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Replying To Canuck:  "Clooney his first hate is Waterford. Second Ballygunner and then Clare. Though ye get elevated because of the success enjoying now and our demise. Lets not stoop to ever treating the great Wexford people like that. Never engage directly with this buffoon."
Are you telling me none of those 3 players dived and made a meal of things? Honestly. If you can't see that it is almost as bad as you not seeing the discipline issues Waterford have had for years. That's all I have pointed out. Pretty factual.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 793 - 26/05/2023 15:56:44    2481778

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "No but id give Wexford a shout for one next year.................................."
Big day out in Croker

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2320 - 26/05/2023 16:19:06    2481788

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Replying To Viking66:  "You shouldn't let him get the better of you Canuck! When you rise he wins!"
He never will Viking. I will just point out to others how much of a clown he is and you are given him too much credit. Every time he talks just shows which end of his body the brains are.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3044 - 26/05/2023 16:36:05    2481790

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Replying To Viking66:  "You shouldn't let him get the better of you Canuck! When you rise he wins!"
He never will Viking. I will just point out to others how much of a clown he is and you are given him too much credit. Every time he talks just shows which end of his body the brains are.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3044 - 26/05/2023 16:41:14    2481792

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The injury train continues. Prunty, Barron or Gleeson will not play Sunday. Add to the all ready DeBurca, Kiely and McNulty. Nearly half a team missing.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3044 - 26/05/2023 17:01:24    2481799

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Replying To Canuck:  "He never will Viking. I will just point out to others how much of a clown he is and you are given him too much credit. Every time he talks just shows which end of his body the brains are."
Polite as usual I see. One man who doesnt like the truth.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 793 - 26/05/2023 17:39:29    2481803

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Replying To slayer:  "A few points about diving etc, I think hurling has changed for a few reasons over the past ten years. In no particular order:

1 - Paul Kinnerk's coaching 2017 - 2022 pretty much perfected the art of the tackle in hurling
2 - Limerick have had a lot of success with this tackling
3 - MacCarthy Cup teams are spending record amounts of money in team preparation
4 - Counties who have not won silverware over the last 5 years are under massive pressure to deliver
5 - Naturally, teams will analyse how to win & tackling is a huge part of this
6 - Each team has stats coaches who have an influence on management
7 - Coming back to point 1, teams now look for more success in tackles & distribution
- players duck their heads in tackles
- players try to show referees they are in posession & have momentum, to win a free (hands up, lean forward)
- off the ball there is more holding to stop the opponent get that 5M burst to a ball
- it is very noticeable in 2023 that no team wants an opposition player running > 10M with the ball
8 - Under current rules, what a referee decides is totally open to interpretation by supporters
9 - Claims of bias are futile really, referees are trying to keep everyone happy, what a thankless job
10 - Everyone is trying to get that 5% that makes champions
- I think the only thing we can all agree on is that we don't want simulation/diving/feigning injury
- We should understand the pressures that each Management team member & player is under
- hurling is still a great game, cut out simulation and we have a superb product marketable the world over"
I haven't watched much hurling lately and probably won't until the All-Ireland final, and even then it will be hard. Young kids tend to keep you busy. But even as a non-hurling person, seeing the frustration of the football folks with things like a poorly defined tackle rule (if it's even that), I'm pretty confident when I say that one thing that will tick off hurling fans and maybe even turn off neutral fans who might be turned on to hurling is a poorly defined rule that's open to the interpretation of everyone and is applied inconsistently, frustrating everyone off in the process.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1174 - 26/05/2023 17:49:33    2481805

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Back to topic on forum..cork look to have picked the bigger physical players for Sunday..the 6 forwards are big and very mobile..looking forward to Dalton/Hayes clash..surprised if the Limerick team I've heard starts,no cahal o neill according to reports..surely he starts..very surprised tipp have gone so strong,thought there might have been a few changes..don't know what Waterford are going to do,one change and it's the goalkeeper..looking forward to another fantastic days hurling from Munster..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2510 - 26/05/2023 18:35:54    2481811

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A load of dummy team ms named for Sunday including my own county. GAA need to look at this. If a player is named to start and doesn't he shouldn't be allowed come on either. I'll be shocked if most teams haven't at least two changes before throw in

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 26/05/2023 19:57:06    2481819

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hopefully Limerick win Munster but if they don't I'd love Clare to win it."
Ah Viking! Here was me thinking Tipp were your second team ;)

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 26/05/2023 20:53:13    2481821

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Replying To Canuck:  "The injury train continues. Prunty, Barron or Gleeson will not play Sunday. Add to the all ready DeBurca, Kiely and McNulty. Nearly half a team missing."
Tipp are missing 10 of the players that played against Waterford last year. The Waterford team looks like it will have more experience in it than the Tipp team but at this point it's pure guess work what either team will start as almost every manager has gone with a dummy team this weekend.
Still no sign of Forde back for Tipp or Niall O'Meara and now Morris gone as well so a lot of pressure on Kehoe and O'Connor to get the scores on Sunday.
I'd be very interested to know what Waterford have done since the Tipp match. Cant be easy going training for a game like this

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 27/05/2023 07:55:47    2481848

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Replying To tiobraid:  "A load of dummy team ms named for Sunday including my own county. GAA need to look at this. If a player is named to start and doesn't he shouldn't be allowed come on either. I'll be shocked if most teams haven't at least two changes before throw in"
Yes, another ridiculous ruling implemented by the GAA, without thinking it through. Remind me, what was the reasoning behind it?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2774 - 27/05/2023 08:19:27    2481849

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Yes, another ridiculous ruling implemented by the GAA, without thinking it through. Remind me, what was the reasoning behind it?"
Journalists seemed to be among the main people calling for it. Dublin had a team named and sent to printers before their last training session yesterday evening, AFTER which they decided who the starting 15 will be. I'd imagine. And no different to any others.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3524 - 27/05/2023 08:37:27    2481852

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Tipp are missing 10 of the players that played against Waterford last year. The Waterford team looks like it will have more experience in it than the Tipp team but at this point it's pure guess work what either team will start as almost every manager has gone with a dummy team this weekend.
Still no sign of Forde back for Tipp or Niall O'Meara and now Morris gone as well so a lot of pressure on Kehoe and O'Connor to get the scores on Sunday.
I'd be very interested to know what Waterford have done since the Tipp match. Cant be easy going training for a game like this"
Is it case that Cahill is gambling on keeping lads fresh and well for the final, and figuring they might have enough anyway to beat a team in low ebb?

Lot of talk about Waterford playing for pride etc, but they had three other games to put it all out there. No reason to think they will be any better tomorrow, without being too harsh on them.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3524 - 27/05/2023 08:58:45    2481856

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Ah Viking! Here was me thinking Tipp were your second team ;)"
I supported Tipp on the 2010 AIF which I watched in Sullivans in Kilsheelan! Think that was the only time I'm afraid Tiobraid!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15731 - 27/05/2023 10:12:54    2481866

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Is it case that Cahill is gambling on keeping lads fresh and well for the final, and figuring they might have enough anyway to beat a team in low ebb?

Lot of talk about Waterford playing for pride etc, but they had three other games to put it all out there. No reason to think they will be any better tomorrow, without being too harsh on them."
If Tipp lose tomorrow, and Limerick v Cork is a draw, there will be no final for Tipp and their season will be over.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2774 - 27/05/2023 11:31:41    2481877

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "If Tipp lose tomorrow, and Limerick v Cork is a draw, there will be no final for Tipp and their season will be over."
Tipp must lose by 5 and then cork/lim match a draw for them to miss out

Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 124 - 27/05/2023 12:03:37    2481885

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Is it case that Cahill is gambling on keeping lads fresh and well for the final, and figuring they might have enough anyway to beat a team in low ebb?

Lot of talk about Waterford playing for pride etc, but they had three other games to put it all out there. No reason to think they will be any better tomorrow, without being too harsh on them."
Exactly, hard to imagine them turning when it doesn't count if they couldn't turn up when it actually mattered.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2320 - 27/05/2023 12:09:38    2481886

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Is it case that Cahill is gambling on keeping lads fresh and well for the final, and figuring they might have enough anyway to beat a team in low ebb?

Lot of talk about Waterford playing for pride etc, but they had three other games to put it all out there. No reason to think they will be any better tomorrow, without being too harsh on them."
No Tipp don't have that luxury with the amount of players missing. The only ones not playing will be ones that are out injured

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 27/05/2023 12:19:16    2481887

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Yes, another ridiculous ruling implemented by the GAA, without thinking it through. Remind me, what was the reasoning behind it?"
Absolute rubbish. No need for it at all. There's two sides to it too though…some managers are going to name dummy teams anyway. Prunty for Waterford apparently has surgery on the horizon and was never going to play anyway. Yet the rule they bring in is to make teams name their teams earlier instead of bringing in something to discourage them naming any old team

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 27/05/2023 12:26:39    2481889

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