:00
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is there any lads likely to return to action this weekend ? Also Rossi did say last weekend they may decide to appeal Tucker Kinsella's red card did they decide to appeal after? Looked like the KK player made a complete meal of it to me
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Replying To Afinestick: "is there any lads likely to return to action this weekend ? Also Rossi did say last weekend they may decide to appeal Tucker Kinsella's red card did they decide to appeal after? Looked like the KK player made a complete meal of it to me" Wouldn't see any point in appealing it. Yes for a big lad he went down like a professional soccer player but the rules state that that is a red card offence.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18993 - 24/01/2024 09:32:16
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Replying To Viking66: "Watched the GC KCBS Senior A SF on clubber. GC were 8 down at HT but closed to within a point. Maybe left it behind them as they lost by 2 in the end after turning down points to go for goals when 1 point down. O Brien from Cushinstown looks a good prospect think he's eligible for minor this year, or maybe not til next year. Think the commentator said he was only in 3rd class." He's starting for the minors in all challenge games, he'll start this year and he's underage again next year. He's 16. Dad won a minor all Ireland with Kilkenny and his grandfather is Jimmy O'Brien, of the great Wexford teams of the 60s. So good hurling family. Quiet a strongly built lad, don't think he'll be that tall but he's a very strong lad already. Great striker and free taker too. Good prospect.
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 332 - 24/01/2024 09:34:33
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Replying To Slowandshortsighted: "Im not obsessed with it but im being honest. It was a poor enough kk team and i already said wexford should of won by more that the scoreline flattered kk.this isnt to take away from the good performance and the win. Wexford have a hoodo over kk but its against galway and dublin this has to be backed up but important to keep the foot on the throat as 2 games coming up away.They tell me guilfoyle is substituted in a lot of club matches and none of that u20 winning team are near making the senior team. I think rossy will get the best out of lads. Hes a likeable guy who bleeds wexford.The movement was good Saturday.
That kilkenny podcast is wake tae i think scally is a wexford man thats over the racecourse in gowran" Yeah its an odd one the last few years we can mix it with KK but struggle v Galway while its the other way around for Dublin against those 2.
Scally is originally from just outside Athlone but was working in Wexford for a bit, yeah your right he's the manger at Gowran racecourse.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 24/01/2024 09:41:27
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Replying To Pikeman96: "This is one of those times when quoting posts just gets all muddled up, so I'm not bothering to quote.
But in reply to James2011 and his "So fixture congestion is a reason to deprive 80-90% of minor players playing a properly structured competition." -
It's the exact opposite. The rule we have avoids a situation where 100% of minor players couldn't play in properly structured minor competitions between early September and late October, because a small number of them would be lining out in adult championships at weekends as well.
I say 100% because remember how even the ones fit and able for adult competition would still be involved in the held-up minor championships too.
Also remember that resuming minor championships at end of October would lead to even further problems for the U21 grades.
Anyway, question again to icehonesty - do you have a workable solution to how we can play minor championships and adult championships throughout September and October, if minor players are allowed to play in both? I'd still love to hear it. I really would." Think you may have picked me up wrong here, I was agreeing with your point.
That being, if its viewed that its wrong that only because of fixture congestion that 10% of minors dont get to play adult, then where is the consideration for the 90% of minors who sit around waiting for games to be played because of the few minors playing adult. Are we to cater for as many for as long as we can, or the elite players who will end up playing adult regardless.
Plus, it should also be noted that there is a very clear trend of younger players coming into adult inter county dropping way back. Before, take 1996 for example, we had 2 players starting on our senior AI team that were on our U21 team that year. Now we pretty much have no one starting that is under 21, and havent since Conor Mac and Rory O Connor. Look at other intercounty teams and look at the young player of the year award. Its rare to find many starters in county set ups now U21, the trend is that players are that bit older before they break in, so whats the urgency in rushing 18s into adult games, when they have hurling and football championships in club and schools and then likely one code at county minor.
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Replying To Viking66: "Listened to it too. Yer man's away with it!
It would be great if 7 of those lads stepped up to be championship starters but its unlikely. If we have a fully fit and, as importantly, in form panel to choose from, as of now I'd go with-
Fanning
Reck, Ryan, Donohue
Devitt, Reck, O Hanlon
Kevin Foley, Dee O Keefe
Jacko, Chin, Oisin Foley
ROC, Mac, Dunbar.
That's 3 who played in Callan. Obviously if any of the newer lads really shine in the League that could change.( Id also like to see how quick and accurate Duggan or Kennedy were on puckouts in an intercounty game.) And obviously that's what Keith would be hoping. Would be great to have 7 lads on the bench who were as good as anyone they would be replacing." I suppose he also said Limerick definitely wouldn't win the All Ireland which was a head scratcher. Also Andy Kennedy isn't in the panel, its Cian Byrne along with the other 3 keepers.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 24/01/2024 10:07:49
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Replying To Viking66: "Watched the GC KCBS Senior A SF on clubber. GC were 8 down at HT but closed to within a point. Maybe left it behind them as they lost by 2 in the end after turning down points to go for goals when 1 point down. O Brien from Cushinstown looks a good prospect think he's eligible for minor this year, or maybe not til next year. Think the commentator said he was only in 3rd class." That's good to hear, making a team at that age is serious going as its almost an u19 competition these days, Paddy Quigley in goal I think is u17 this year was in goal on the u17 team last year too, most recognisable names to me on the GCC team were Eoghan Lyng from the Rower and Marty Murphy from Tullogher.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 24/01/2024 10:12:46
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Replying To james2011: " Replying To Pikeman96: "This is one of those times when quoting posts just gets all muddled up, so I'm not bothering to quote.
But in reply to <b>James2011</b> and his "So fixture congestion is a reason to deprive 80-90% of minor players playing a properly structured competition." -
It's the exact opposite. The rule we have <u>avoids</u> a situation where <u>100%</u> of minor players couldn't play in properly structured minor competitions between early September and late October, because a small number of them would be lining out in adult championships at weekends as well.
I say 100% because remember how even the ones fit and able for adult competition would still be involved in the held-up minor championships too.
Also remember that resuming minor championships at end of October would lead to even further problems for the U21 grades.
Anyway, question again to <b>icehonesty</b> - do you have a workable solution to how we can play minor championships <u>and</u> adult championships throughout September and October, if minor players are allowed to play in both? I'd still love to hear it. I really would."</div>Think you may have picked me up wrong here, I was agreeing with your point.
That being, if its viewed that its wrong that only because of fixture congestion that 10% of minors dont get to play adult, then where is the consideration for the 90% of minors who sit around waiting for games to be played because of the few minors playing adult. Are we to cater for as many for as long as we can, or the elite players who will end up playing adult regardless.
Plus, it should also be noted that there is a very clear trend of younger players coming into adult inter county dropping way back. Before, take 1996 for example, we had 2 players starting on our senior AI team that were on our U21 team that year. Now we pretty much have no one starting that is under 21, and havent since Conor Mac and Rory O Connor. Look at other intercounty teams and look at the young player of the year award. Its rare to find many starters in county set ups now U21, the trend is that players are that bit older before they break in, so whats the urgency in rushing 18s into adult games, when they have hurling and football championships in club and schools and then likely one code at county minor." Think that's combination of the S&C requirements and changing from u21 to u20 at intercounty, might be wrong but the last ready made 19 year old in either code I can think of is David Clifford.
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@James2011 - think I picked you up wrongly all right. And thanks for agreeing with me! :)
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "I suppose he also said Limerick definitely wouldn't win the All Ireland which was a head scratcher. Also Andy Kennedy isn't in the panel, its Cian Byrne along with the other 3 keepers." One of his family told me he got brought in for a look after the game in Gorey. Maybe he's been let go again.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18993 - 24/01/2024 11:56:27
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "He's starting for the minors in all challenge games, he'll start this year and he's underage again next year. He's 16. Dad won a minor all Ireland with Kilkenny and his grandfather is Jimmy O'Brien, of the great Wexford teams of the 60s. So good hurling family. Quiet a strongly built lad, don't think he'll be that tall but he's a very strong lad already. Great striker and free taker too. Good prospect." Cushinstown have some great young lads coming through. Probably be 3 on the minor team/panel.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18993 - 24/01/2024 11:58:08
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: " Replying To james2011: "[quote=Pikeman96: "This is one of those times when quoting posts just gets all muddled up, so I'm not bothering to quote.
But in reply to <b>James2011</b> and his "So fixture congestion is a reason to deprive 80-90% of minor players playing a properly structured competition." -
It's the exact opposite. The rule we have <u>avoids</u> a situation where <u>100%</u> of minor players couldn't play in properly structured minor competitions between early September and late October, because a small number of them would be lining out in adult championships at weekends as well.
I say 100% because remember how even the ones fit and able for adult competition would still be involved in the held-up minor championships too.
Also remember that resuming minor championships at end of October would lead to even further problems for the U21 grades.
Anyway, question again to <b>icehonesty</b> - do you have a workable solution to how we can play minor championships <u>and</u> adult championships throughout September and October, if minor players are allowed to play in both? I'd still love to hear it. I really would."</div>Think you may have picked me up wrong here, I was agreeing with your point.
That being, if its viewed that its wrong that only because of fixture congestion that 10% of minors dont get to play adult, then where is the consideration for the 90% of minors who sit around waiting for games to be played because of the few minors playing adult. Are we to cater for as many for as long as we can, or the elite players who will end up playing adult regardless.
Plus, it should also be noted that there is a very clear trend of younger players coming into adult inter county dropping way back. Before, take 1996 for example, we had 2 players starting on our senior AI team that were on our U21 team that year. Now we pretty much have no one starting that is under 21, and havent since Conor Mac and Rory O Connor. Look at other intercounty teams and look at the young player of the year award. Its rare to find many starters in county set ups now U21, the trend is that players are that bit older before they break in, so whats the urgency in rushing 18s into adult games, when they have hurling and football championships in club and schools and then likely one code at county minor." Think that's combination of the S&C requirements and changing from u21 to u20 at intercounty, might be wrong but the last ready made 19 year old in either code I can think of is David Clifford."]Adam Hogan in Clare last year.
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Replying To Viking66: "One of his family told me he got brought in for a look after the game in Gorey. Maybe he's been let go again." Maybe so, I know he's playing away at soccer with Fasnet so presumed he wasn't in if that's the case.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 24/01/2024 12:25:01
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