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Replying To katser:  "Only Waterford were able to beat Tipperary this year in Munster, all the others struggled badly against them."
Ah Katser how about brain BEFORE finger. Or use your fingers for other jobs; )

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 25/07/2023 16:52:40    2496873

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "That's a new philosophy! Supporting Limerick in Munster since the 90's? And you always support the underdog (Limerick are top dog),and hate the Big 3? ( which is nonsense anyway). I just support Cork, and am ambivalent to whoever comes out of Leinster. I do believe that Cork will be best equipped to challenge Limerick in the next few years, and as regards physicality and commitment, this is already improving under Pat Ryan's management. Alan Connolly, Mark Coleman, and Robbie Flynn hopefully will be back next year.Finally , the second half that Limerick produced was top drawer, and points scored were breathtaking stuff. Great hurling and the Cats had no answer! Munster should be another cauldron next year, and we as supporters should be thankful we have committed amateur sportsmen to cheer on every year! Personally, I think the provincials have run their course, but there isn't a chance of any change, as the Munster Championship is a goldmine for GAA!"
I surely don't hate the big 3. Just perhaps they've won enough til everyone else catches up. I have posted on this forum before that maybe the provincial should be run off as straight knockout which would then only take 3 weekends, 6 teams in Munster plus Antrim and Galway and the 8 top hurling counties in Leinster with seeded draws, and afterwards with 2 mixed round robins for the AI series, with whoever wins the provincials seeded apart and guaranteed games at home in the Round Robins.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 25/07/2023 16:59:23    2496877

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Replying To bloodandbandage:  "That's fair enough, and apologies if my post was a bit sharp, but I can't accept that LK were only at 'half pace' for a game that was do or die. Lose and they were gone.
Re Cork, you are correct, and this year was hugely disappointing, especially when you consider one more point against either Clare, LK or Tipp would have seen us through. I firmly believe if we had Mark Coleman, Alan Connolly and Robbie O'Flynn available we would have qualified. Those 3 were a huge loss to us."
I think you would have qualified also. I think if you played Tipp 10 times in a row you would beat them 6 and 7 times right now. Tipp will come back strong through. Like yourselves and Galway they have the playing numbers. OK maybe half paced was a poor choice of words but Limerick weren't at their peak by any means.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 25/07/2023 17:03:56    2496879

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Replying To St.Mologga:  "Just wondering is Alan Cadogan still part of Pat Ryan's plans going foward, I rate this lad very highly & especially when a strong panel is required to compete at the highest level."
Good player but must be in his early 30s now? It's not as if you need more older heads to guide the younger lads you have Horgan, Harnedy, Lehane, there as well. Harnedy still would offer you that bit of physicality too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 25/07/2023 17:08:22    2496881

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "I never could get my head around why he (Alan Cadogan)wasn't used more. He was brought on against Galway in 2022 quarter final, scored 3 points, but didn't figure much this year. At this point, Cadogan is pushing 30, focus will be on introducing players from U20's teams, so it doesn't look like he's in Ryan's plans.There will be extreme competition for places from Ben Cunningham, Brian Hayes and Padraig Power amongst others . Cadogan is also a fine footballer and could have easily made the county team in the past! Ryan has an army of players to choose from and we'll be looking forward to a rocking PUC next year in round robin,when Limerick visit!"
If Wexford aren't playing the same day I might bring the kids down to see it. As they don't have to drive the car they love PUC; )

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 25/07/2023 17:14:11    2496884

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Replying To Viking66:  "I surely don't hate the big 3. Just perhaps they've won enough til everyone else catches up. I have posted on this forum before that maybe the provincial should be run off as straight knockout which would then only take 3 weekends, 6 teams in Munster plus Antrim and Galway and the 8 top hurling counties in Leinster with seeded draws, and afterwards with 2 mixed round robins for the AI series, with whoever wins the provincials seeded apart and guaranteed games at home in the Round Robins."
2 round robins of 6 teams based on League placings

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 25/07/2023 17:31:06    2496892

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Replying To skillet:  "You're very needy pal..."
He's also very optimistic when you see how Galway fared against Limerick just a few weeks ago.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2302 - 25/07/2023 17:36:12    2496895

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Replying To Viking66:  "Ah Katser how about brain BEFORE finger. Or use your fingers for other jobs; )"
Ok, struggled bad is a bit of an exaggeration, but the others were not able to beat Tipperary.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2481 - 25/07/2023 18:32:11    2496912

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Replying To Viking66:  "Good player but must be in his early 30s now? It's not as if you need more older heads to guide the younger lads you have Horgan, Harnedy, Lehane, there as well. Harnedy still would offer you that bit of physicality too."
I feel Cadogan has still alot to offer, especially as teams all need lads who make an impact from the bench. Maybe Pat Ryan will dispense Alan, but I hope not.

St.Mologga (Cork) - Posts: 121 - 25/07/2023 19:04:29    2496919

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Replying To St.Mologga:  "Just wondering is Alan Cadogan still part of Pat Ryan's plans going foward, I rate this lad very highly & especially when a strong panel is required to compete at the highest level."
Cadogan made it back onto the bench for Cork's last game this year against Limerick. I was surprised to see him
named. I thought he was long gone. So, it seems that Pat Ryan has some time for him anyway!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2107 - 25/07/2023 19:55:57    2496927

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "KK performance against Waterford in 08 in the first half was also great. Scored 2-16"
They did but Waterford asked no questions that day. Kilkenny asked serious questions of Limerick on Sunday. To outscore Kilkenny 18-04 after the second Kilkenny goal was incredible.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6145 - 25/07/2023 22:27:31    2496941

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "everyone is NOT mentioning that Limerick also put a fancied Kilkenny set up to the sword in the league final only a few short months ago after Kilkenny had a great finish to the league beating Cork in the semi final...very few seem to remember that..Limerick were laying out their stall to Kilkenny in that league final in no uncertain manner, there seems to be this unspoken that Kilkenny just collapsed in the second half on Sunday, they were out classed more than collapsed..few teams will look back in years to come and (for now anyway) say they beat Kilkenny in 3 finals (2 All Irelands and one NHL) in the space of 10 months...it is a rare achievement against a team of Kilkennys pedigree..."
To be fair, Fair (no pun intended), this is NOT a vintage Kilkenny team. Star player is a 34 year old TJ Reid. Bringing on players like Hogan, Buckley, Walsh etc who were winning All Irelands 10, hell 15 years ago. That's always a bad sign.

They're good enough to scrape a few Leinsters and maybe get to a few League and All Ireland finals, but they're easy pickings to this Limerick team.

If I was Lyng, I'd seriously consider dropping Padraig Walsh, Walter Walsh, Richie Hogan, Conor Fogarty, Cillian Buckley from the panel. Maybe even TJ. (A lot of them might retire anyway). Not because they're not great hurlers or servants to Kilkenny hurling. And not because they don't offer anything to the team because they clearly do. But because Kilkenny will not win another All Ireland with those players in the panel.

A root and branch clear out. Even if the new players he brings in at the start get a few trimmings, or don't get near an All Ireland for another half decade. I'm fine with that. I'm sick of reaching All Ireland finals which we're clearly not good enough.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 26/07/2023 00:48:02    2496952

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Replying To Buachaillbui:  "Congratulations to limerick. Poor enough match the first half which is understandable. Limerick fantastic second half. Got better and better each match. Deserved champions. Limerick were doubted and answered all the questions thrown at them. Good luck to yee"
Poor enough match the first half? I don't know what match you were looking at, this year's AIF? If so, what was poor about it?

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 26/07/2023 08:51:07    2496956

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "That's an interesting theory, but how do you rationalise the Galway Tipp game evaluation then?"
See Tipp's last game in Munster for reference. The writing was on the wall then.

bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 353 - 26/07/2023 08:52:26    2496957

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "That's a new philosophy! Supporting Limerick in Munster since the 90's? And you always support the underdog (Limerick are top dog),and hate the Big 3? ( which is nonsense anyway). I just support Cork, and am ambivalent to whoever comes out of Leinster. I do believe that Cork will be best equipped to challenge Limerick in the next few years, and as regards physicality and commitment, this is already improving under Pat Ryan's management. Alan Connolly, Mark Coleman, and Robbie Flynn hopefully will be back next year.Finally , the second half that Limerick produced was top drawer, and points scored were breathtaking stuff. Great hurling and the Cats had no answer! Munster should be another cauldron next year, and we as supporters should be thankful we have committed amateur sportsmen to cheer on every year! Personally, I think the provincials have run their course, but there isn't a chance of any change, as the Munster Championship is a goldmine for GAA!"
A gold mine for the Munster council you mean! There's no reason why we can't have both, the traditional Munster championship and a separate AI championship.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 26/07/2023 08:56:35    2496958

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Replying To bloodandbandage:  "Complete nonsense. You clearly weren't at the game, and from what I've read of your posts to date, it's fairly obvious you don't have much time for Cork.
It's funny reading some of the Leinster posters (mainly Wexford) telling us all how Limerick were only half cocked during their Munster campaign, as if that's the only explanation plausible for both KK and Galway being well beaten, and the Munster games being close. They may have started Munster slowly, yes, but I'd say from the second half of the Tipp match onwards they found their mojo.
Anyway, huge congrats to Limerick, I've always admired them as a hurling county and wouldn't begrudge them any success."
I largely agree with the above points. However Cian Lynch was not fit during the RR Series and Peter Casey was played in a far deeper more defensive. When these boys are fully fit and play in a more attacking manner they showed what an asset they can be on Sunday as they did in the 2021 AIF, the last game they were both fully fit.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4468 - 26/07/2023 09:20:28    2496965

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Replying To endgame:  "He's also very optimistic when you see how Galway fared against Limerick just a few weeks ago."
Since 2018 Galway were the closest to beating Limerick in an AIF and many Limerick posters stated here that they were more worried about Galway than any other county. Having lost the likes of Canning, D Burke, Harte, Coen and others the present Galway team is not as strong, However, apart from Limerick who are on a different level they will more than likely be in the top 4 or 5 next year and in a the near future. At this point in time, if Limerick have all their top players back, uninjured, next year it's hard to see any team beating them in Croke Park.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 26/07/2023 09:22:09    2496966

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "everyone is NOT mentioning that Limerick also put a fancied Kilkenny set up to the sword in the league final only a few short months ago after Kilkenny had a great finish to the league beating Cork in the semi final...very few seem to remember that..Limerick were laying out their stall to Kilkenny in that league final in no uncertain manner, there seems to be this unspoken that Kilkenny just collapsed in the second half on Sunday, they were out classed more than collapsed..few teams will look back in years to come and (for now anyway) say they beat Kilkenny in 3 finals (2 All Irelands and one NHL) in the space of 10 months...it is a rare achievement against a team of Kilkennys pedigree..."
A fancied KK team? A KK team still relying on TJ Reid, Walter Walsh, Conor Fogarty and Richie Hogan in this year's final. They were on a fancied team 8+ years ago.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 26/07/2023 09:31:50    2496970

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Replying To baire:  "When was that, Viking?"
1899, (they had a terrific battle with LK in '87 - THE Champs that year), 1900 and 1911. they played their last Leinster Final in 1922. In the twenties they beat Meath, Laois Louth and Kildare in the Leinster Championship.. The last win was significant as Kildare won three All Irelands between 1919 and 1928, inclusive. Dublin and Kerry each won three as well in that ten year period.
Quite simply, they appear to have made a conscious decision to just throw Football overboard about 1930.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4468 - 26/07/2023 09:41:35    2496971

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Replying To St.Mologga:  "I feel Cadogan has still alot to offer, especially as teams all need lads who make an impact from the bench. Maybe Pat Ryan will dispense Alan, but I hope not."
Was such a lethal corner forward, I posted about him a few months back, don't know why he has not been utilised far more over the years I can only assume he has been plagued with injuries. In a county that has been so reliant on Hoggie over the years it surely can be the only explanation for leaving a player if his calibre out.

Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 26/07/2023 09:57:17    2496977

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