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Indeed. Very interesting. Has the air of old knock out
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/04/2023 14:12:34 2470266 Link 0 |
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It's how it works out. Last 2 years Meath were drawn on same side as dubs. Kildare still have a chance. They have to beat dubs sometime and I'd say the best place for it to maybe happen is in semis as they not as tuned up at that stage.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/04/2023 14:14:16 2470267 Link 0 |
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They have drawn the short straw. Kildare finished above Meath in the league but Meath have an easier path to the Leinster final.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8787 - 11/04/2023 14:38:49 2470274 Link 0 |
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Kildare will probably need to get to the Leinster final to stay in the Sam Maguire this year. We will probably see more and more results where teams qualify into the championship through a provincial final. You see it time and time again in all sports - a team with all to play for against a team that are already though. Leinster is a dead rubber for Dublin - it certainly isn't for any of the other counties. As for the luck of the draw - the rules of the competition were out there from the start of the league. Both Kildare and Meath finished where they did on merit within the league - Kildare also had the benefit of knowing they have Dublin in the way of the Leinster final. Glen Ryan decided to go the old school route of hard tough winter training that ended up in a poorer league position - possibly as a result of that. We can't complain now that we're in a position where we need Westmeath or Louth in a Leinster final against Dublin and an Ulster final between Armagh/Donegal & Monaghan/Tyrone/Derry or else beat Dublin ourselves. I'd expect there'll be a little extra edge in the provincial championship for teams just outside the top 16 rankings - like Down, Cavan, Fermanagh, Meath and Offaly. Their games will be prime for "shocks" and I expect we'll see a few. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 439 - 11/04/2023 15:51:52 2470313 Link 0 |
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It sure has. Winning the provincial title is important as well. A home game against Seed 3 and away to Seed 4 gives a good chance of two wins. That should secure at least a home playoff for the quarter-finals.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8787 - 11/04/2023 18:13:11 2470366 Link 0 |
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Yeah but Meath got a 2nd chance last year, Kildare won't now. Look it is the rules and everyone knew how it was going to work. Just now that it is in action I think it's clear that the qualifying system is a bit all over the place.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4524 - 11/04/2023 19:10:09 2470373 Link 2 |
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Louth are the 2nd Leinster team on league ranking. It would have been more unfair if they were on the same side as Dublin. The fairest solution so far is to use league seeding for the provincial draws.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8787 - 12/04/2023 07:09:43 2470398 Link 0 |
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Indeed even if Meath fail to make provincial final and a cavan or Down get to one Kildare are also out if they don't beat Dublin, Meaths league was chaotic to say the least, Kildares was hampered by injuries and from what I'm reading a hard training winter campaign, if Meath and say cavan reach finals that also puts cork in TC. I think after this year more teams will be focused on what to. It was only this week that many people still don't get the whole if Westmeath get to final thing. It's odd I'll agree with you on that and perhaps needs tweaking
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/04/2023 08:53:01 2470408 Link 0 |
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No more than us with Colm's league prep and execution Kildares looked very odd. Seemed the wheels came off after Dublin game. Ours the same after cork one. Losses to louth and draw in Limerick were shocking. Let's hope we both regroup and meet in the final. Now that would be good
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/04/2023 08:56:35 2470409 Link 0 |
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If New York were to beat Sligo in the Connacht semi final and advance to the final then this would mean them having to travel over to Ireland on three more occasions. The Connacht Final and two group games in the All Ireland series. A total of four trans Atlantic journeys in total. I can imagine that would be rather costly. edu (Mayo) - Posts: 101 - 13/04/2023 12:17:36 2470781 Link 0 |
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Lads/lasses jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 13/04/2023 18:44:20 2470879 Link 3 |
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If that's a penalty for Derry the days of tackling are over. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2292 - 15/04/2023 18:04:20 2471096 Link 3 |
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Surrendering most of the year to media coverage of other sports will eventually be regarded as one of the worst decisions ever made. And ironically many of the the same people now complaining about lack of breaks and injuries etc, etc, on foot of the ridiculously telescoped inter county season were two years ago claiming that it was best thing ever. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3523 - 15/04/2023 21:19:12 2471117 Link 2 |
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The more i look at the new structure the more absurd it seems. It is theoretically possible for a team to lose five games before being knocked out in quarter finals. On other hand a team could lose three times and win all Ireland. That makes a mockery of the whole thing. You couldn't win the league after losing three games. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3523 - 15/04/2023 22:24:26 2471122 Link 2 |
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Spot on Barney. Provincial finalists could have 7 more games after their provincial final if they reach the All Ireland Final. Not cheap for supporters either. Before the 2001 back door championship it was knockout games, win province two more games, barring replays, if they reach the All Ireland final, in a season played in better weather. We're missing out on the intensity of win or go home games. The back door championships were sold as a second chance for teams. But were they not brought in to give the GAA more TV, Radio and media revenue? I don't think it's a coincidence that GAA cut their Sky deal and ramped up GAAGO coverage when the round robin All Ireland starts. You can stream more and more games now on your phone when you're out and about or watch replayed games back later, rather than go to the games. They seem more concerned about social media reactions and online viewing customers than players and supporters going to matches. At top brass level now I mean. Clubs can see how the land lies. How supporters are struggling for money these days, how it's hard to get player numbers. Top brass seem to live in a different world. I think you're being generous when you say absurd.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7977 - 16/04/2023 07:21:47 2471130 Link 2 |
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How many home games will you get to enjoy?
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8787 - 16/04/2023 08:43:44 2471138 Link 1 |
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Ahh it's gone to hell. The mark is ridiculous and the split season reminds me of a lad I know from Eastern Europe who said in theory communism worked. But try to live under it. It's the same with split season. Making a balls of of the whole thing.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/04/2023 09:10:54 2471141 Link 1 |
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True. Again I'll go back to my Eastern European friend. Everything is grand in theory.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/04/2023 09:14:45 2471143 Link 1 |
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How can a team lose 5 matches and get knocked out in the quarterfinals? I have that they could lose 3 draw 2 to reach the quarterfinals. I agree with your wider point though. The competition is very low stakes for quite sometime. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4524 - 16/04/2023 10:11:18 2471148 Link 2 |
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The advanced mark is terrible and is all about the obsession with forcing teams to kick the ball. It's rubbish. The rule changes around kick outs are annoying too. Something better could be done around the schedule too and have intercounty and club played around each other. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4524 - 16/04/2023 10:16:11 2471150 Link 2 |