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Replying To Oldtourman: "1899, (they had a terrific battle with LK in '87 - THE Champs that year), 1900 and 1911. they played their last Leinster Final in 1922. In the twenties they beat Meath, Laois Louth and Kildare in the Leinster Championship.. The last win was significant as Kildare won three All Irelands between 1919 and 1928, inclusive. Dublin and Kerry each won three as well in that ten year period. Quite simply, they appear to have made a conscious decision to just throw Football overboard about 1930." Interesting. Thanks OTM. Were they playing as a county team or represented by a club pre 1921? baire (Galway) - Posts: 1805 - 26/07/2023 10:24:29 2496982 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "1899, (they had a terrific battle with LK in '87 - THE Champs that year), 1900 and 1911. they played their last Leinster Final in 1922. In the twenties they beat Meath, Laois Louth and Kildare in the Leinster Championship.. The last win was significant as Kildare won three All Irelands between 1919 and 1928, inclusive. Dublin and Kerry each won three as well in that ten year period. Quite simply, they appear to have made a conscious decision to just throw Football overboard about 1930." There are still pockets of Kilkenny which are very much into football. Its just that these are small. I'd say you are right though there must have been some sort of decision at some level made to concentrate on hurling. A good decision for the county as regards total all Irelands won. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 26/07/2023 10:39:35 2496990 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "To be fair, Fair (no pun intended), this is NOT a vintage Kilkenny team. Star player is a 34 year old TJ Reid. Bringing on players like Hogan, Buckley, Walsh etc who were winning All Irelands 10, hell 15 years ago. That's always a bad sign. They're good enough to scrape a few Leinsters and maybe get to a few League and All Ireland finals, but they're easy pickings to this Limerick team. If I was Lyng, I'd seriously consider dropping Padraig Walsh, Walter Walsh, Richie Hogan, Conor Fogarty, Cillian Buckley from the panel. Maybe even TJ. (A lot of them might retire anyway). Not because they're not great hurlers or servants to Kilkenny hurling. And not because they don't offer anything to the team because they clearly do. But because Kilkenny will not win another All Ireland with those players in the panel. A root and branch clear out. Even if the new players he brings in at the start get a few trimmings, or don't get near an All Ireland for another half decade. I'm fine with that. I'm sick of reaching All Ireland finals which we're clearly not good enough." Some of them especially Walter offer a great deal off the bench. But not as starters. Probably time to try bring in a few more lads like Clifford, Drennan, Doyle, and Bay Hammond and give them good Senior intercounty S and C and more experience, a process that Lyng already started this year in fairness to him. As Phelan has shown you need more players with more pace and Bay Hammond would be a good lad to develop as he has pace to burn. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 26/07/2023 10:45:46 2496991 Link
Replying To baire: "Interesting. Thanks OTM. Were they playing as a county team or represented by a club pre 1921?" Definitely up until 1913 the club champions represented Kilkenny. Not sure for how many years after that. But they had guest players also. For example Tullaroan beat Mooncoin in the County hurling final and ended up representing Kilkenny when they won their 1st AI hurling title in 1904, but 3 Mooncoin lads were guests on the Tullaroan team representing Kilkenny. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 26/07/2023 10:56:15 2496999 Link
How would people rate this years championship out of 10? I'm going to say 8 out of 10 hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 26/07/2023 10:57:28 2497002 Link
Replying To hurlorhurley: "How would people rate this years championship out of 10? I'm going to say 8 out of 10" Munster championship 10/10 Leinster championship 6/10 All Ireland series 7.5/10 daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1128 - 26/07/2023 11:39:41 2497023 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "To be fair, Fair (no pun intended), this is NOT a vintage Kilkenny team. Star player is a 34 year old TJ Reid. Bringing on players like Hogan, Buckley, Walsh etc who were winning All Irelands 10, hell 15 years ago. That's always a bad sign. They're good enough to scrape a few Leinsters and maybe get to a few League and All Ireland finals, but they're easy pickings to this Limerick team. If I was Lyng, I'd seriously consider dropping Padraig Walsh, Walter Walsh, Richie Hogan, Conor Fogarty, Cillian Buckley from the panel. Maybe even TJ. (A lot of them might retire anyway). Not because they're not great hurlers or servants to Kilkenny hurling. And not because they don't offer anything to the team because they clearly do. But because Kilkenny will not win another All Ireland with those players in the panel. A root and branch clear out. Even if the new players he brings in at the start get a few trimmings, or don't get near an All Ireland for another half decade. I'm fine with that. I'm sick of reaching All Ireland finals which we're clearly not good enough." A very honest post & a very good one. I thought Tom Phelan was outstanding on Sunday and is the kind of player needed to take on Limerick. But when I checked his age he is 28. Kilkenny may get 4-5 more years out of him at the top level. When I look at teams equipped to beat Limerick Clare are still the biggest threat. Kilkenny know how to beat Clare so the last two semi finals went the Cats way. But Clare know how to beat Limerick and the two meetings in Munster were belters of games. Meeting in Croker might put a different twist on it. Enjoying this one for now though. Have watched the second half nine times already and each time just in awe of what our lads have achieved. Impossible to be anything but proud & happy right now. Luimneach Abú! slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 26/07/2023 11:43:22 2497025 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "To be fair, Fair (no pun intended), this is NOT a vintage Kilkenny team. Star player is a 34 year old TJ Reid. Bringing on players like Hogan, Buckley, Walsh etc who were winning All Irelands 10, hell 15 years ago. That's always a bad sign. They're good enough to scrape a few Leinsters and maybe get to a few League and All Ireland finals, but they're easy pickings to this Limerick team. If I was Lyng, I'd seriously consider dropping Padraig Walsh, Walter Walsh, Richie Hogan, Conor Fogarty, Cillian Buckley from the panel. Maybe even TJ. (A lot of them might retire anyway). Not because they're not great hurlers or servants to Kilkenny hurling. And not because they don't offer anything to the team because they clearly do. But because Kilkenny will not win another All Ireland with those players in the panel. A root and branch clear out. Even if the new players he brings in at the start get a few trimmings, or don't get near an All Ireland for another half decade. I'm fine with that. I'm sick of reaching All Ireland finals which we're clearly not good enough." Fair assessment. Personally, I think Clare; in particular the manager miss a trick, they should have been able to get to the final. Playing a sweeper meant he afforded Kilkenny too much respect and changed it only when Kilkenny had a decent lead. In fairness to the Kilkenny manager, he is depending on the guys you've named because the talent coming through is not what it was back twenty-twenty five years ago. Kilkenny minors and u20s have suffered some surprised defeats in the Leinster championship in recent years and aren't winning All Irelands at either grade on a regular basis as before. It makes the job of the senior manager more difficult when he doesn't have the talent to work with. I'm sure Kilkenny will come good but I can't see them winning an All Ireland in the short term. Having said that, I can't see anyone winning an All Ireland while this current Limerick squad is around. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 26/07/2023 12:41:10 2497046 Link
Replying To Viking66: "There are still pockets of Kilkenny which are very much into football. Its just that these are small. I'd say you are right though there must have been some sort of decision at some level made to concentrate on hurling. A good decision for the county as regards total all Irelands won." Railyard in North Kilkenny plays Gaelic football and I think Mullinavat in the South of the county plays football. Not that much in between of much note anyway. Gaelic Football's very much a minority sport down by the sweet Nore. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2166 - 26/07/2023 12:45:24 2497048 Link
Replying To endgame: "Railyard in North Kilkenny plays Gaelic football and I think Mullinavat in the South of the county plays football. Not that much in between of much note anyway. Gaelic Football's very much a minority sport down by the sweet Nore." It is for sure. Its like the pockets of Mayo and Donegal that play hurling. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 26/07/2023 14:03:38 2497074 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "To be fair, Fair (no pun intended), this is NOT a vintage Kilkenny team. Star player is a 34 year old TJ Reid. Bringing on players like Hogan, Buckley, Walsh etc who were winning All Irelands 10, hell 15 years ago. That's always a bad sign. They're good enough to scrape a few Leinsters and maybe get to a few League and All Ireland finals, but they're easy pickings to this Limerick team. If I was Lyng, I'd seriously consider dropping Padraig Walsh, Walter Walsh, Richie Hogan, Conor Fogarty, Cillian Buckley from the panel. Maybe even TJ. (A lot of them might retire anyway). Not because they're not great hurlers or servants to Kilkenny hurling. And not because they don't offer anything to the team because they clearly do. But because Kilkenny will not win another All Ireland with those players in the panel. A root and branch clear out. Even if the new players he brings in at the start get a few trimmings, or don't get near an All Ireland for another half decade. I'm fine with that. I'm sick of reaching All Ireland finals which we're clearly not good enough." Alan Murphy is another guy he should show the door too, he adds nothing to the setup. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1910 - 26/07/2023 14:33:36 2497085 Link
Yet Dublin have no issue with lads who won All Ireland's 12 years ago being key men on Sunday!! Double standards surely. No point in dropping experienced lads unless others of better ability step up. Based on Club championship TJ still most influential hurler in Kilkenny Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1496 - 26/07/2023 14:48:42 2497091 Link
Replying To baire: "A fancied KK team? A KK team still relying on TJ Reid, Walter Walsh, Conor Fogarty and Richie Hogan in this year's final. They were on a fancied team 8+ years ago." Every KK team is 'fancied' with Offaly folk. A lot of them wear KK pyjamas, too. Even Duignan told us last thing on Sunday before throwin that he 'fancied' KK. Then again, many have accused Duignan for years of wearing KK underwear in his punditry exploits. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3423 - 26/07/2023 16:20:10 2497118 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Yet Dublin have no issue with lads who won All Ireland's 12 years ago being key men on Sunday!! Double standards surely. No point in dropping experienced lads unless others of better ability step up. Based on Club championship TJ still most influential hurler in Kilkenny" TJ wasn't the problem on Sunday. He played a lovely pass into Mossy in the 2nd half who was like Bambi on ice trying to control it. A few others like Mossy aswel, good tryers but just a bit off for top level hurling. Colin Fennelly would of caused wreck in that instance, he would of been the right man for Dan Morrissey last Sunday. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 729 - 26/07/2023 20:25:40 2497174 Link
Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Kilkenny have beaten Clare the 2nd best team in Munster in the last 2 semi finals, Galway have beaten Cork and Tipp in the QF the last 2 years, there record vs Munster opposition since 2015 is 9 wins, 1 draw and 6 loses ( 4 of those against Limerick), Offaly have been in the Joe McDonagh or Christy Ring since 2018. Do you not realise Limerick managed the 4 week gap between the Munster final and the All Ireland series brilliantly? their a different team in Croke Park, I'd imagine Cork watching that yesterday were thinking jeez there some outfit, Limerick would have blown away every team in the country with that 2nd half display yesterday." Cian Lynch played no full game in Munster. At full flight Last Sunday and in the 2021 Munster and All Ireland Finals he showed the difference he can make when fully fit. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 27/07/2023 11:33:12 2497249 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "Cian Lynch played no full game in Munster. At full flight Last Sunday and in the 2021 Munster and All Ireland Finals he showed the difference he can make when fully fit." No doubt we are a 5-6 point better team when he plays and the stats would probably back that up. Watching it live i thought he was a clear motm and watching it back on tv last night reinforced it even more, over the 70 mins he was unreal. Gearoid Hegarty stepped up and was the main man last year, Lynch was the main man this year. Maybe it's my green glasses but i thought his performance was completely understated, his vision and ability to bring order to the chaos of a packed middle third was what really sets this team apart, the team just plays better when he is on the field Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 387 - 27/07/2023 12:01:10 2497254 Link
Replying To baire: "Poor enough match the first half? I don't know what match you were looking at, this year's AIF? If so, what was poor about it?" I've attended every All-ireland Hurling final since 1977, first halves are never that great. Most finals aren't great spectacles no matter what the sport. You don't agree. I can live with that. You have your opinion and I have mine. Limericks 2nd half was the best I've seen. Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 118 - 27/07/2023 13:10:19 2497277 Link
Replying To baire: "Interesting. Thanks OTM. Were they playing as a county team or represented by a club pre 1921?" As far as I know Baire most countieswere represented by what were basically club sides , the county Champions with good players drawn from other clubs, but by means the full blown beast available from any.county. I think the first really fully selected county team to win an All Ireland was LK in 1918. The previous year NCW won the county but decided not to pick the county team themselves, but handed the task over to the county board. Only one NCW Player was selected and he was from the nearby parish of Monagae. He was Willie Hough the Captain. I think every county quickly followed suit. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 27/07/2023 15:24:38 2497316 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "To be fair, Fair (no pun intended), this is NOT a vintage Kilkenny team. Star player is a 34 year old TJ Reid. Bringing on players like Hogan, Buckley, Walsh etc who were winning All Irelands 10, hell 15 years ago. That's always a bad sign. They're good enough to scrape a few Leinsters and maybe get to a few League and All Ireland finals, but they're easy pickings to this Limerick team. If I was Lyng, I'd seriously consider dropping Padraig Walsh, Walter Walsh, Richie Hogan, Conor Fogarty, Cillian Buckley from the panel. Maybe even TJ. (A lot of them might retire anyway). Not because they're not great hurlers or servants to Kilkenny hurling. And not because they don't offer anything to the team because they clearly do. But because Kilkenny will not win another All Ireland with those players in the panel. A root and branch clear out. Even if the new players he brings in at the start get a few trimmings, or don't get near an All Ireland for another half decade. I'm fine with that. I'm sick of reaching All Ireland finals which we're clearly not good enough." A very good assessment of where KK are after last Sunday. You are correct about the age profile of players, who won AIs in the past. Time to look for newer players, but I just wonder if the talent pool in Kilkenny is as deep as in former years. Results at underage hurling have not been as rewarding for the Cats as in former years. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 28/07/2023 11:53:15 2497414 Link
Replying To thelongridge: "A very good assessment of where KK are after last Sunday. You are correct about the age profile of players, who won AIs in the past. Time to look for newer players, but I just wonder if the talent pool in Kilkenny is as deep as in former years. Results at underage hurling have not been as rewarding for the Cats as in former years." They reached a Leinster minor final and a Leinster u20 semifinal this year. And had excellent players on both teams. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 28/07/2023 17:28:17 2497504 Link