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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "OTB did a very good early preview of the All Ireland Final this evening. Consensus was that Dublin have rebuilt strength in depth from the bench, at least for this season, and this gives them the edge over Kerry.
Kerry need to be 4 to 5 points up at HT to cope."
I heard that. What kind of farcical journalism is that? Thank God they're not covered by a licence fee. Hopefully Monaghan and Derry use plenty like that to put fire in their performances. Pressure is on Dublin and Kerry now to keep that level of perfromance up.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 04/07/2023 09:00:46    2492032

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Replying To arock:  "Is there a reason why Dublin v Monaghan is on Sat and Kerry v Derry is on Sun at 4? Why not switch days around? A bit hard on the 2 sets of Sunday travelling fans. Please do not tell it is something to do with TV arrangements."
Would'nt be very fair on Kerry fans to travel home 4 hours or more at 7.45pm after the Sat game, some would nit be home till after 12am. That would be the reason.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 788 - 04/07/2023 09:29:06    2492040

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Well said Stonegrey but not everyone might be as sporting as you. On here we have some posters (a minority T. G) that are more worried about other counties demise than their own counties results. The practice of "eoicaricacy" or "schaucenfreude" comes to mind. These people are eaten by jealousy. I like you don't wish any team a hiding. Just glad to win although close games are bad for the heart. Anyway fair play to you as you seem like a true sport."
I admire any team that plays good open football the majority of the time and if it takes a good hiding for negative teams including my own county who have no interest in playing football to wake up well so be it. The xxxxx that Ulster teams played last weekend is not even worth the GAAGO price never mind 40 euro.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 04/07/2023 09:58:21    2492049

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Nothing to apologise for CiarraiMick, it's was our neighbours in blue who were doing the goading. Bad enough young boys but middle aged father as well. Uncalled for by Tyrone supporter and was rightly told to shut te ***** up. A good day out all the same except for result and traffic.Best of luck with rest of year and watching Clifford."
Ah thanks Saynothing. Oh I did nt realise twas a Monaghan supporter goading you. Again uncalled for and thanks for the kind comments Saynothing.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 04/07/2023 10:44:00    2492070

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Replying To artisan:  "With one all ireland win in a decade, ulster football should start asking themselves if the tactics work.

If Monaghan and Derry are bate out the gate in the semi finals for instance, it would seem illogical to persist with the same football next year."
What tactics do work?

Mayo don't play like any Ulster team....they were in the last 10 years the most easy on the eye team of the lot. No blankets, kick passing, fast flow. What did it get them?

Kerry have hardly been amazing in the last decade by their standards. 2 titles, Tyrone have 1.

Irrespective of what happens...Its inconceivable for Monaghan to go toe to toe with Dublin in a shootout. It will not work. Their best bet is to slow things down and frustrate Dublin as much as possible. Likely the same for Derry who have more of a shot.

I've watched Monaghan play multiple different ways in the league and ulster over many years and they will go with what tactics they think will give them the best outcome. One of the best games I ever saw was Monaghan play Armagh (4-17 to 2-21) in 2021...Ulster teams can play attacking football that's amazing to watch but there is no chance of playing like that for 70 mins against, for all intents and purposes, a professional team like Dublin and expecting to come close.

I don't think the fans of Monaghan or Derry would care how it looks if they are still within reach of winning at 65 mins and rightly so.

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 04/07/2023 11:10:08    2492077

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "OTB did a very good early preview of the All Ireland Final this evening. Consensus was that Dublin have rebuilt strength in depth from the bench, at least for this season, and this gives them the edge over Kerry.
Kerry need to be 4 to 5 points up at HT to cope."
I listened to that with a wry smile too.

We need not bother it seems.

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 04/07/2023 11:23:52    2492084

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "I admire any team that plays good open football the majority of the time and if it takes a good hiding for negative teams including my own county who have no interest in playing football to wake up well so be it. The xxxxx that Ulster teams played last weekend is not even worth the GAAGO price never mind 40 euro."
Every game and every team plays different styles of football depending on who the opposition are. I have even watched Dublin and Kerry play defensive and keep that ball tactics . Everybody wants to see open football and many games that Monaghan and indeed Armagh have played have been very open and high scoring . To use last weekends high intensity game and as an ulster person to hope another ulster team gets a hiding, is not being a true GAA fan . In fact it's insulting to all those players who give everything and sacrifice so much for us supporters .

Positivity (Monaghan) - Posts: 9 - 04/07/2023 11:36:47    2492091

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "I admire any team that plays good open football the majority of the time and if it takes a good hiding for negative teams including my own county who have no interest in playing football to wake up well so be it. The xxxxx that Ulster teams played last weekend is not even worth the GAAGO price never mind 40 euro."
Coming from one in the midst of the "black death of football".

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 496 - 04/07/2023 14:42:44    2492163

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Replying To Gator:  "What tactics do work?

Mayo don't play like any Ulster team....they were in the last 10 years the most easy on the eye team of the lot. No blankets, kick passing, fast flow. What did it get them?

Kerry have hardly been amazing in the last decade by their standards. 2 titles, Tyrone have 1.

Irrespective of what happens...Its inconceivable for Monaghan to go toe to toe with Dublin in a shootout. It will not work. Their best bet is to slow things down and frustrate Dublin as much as possible. Likely the same for Derry who have more of a shot.

I've watched Monaghan play multiple different ways in the league and ulster over many years and they will go with what tactics they think will give them the best outcome. One of the best games I ever saw was Monaghan play Armagh (4-17 to 2-21) in 2021...Ulster teams can play attacking football that's amazing to watch but there is no chance of playing like that for 70 mins against, for all intents and purposes, a professional team like Dublin and expecting to come close.

I don't think the fans of Monaghan or Derry would care how it looks if they are still within reach of winning at 65 mins and rightly so."
Dublin are not a professional team .

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 04/07/2023 15:13:10    2492179

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Dublin are not a professional team ."
To all intents and purposes they are.

They just don't get a salary.

Everything in the Dublin set up is professional compared to the rest.

Its not a dig, its just reality and envy.

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 04/07/2023 15:59:40    2492210

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Replying To Gator:  "To all intents and purposes they are.

They just don't get a salary.

Everything in the Dublin set up is professional compared to the rest.

Its not a dig, its just reality and envy."
That's like saying to "all intents and purposes this is a square only it doesn't have 4 sides". Most of the elite IC teams are "professional" in their set up.
I suppose Stephen Cluxton just turns up to his school to give a hand when he is not training.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1990 - 04/07/2023 16:16:32    2492215

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Replying To avonali:  "That's like saying to "all intents and purposes this is a square only it doesn't have 4 sides". Most of the elite IC teams are "professional" in their set up.
I suppose Stephen Cluxton just turns up to his school to give a hand when he is not training."
No, its not as that would make no sense. Maybe if you said I was making a Rhombus or a rectangle seem a square you have a point. Its why I didn't just say Dublin are professional...They are not as the players don't get a salary. Same as each other team but everything else well......

AIG sponsorship alone was 1 million per year....that's just the current main sponsor. You think Monaghan can match that? Kerry and Mayo can't even get that from a single sponsor. There are multiple other sponsors and then the money from the GAA itself of course. You think the success of Dublin isnt from financial advantage? Its been used very, very well to create a fantastic generation of players.

On Cluxton....Well he turns up to his teaching job in..... Dublin. Teaching is a career that is already a natural advantage to any GAA player other than being a full time student. He, like I suspect the entire set up in Dublin, doesn't have to journey hundreds of miles each week to train with the IC team.

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 04/07/2023 17:01:49    2492230

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Replying To Gator:  "No, its not as that would make no sense. Maybe if you said I was making a Rhombus or a rectangle seem a square you have a point. Its why I didn't just say Dublin are professional...They are not as the players don't get a salary. Same as each other team but everything else well......

AIG sponsorship alone was 1 million per year....that's just the current main sponsor. You think Monaghan can match that? Kerry and Mayo can't even get that from a single sponsor. There are multiple other sponsors and then the money from the GAA itself of course. You think the success of Dublin isnt from financial advantage? Its been used very, very well to create a fantastic generation of players.

On Cluxton....Well he turns up to his teaching job in..... Dublin. Teaching is a career that is already a natural advantage to any GAA player other than being a full time student. He, like I suspect the entire set up in Dublin, doesn't have to journey hundreds of miles each week to train with the IC team."
Monaghan are one of the most well funded counties in the GAA - the level of funding going into the county for a population of 60k per capita - no other county bar Leitrim can get near.

Dublin received funding of: 860k for a population of 1.4 mill

Monaghan received funding of 363k for a population of 61k.

You are throwing stones out of a green house.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4515 - 04/07/2023 18:07:55    2492247

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I don't think the Monaghan/Dublin game will be overly defensive myself, based on our seven matches so far. The Tyrone, Donegal and especially Clare matches were open matches. Indeed in those 3 games there was major concern we were too open at times. Check our forum and that was our major point for discussion early in the season
However when we came up against Kildare and Armagh they decided to play on the break for some reason, getting everyone behind the ball to overturn us, so we refused to engage, playing a lateral, patient, hard on the eye game. This is a tactic we were well entitled to use. Indeed some of the Kildare fans were agreived over this refusal to run into the trap in the second half, one expert said at the end " the team that didn't want to win won it"
Some of the lazy analysts on here and beyond seem to only put an emphasis on the last two matches, as to how we play. I hope DF does the same, but I doubt it, he has no reason to want to accentuate the negative like some

There will be a defensive element to the game from both teams, that's the modern game, we're no different to anyone else. Providing entertainment to the neutral is not a requirement, never has been at this stage for anyone else. Dublin will keep players up, because I believe they think they can win it anyway they want. My prediction based on the season as a whole is that it will the better of the two semi finals. We need to not concede goals to have a chance, which is still a concern now as it was earlier in the season.
We will go for it, new manager, stayed up, semi final, why not.

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 04/07/2023 18:46:48    2492255

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look all the fawning over another Dublin-Kerry final in the media circles will be lighting a fire up north that's for sure but I don't think the squads in Dublin or Kerry will be paying much heed. They know what's ahead of them.

I think both semi-finals will be much, much closer than the media circus is predicting

CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 163 - 04/07/2023 19:13:14    2492265

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Replying To Gator:  "No, its not as that would make no sense. Maybe if you said I was making a Rhombus or a rectangle seem a square you have a point. Its why I didn't just say Dublin are professional...They are not as the players don't get a salary. Same as each other team but everything else well......

AIG sponsorship alone was 1 million per year....that's just the current main sponsor. You think Monaghan can match that? Kerry and Mayo can't even get that from a single sponsor. There are multiple other sponsors and then the money from the GAA itself of course. You think the success of Dublin isnt from financial advantage? Its been used very, very well to create a fantastic generation of players.

On Cluxton....Well he turns up to his teaching job in..... Dublin. Teaching is a career that is already a natural advantage to any GAA player other than being a full time student. He, like I suspect the entire set up in Dublin, doesn't have to journey hundreds of miles each week to train with the IC team."
. A few facts.
1. A professional is defined as "a person engaged in a specified activity, especially a sport, as a main paid occupation rather than as a pastime." Perhaps you're argument would be stronger if you dropped the word "professional"/
2. I'm pretty certain Stephen Cluxton is not the only teacher in IC football. Dublin have no particular advantage in that respect.
3. AIG sponsored Dublin GAA to the tune of 4 million over 5 years. That's 800k per year. Kerry group spent 850k on the senior team ALONE last year.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1990 - 04/07/2023 19:42:06    2492271

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Replying To Gator:  "I listened to that with a wry smile too.

We need not bother it seems."
Only a fool would completely write off Monaghan but against the Dubs in a semi-final at Croke Park it is going to take an heroic effort. Derry are being written off by many as well and yes we will need McKaigue, Glass, Rogers, McKinless and McGuigan to have the game of their lives but we have a very good side and we aren't getting the respect we deserve.

Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 212 - 04/07/2023 21:06:16    2492290

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Replying To Gator:  "No, its not as that would make no sense. Maybe if you said I was making a Rhombus or a rectangle seem a square you have a point. Its why I didn't just say Dublin are professional...They are not as the players don't get a salary. Same as each other team but everything else well......

AIG sponsorship alone was 1 million per year....that's just the current main sponsor. You think Monaghan can match that? Kerry and Mayo can't even get that from a single sponsor. There are multiple other sponsors and then the money from the GAA itself of course. You think the success of Dublin isnt from financial advantage? Its been used very, very well to create a fantastic generation of players.

On Cluxton....Well he turns up to his teaching job in..... Dublin. Teaching is a career that is already a natural advantage to any GAA player other than being a full time student. He, like I suspect the entire set up in Dublin, doesn't have to journey hundreds of miles each week to train with the IC team."
Mayo and Kerry GAA both made over a million euro in profit last year.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 04/07/2023 21:39:45    2492296

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Replying To Positivity:  "Every game and every team plays different styles of football depending on who the opposition are. I have even watched Dublin and Kerry play defensive and keep that ball tactics . Everybody wants to see open football and many games that Monaghan and indeed Armagh have played have been very open and high scoring . To use last weekends high intensity game and as an ulster person to hope another ulster team gets a hiding, is not being a true GAA fan . In fact it's insulting to all those players who give everything and sacrifice so much for us supporters ."
I think those having to watch it are making the biggest sacrifice….. imagine the poor souls that paid in….!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3809 - 04/07/2023 22:13:12    2492301

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Replying To Gator:  "To all intents and purposes they are.

They just don't get a salary.

Everything in the Dublin set up is professional compared to the rest.

Its not a dig, its just reality and envy."
and its not dublins fault other counties are not able get as well organised and as professional, counties like meath and kildare have no excuse only being imept

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2969 - 05/07/2023 08:38:34    2492315

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