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Wexford Intercounty Hurling 2023

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "In fairness, I wouldn't say they did a U-turn. Egan was given until a certain date to put a new backroom team together. He then asked for and was given a two-week extension to do so, and ended up having to report back on the new date that while he had some people on board, he hadn't got everyone he wanted. So, the search began then for a new manager instead.

Mythen might be a good shout for U20s if he's interested in the job, but can't help wondering - how likely is Michael Jacob to stay with the U17s? Might there be a certain view in certain quarters if we ended up with three Oulart-The Ballagh men over the three county teams?"
The best man should get the job. Where he's from, or where other Wexford managers are from, should be irrelevant. Same as it should be with players. If Dessie Mythen or Colin Sutherland wanted the job I'd be happy enough. Same as Carley. Not sure about Mick junior yet tbh. I'm also not sure Cleary is the man for it. At the end of the day none of us are on the selection committee so whoever gets the job I'll still travel and support the team. I do feel they could go well next year. And I also feel the minors should do well also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 9720 - 14/09/2023 13:22:10    2504257

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "In fairness, I wouldn't say they did a U-turn. Egan was given until a certain date to put a new backroom team together. He then asked for and was given a two-week extension to do so, and ended up having to report back on the new date that while he had some people on board, he hadn't got everyone he wanted. So, the search began then for a new manager instead.

Mythen might be a good shout for U20s if he's interested in the job, but can't help wondering - how likely is Michael Jacob to stay with the U17s? Might there be a certain view in certain quarters if we ended up with three Oulart-The Ballagh men over the three county teams?"
The best man should get the job. Where he's from, or where other Wexford managers are from, should be irrelevant. Same as it should be with players. If Dessie Mythen or Colin Sutherland wanted the job I'd be happy enough. Same as Carley. Not sure about Mick junior yet tbh. I'm also not sure Cleary is the man for it. At the end of the day none of us are on the selection committee so whoever gets the job I'll still travel and support the team. I do feel they could go well next year. And I also feel the minors should do well also. I'd be more optimistic about both than I would about the Senior team for next year tbh but I'll go to all the games regardless, but more in hope than expectation, which wouldn't really be my usual form.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 9720 - 14/09/2023 13:23:36    2504258

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Replying To Viking66:  "The best man should get the job. Where he's from, or where other Wexford managers are from, should be irrelevant. Same as it should be with players. If Dessie Mythen or Colin Sutherland wanted the job I'd be happy enough. Same as Carley. Not sure about Mick junior yet tbh. I'm also not sure Cleary is the man for it. At the end of the day none of us are on the selection committee so whoever gets the job I'll still travel and support the team. I do feel they could go well next year. And I also feel the minors should do well also. I'd be more optimistic about both than I would about the Senior team for next year tbh but I'll go to all the games regardless, but more in hope than expectation, which wouldn't really be my usual form."
Agree Viking - has Colin Sunderland had success or just done been involved with a lot of teams?

grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 124 - 14/09/2023 15:32:16    2504271

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Replying To grassroots01:  "Agree Viking - has Colin Sunderland had success or just done been involved with a lot of teams?"
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/late-goals-knock-wexford-out-of-leinster-senior-camogie-championship/a748687477.html
We seemed much improved this year.
We stayed up in the Senior AI series-
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/sunderland-its-unbelievable/41168327.html
This was a good result-
https://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/home/1192952/wexford-reel-in-kilkenny-camoige-champs-to-share-the-spoils.html
He won the 2020 AI club camogie title with Oulart.
He kept Oulart up in Senior this year with a weaker team than they won Intermediate with last year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 9720 - 14/09/2023 16:58:50    2504285

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Replying To grassroots01:  "Agree Viking - has Colin Sunderland had success or just done been involved with a lot of teams?"
Had success mainly with Kilrush and Oulart camogie teams

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 897 - 14/09/2023 17:09:17    2504287

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https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41226604.html

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 9720 - 15/09/2023 07:23:19    2504304

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Replying To Viking66:  "The best man should get the job. Where he's from, or where other Wexford managers are from, should be irrelevant. Same as it should be with players. If Dessie Mythen or Colin Sutherland wanted the job I'd be happy enough. Same as Carley. Not sure about Mick junior yet tbh. I'm also not sure Cleary is the man for it. At the end of the day none of us are on the selection committee so whoever gets the job I'll still travel and support the team. I do feel they could go well next year. And I also feel the minors should do well also. I'd be more optimistic about both than I would about the Senior team for next year tbh but I'll go to all the games regardless, but more in hope than expectation, which wouldn't really be my usual form."
You're very much entitled to your opinion but why would you have such low expectations of the senior team for next year compared to other years?

Even before the year has started.

Is your fears management related or player related?

Because in my opinion anything has to be an improvement from drawing with Westmeath in 2022 and subsequently losing to them in the same championship fixture in 2023.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 634 - 15/09/2023 09:08:24    2504309

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Replying To grassroots01:  "Agree Viking - has Colin Sunderland had success or just done been involved with a lot of teams?"
Well, he won several county camogie titles with Oulart-The Ballagh, and an All-Ireland club title too.

Honestly can't think of any actual success by way of titles in hurling, but that's not to say he wouldn't be a very capable choice anyway.

By the way, Viking - it's Sunderland, not Sutherland. ;)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1797 - 15/09/2023 09:23:48    2504312

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Well, he won several county camogie titles with Oulart-The Ballagh, and an All-Ireland club title too.

Honestly can't think of any actual success by way of titles in hurling, but that's not to say he wouldn't be a very capable choice anyway.

By the way, Viking - it's Sunderland, not Sutherland. ;)"
I know! Try telling my phone that!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 9720 - 15/09/2023 10:42:42    2504324

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Replying To Past hurler:  "You're very much entitled to your opinion but why would you have such low expectations of the senior team for next year compared to other years?

Even before the year has started.

Is your fears management related or player related?

Because in my opinion anything has to be an improvement from drawing with Westmeath in 2022 and subsequently losing to them in the same championship fixture in 2023."
And beating KK both years.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 577 - 15/09/2023 11:33:17    2504331

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Replying To Past hurler:  "You're very much entitled to your opinion but why would you have such low expectations of the senior team for next year compared to other years?

Even before the year has started.

Is your fears management related or player related?

Because in my opinion anything has to be an improvement from drawing with Westmeath in 2022 and subsequently losing to them in the same championship fixture in 2023."
Both. Though neither are longterm fears. I think Keith Rossiter will take a while to find his feet and will no doubt make learning mistakes next year. I think it's completely unreasonable of anyone to expect him not to.
As regards the players we will be down a few of the lads that started the Kilkenny game last year. Mogie scored 2-1 that day and is apparently going travelling next year. Carty is travelling also. Not sure if Dee will commit again. I wouldn't be expecting any of the u20s to step up to be championship starters next year, though I'd be hopeful some will in the years to come.
I'd be hoping, and expecting, Rossi to give fringe players from last year like Rory Higgins, Niall Murphy, David Clarke , Joe O Connor, Conor Hearne, Richie Lawlor, Mikey Kelly, Jack Doran etc a good look in training then the Walsh Cup. Charlie Mcguckin has to be looked at at wingback after his exploits for Gorey there. Maybe Gavin Bailey would commit again? Will AJ, Flood and Cian Molloy commit properly and take to the gym? I really hope he has a good look at Cathal Doyle, sorry Wexmurph for the Taghmon tinted glasses. I'd also expect him to have a good look at the u20s from this year that will be overage next year, and any that are good enough prospects should be kept around the squad to get used to the speed and intensity of Senior Intercounty, and/or given S and C and nutrition programmes to follow to help them make the step up. And lastly we need to look at keepers, especially ones who can take puckouts quickly and accurately to all areas of the pitch.
All of the above paragraph is unlikely to yield nailed on Championship starters in year one though, or win too many League games either. Hence the less optimistic than usual post I posted earlier about our Senior prospects. I'd have reasonably high hopes about our u20s though, and really high hopes our minors could at least win a Leinster and/or get to an AI final maybe.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 9720 - 15/09/2023 12:24:06    2504338

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Des Mythen would be a great shout as manager. Could still stay with Oylegate if he wanted as under 20 will probably end in May again next year"
Hardly going to be a coach with the seniors and manage u-21's?

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 577 - 15/09/2023 13:07:24    2504351

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Replying To countyman2022:  "And beating KK both years."
We did. I'd be confident we should beat Carlow and Antrim next year. Dublin could go either way.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 9720 - 15/09/2023 13:21:51    2504353

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Replying To countyman2022:  "And beating KK both years."
You are 100% correct, but this year Kilkenny were already through to the final no matter if they won, lost or drew and it was one of the biggest games in Wexford's history as to not make the drop down to Joe McDonagh Tier 2 hurling.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 634 - 15/09/2023 13:34:21    2504357

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Wexford (and Dublin and every other county) need to be trying to build a squad for 3-5 years time by which time the Limerick juggernaut will be at an end and to try to be the next big thing.
Being realistic, the best Rossiter, MD, etc can hope for is a Leinster title.
But, they need to be aiming to be big in a few years time because nobody can stop Limerick at the moment.
Wexford need 4-5-6 new starters next year because even though I would never retire any player some are nearing it. But look at TJ, 36 and still motoring for club and county. So retire nobody, Wexford need these players even if they end up as impact subs.
But the big thing for me is Wexford need to be winning a minor or u20 Leinster at least, and giving an All Ireland a good shot.
If they can't achieve it at that level, expecting them to step up at senior level is a big ask.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1010 - 15/09/2023 14:50:00    2504365

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Replying To Past hurler:  "You are 100% correct, but this year Kilkenny were already through to the final no matter if they won, lost or drew and it was one of the biggest games in Wexford's history as to not make the drop down to Joe McDonagh Tier 2 hurling."
And Wexford were a disallowed goal away from that being realised.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1010 - 15/09/2023 14:54:50    2504368

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Replying To Past hurler:  "You are 100% correct, but this year Kilkenny were already through to the final no matter if they won, lost or drew and it was one of the biggest games in Wexford's history as to not make the drop down to Joe McDonagh Tier 2 hurling."
And the year previous when they could have been knocked out when Wex beat them?

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 577 - 15/09/2023 15:02:50    2504369

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Replying To Past hurler:  "You are 100% correct, but this year Kilkenny were already through to the final no matter if they won, lost or drew and it was one of the biggest games in Wexford's history as to not make the drop down to Joe McDonagh Tier 2 hurling."
Last year they could've been out of the AI series with a loss though. And that game was in Nowlan Park.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 9720 - 15/09/2023 15:09:28    2504372

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Replying To Viking66:  "The best man should get the job. Where he's from, or where other Wexford managers are from, should be irrelevant. Same as it should be with players. If Dessie Mythen or Colin Sutherland wanted the job I'd be happy enough. Same as Carley. Not sure about Mick junior yet tbh. I'm also not sure Cleary is the man for it. At the end of the day none of us are on the selection committee so whoever gets the job I'll still travel and support the team. I do feel they could go well next year. And I also feel the minors should do well also."
Is it only ex Oulart players allowed to take jobs? Was there any end of year Review presentations done by Mick Jacob and his back room team? And if not why not? 2022 we were beaten by Laois in the Leinster Quarter final. 2023 beaten at semi final stage by 4 points to Kilkenny.
Why would it be automatically assumed that he will either move up to U20 or stay with the Minors.
This is a results driven business, and sadly results are not coming. Time for someone new.
Cleary has been there and done that and after last years senior results surely his stock is shocked to pieces by now.

Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 154 - 15/09/2023 21:42:11    2504396

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Replying To Tox73:  "Is it only ex Oulart players allowed to take jobs? Was there any end of year Review presentations done by Mick Jacob and his back room team? And if not why not? 2022 we were beaten by Laois in the Leinster Quarter final. 2023 beaten at semi final stage by 4 points to Kilkenny.
Why would it be automatically assumed that he will either move up to U20 or stay with the Minors.
This is a results driven business, and sadly results are not coming. Time for someone new.
Cleary has been there and done that and after last years senior results surely his stock is shocked to pieces by now."
I already said I'm not sure about Mick Jnr and Cleary. The Laois team that beat us also knocked Kilkenny out that year. They weren't bad. I watched the minor game against Kilkenny this year. We played a shorter game in the 3rd quarter and we closed the gap and were looking good for the win, then in the final quarter we went back to dropping it on on top of Kilkennys big, dominant halfback line which cost us the game. Not sure if that was Jacobs fault though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 9720 - 16/09/2023 06:20:38    2504401

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