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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Ya, hard to know. This year's u20s might be ready but even if you had some to bring on when a game has opened up would increase the options from the bench. No doubt Lee Chin will be reliable and Moggie too. Dee looked good in club championship but he has a serious amount of miles in the legs just out of the way he plays, very tough to keep that going. Guess we'll know next year for sure, here's hoping another year or two in him. I still think Limerick are the team to beat but last years all Ireland was easily their hardest since 2018. Cork it's just impossible to tell how they'll go, they kinda remind me of Galway in the 00s, could hammer you one day and then just not show up at all the next. Just lack something, too easy to say theyre soft or something like that but they definitely lack a real cutting edge to them. Kilkenny will always be close no matter what (well under Cody anyways) interesting to see how they go and hopefully the corner we've turned against them in recent years continues. TJ looked very good last year and sure he's not scoring from play as much but if he's setting up as much as was this year and winning puckouts, high balls he'll always be a serious threat. Galway were quite good at times last year bar the Leinster Final which was a terrible game all round. Probably were the closest to beating Limerck last year out of everyone. Wouldn't say theyre an old team, 8/9 of starting 15 is 25 or younger, with Conor Whelan, Cathal Mannion 26 then and will always have plenty of underage talent to call on whether they develop them or not is always a question for them. David Burke probably the only close to going but he was outstanding agaisnt Limeirck last year. Tipp are probably the hardest one to call, probably left the blooding of those u21/20 winners 2/3 years too late. They got the 2019 all Ireland out of the old guard but probably cost them down the line with player development and progression with current crop. Clare seemed very good in Munster but were very poor outside of it, Wexford shouldve beaten them and Kilkenny murdered them. Waterford are actually too hard to read, I think they might have missed the boat and have been poor underage the last few years so don't have too much coming through. Dublin have a great management team but the losses of players, Chris Crummy especially are the Last thing they need. Never kick on after big wins as well. 2019, 2021, 2022 are exampls of that." Of this year's Galway panel Flynn and C Mannion will be 29 next year, P Mannion and D Burke will be 30, Conor Cooney will be 31, Johnny Coen and Joe Cooney will be 32, and Gearóid McInerney and David Burke will be 33. Thats 9 of their matchday panel from this year. Of their younger lads not too many have showed the class of most of the above lads yet.
Hard to know how Derek Lyng will get on as Kilkenny manager. 1 thing is he will know their younger players games inside out and will likely have the team playing a shorter game more often than Cody did.
It's massive for Dublin that O'Donnell has committed for next year. Crummey will be a big loss, literally!, but it's how they bring on their younger lads that will make or break them going forward. Dublin underage teams are always competitive. Between us, Dublin, Kilkenny, Galway and then Limerick there was only a point or less in normal time in any of the u20 games and Dublin hit the post against us and Jack Redmond was only inches wide against Kilkenny too at the death.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 24/10/2022 13:29:43
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Wexford and Waterford have many similiar traits. Can spring a surprize against the best and then annoyingly go tamely in the next game. Both now need an injection of some new blood that hopefully clicks with what is there. Neither need a complete rebuild yet. For us like the poster said time is running out if not gone, without success. it will be a long time until another surge because I dont see the building blocks. Admired Cahill but he blew it big time last year and I would be worried that the confidence may be shattered. No matter who was missing dropping your marquee player. Expecting him then to turn a game around that was long gone. Playing every other player in a different position beggars explanation. "They were terrible in training" . How often have we seen that and on the day the team shoots the lights out. How about you rode them into the ground while winning the league. Davy (even if not big on him) brought ye some level of consistency in the championship that will carry over for some time.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 24/10/2022 14:51:35
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Replying To Canuck: "Wexford and Waterford have many similiar traits. Can spring a surprize against the best and then annoyingly go tamely in the next game. Both now need an injection of some new blood that hopefully clicks with what is there. Neither need a complete rebuild yet. For us like the poster said time is running out if not gone, without success. it will be a long time until another surge because I dont see the building blocks. Admired Cahill but he blew it big time last year and I would be worried that the confidence may be shattered. No matter who was missing dropping your marquee player. Expecting him then to turn a game around that was long gone. Playing every other player in a different position beggars explanation. "They were terrible in training" . How often have we seen that and on the day the team shoots the lights out. How about you rode them into the ground while winning the league. Davy (even if not big on him) brought ye some level of consistency in the championship that will carry over for some time." Agree with on the Davy factors. While I do think he has shelf life, he definitely brought Wexford back up to a level we hadn't been at in a long time, wasn't that long before that we were loosing to Offaly and Carlow and in danger of maybe slipping further. Liam Dunne also helped get us off the floor too I might add but there was still a few hidings but brought us into the modern game a lot. But Davy must be commended for getting over the Kilkenny hump during his reign and hopefully we never sink back to whre we were previously. Think Waterford are still ahead of Wexford when it comes to who's most likely to win or get deep into a championship and have a lot more scoring forwards. I do think Wexford have more talent coming through and will have more to build on in the coming years (I hope, never can tell with underage, no guarantees, just ask Galway or Cork) Davy might be the thing ye need to just get over the line with what ye have, yeve a fairly settled team and he could max that out for a year or two before maybe burning out but look it might be worth it in the short term.
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 258 - 25/10/2022 11:00:15
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Great to hear Darragh Egan is thinking ahead. Was just talking to a very good hurler who has been given a gym and nutrition program with a view to a call up for the 2024 season. In the meantime he will be hurling Fitzgibbon again this year and hurling with the club next year. It's good to have a management team that's planning for the future.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 25/10/2022 15:57:17
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https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40991750.html
Sounds like Paudie Foley is away in Syndey next year which I expected based on everything I heard but good news that Kevin Foley and the 2 Recks are due back in January.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1716 - 26/10/2022 10:35:07
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See the closing date for ideas for the upcoming championships is coming up. Received a whats app proposal from someone, not sure where it came from originally. It has probably been proposed before but is the following:
Format
Three groups of 4 (assuming it stays three groups of four and not 16 teams)
Top 6 into quarter finals (First and second placed teams)
2 best third placed teams into quarter
Other 3rd team is finished.
Bottom 3 clubs into relegation.
Team with worst results in relegation final, other two into relegations semis.
Timeframe:
Week 1 - Hurling Group 1 game
Week 2 - Hurling Group 2 game
Week 3 - Football Group 1 game
Week 4 - Football Group 2 game
Week 5 - Rest week
Week 6 - Hurling Group 3 game
Week 7 - Football Group 3 game
Week 8 - Rest week
Week 9 - Hurling Quarters (Relegation semi)
Week 10- Hurling Semis (Relegation final)
Week 11 - Rest week
Week 12 - Hurling Finals
Week 13 - Football Quarters (Relegation semi)
Week 14 - Football Semis (Rel final)
Week 15 - Rest week
Week 16 - Football Final
Pros
Rest weeks, injury recovery etc
Group games played at same time, neither code waiting until Sept to start
More intense games, feels more like championship than league
Less games for intercounty players once they finish
Drawbacks
Wait from week 7 to week 13 for football quarters
Less games
My own preference is for the two groups of 6 but the problem is that its all too condensed, unless they push back the Leinster championships which I doubt will happen so in the timeframe thats available it is probably the best solution.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 403 - 26/10/2022 13:27:00
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Replying To alwaysasub: "See the closing date for ideas for the upcoming championships is coming up. Received a whats app proposal from someone, not sure where it came from originally. It has probably been proposed before but is the following:
Format
Three groups of 4 (assuming it stays three groups of four and not 16 teams)
Top 6 into quarter finals (First and second placed teams)
2 best third placed teams into quarter
Other 3rd team is finished.
Bottom 3 clubs into relegation.
Team with worst results in relegation final, other two into relegations semis.
Timeframe:
Week 1 - Hurling Group 1 game
Week 2 - Hurling Group 2 game
Week 3 - Football Group 1 game
Week 4 - Football Group 2 game
Week 5 - Rest week
Week 6 - Hurling Group 3 game
Week 7 - Football Group 3 game
Week 8 - Rest week
Week 9 - Hurling Quarters (Relegation semi)
Week 10- Hurling Semis (Relegation final)
Week 11 - Rest week
Week 12 - Hurling Finals
Week 13 - Football Quarters (Relegation semi)
Week 14 - Football Semis (Rel final)
Week 15 - Rest week
Week 16 - Football Final
Pros
Rest weeks, injury recovery etc
Group games played at same time, neither code waiting until Sept to start
More intense games, feels more like championship than league
Less games for intercounty players once they finish
Drawbacks
Wait from week 7 to week 13 for football quarters
Less games
My own preference is for the two groups of 6 but the problem is that its all too condensed, unless they push back the Leinster championships which I doubt will happen so in the timeframe thats available it is probably the best solution." I think they should also increase the league groups to 8 and bring back promotion-relegation.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 403 - 26/10/2022 13:37:03
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Won't quote the whole post above from alwaysasub, but just a few thoughts:
A fairly workable proposal overall, but I don't like the idea of so much probably coming down to score difference (i.e. determining the two-best third-placed teams, and which two of the bottom three teams get two chances to avoid relegation). A particularly one-sided result in a group with only three matches could have an inordinate effect as there are fewer chances to redress it than in a group that involves five matches.
So, couple of proposed tweaks:
1 - For the knock-outs, two of the top three teams (to be determined by a draw) get a bye to semi-finals, and the third one joins the three second-placed teams in two quarter-finals. However, would be unlikely to pass, as now only six teams would go through instead of eight, and turkeys won't vote for Christmas.
2 - The three bottom teams all play each other in a mini-league, with the worst performing being the one relegated. Would take matches over three weekends and there's room for that in the proposed schedule. There's some precedent for this too, as it was done in the "step year" (think it was 2011) when there were 14 teams in each grade, as a stepping stone in going from 16 down to 12. This one would be more likely to pass as everybody knows they'd get two chances if they did happen to finish bottom.
Next few weeks will be interesting anyway and I predict myself that the vote will be to keep the two groups of six, despite how it would be even more condensed if our county teams go further than they did this year, unless of course we can convince Leinster to push back the start of the provincial championships.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2243 - 26/10/2022 13:47:20
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Replying To alwaysasub: "See the closing date for ideas for the upcoming championships is coming up. Received a whats app proposal from someone, not sure where it came from originally. It has probably been proposed before but is the following:
Format
Three groups of 4 (assuming it stays three groups of four and not 16 teams)
Top 6 into quarter finals (First and second placed teams)
2 best third placed teams into quarter
Other 3rd team is finished.
Bottom 3 clubs into relegation.
Team with worst results in relegation final, other two into relegations semis.
Timeframe:
Week 1 - Hurling Group 1 game
Week 2 - Hurling Group 2 game
Week 3 - Football Group 1 game
Week 4 - Football Group 2 game
Week 5 - Rest week
Week 6 - Hurling Group 3 game
Week 7 - Football Group 3 game
Week 8 - Rest week
Week 9 - Hurling Quarters (Relegation semi)
Week 10- Hurling Semis (Relegation final)
Week 11 - Rest week
Week 12 - Hurling Finals
Week 13 - Football Quarters (Relegation semi)
Week 14 - Football Semis (Rel final)
Week 15 - Rest week
Week 16 - Football Final
Pros
Rest weeks, injury recovery etc
Group games played at same time, neither code waiting until Sept to start
More intense games, feels more like championship than league
Less games for intercounty players once they finish
Drawbacks
Wait from week 7 to week 13 for football quarters
Less games
My own preference is for the two groups of 6 but the problem is that its all too condensed, unless they push back the Leinster championships which I doubt will happen so in the timeframe thats available it is probably the best solution." Here are some problems I see.
If results in first two rounds go a certain way a team who loses their first two matches could be out of the championship in a week.
It would be a month between hurling round 2 and hurling round 3 and a further 3 weeks from hurling round 3 to hurling quarter finals.
It would mean a 6 week gap from the final football round to the football quarter finals. It would mean a 7 week gap for the team who has to go straight to the relegation final.
It would also make relegation more dependent on the luck of the draw like what happened in 2021.
Its hard to see why 4 rest weeks are necessary in a 16 week period.
Most clubs dont make a semi final in both codes and even fewer make a final in both, therefore most teams will have a rest week before a county final under a straight alternate weeks system either way.
One rest week in the middle of the group stages is enough and could be accomodated if the Leinster Championship was pushed back to November. It would also mean the last weekend of october could be left free for any replays.
The less games for intercounty players argument results in the club player being squeezed out even more.
With no doubt the best of intentions, the above format is trying to mash together a version of alternate weeks with a version of playing games in blocks and has ended up with what I would see as the worst of both worlds and fewer games for the player and the spectator.
There has never been a better championship format than 2 groups of 6 and there has never been a better way of scheduling it than on alternate weeks. It won't seem as condensed once we go back to alternate weeks. Its the most straightforward for everyone to follow and very straightforward to plan for.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 26/10/2022 14:26:59
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Replying To alwaysasub: "See the closing date for ideas for the upcoming championships is coming up. Received a whats app proposal from someone, not sure where it came from originally. It has probably been proposed before but is the following:
Format
Three groups of 4 (assuming it stays three groups of four and not 16 teams)
Top 6 into quarter finals (First and second placed teams)
2 best third placed teams into quarter
Other 3rd team is finished.
Bottom 3 clubs into relegation.
Team with worst results in relegation final, other two into relegations semis.
Timeframe:
Week 1 - Hurling Group 1 game
Week 2 - Hurling Group 2 game
Week 3 - Football Group 1 game
Week 4 - Football Group 2 game
Week 5 - Rest week
Week 6 - Hurling Group 3 game
Week 7 - Football Group 3 game
Week 8 - Rest week
Week 9 - Hurling Quarters (Relegation semi)
Week 10- Hurling Semis (Relegation final)
Week 11 - Rest week
Week 12 - Hurling Finals
Week 13 - Football Quarters (Relegation semi)
Week 14 - Football Semis (Rel final)
Week 15 - Rest week
Week 16 - Football Final
Pros
Rest weeks, injury recovery etc
Group games played at same time, neither code waiting until Sept to start
More intense games, feels more like championship than league
Less games for intercounty players once they finish
Drawbacks
Wait from week 7 to week 13 for football quarters
Less games
My own preference is for the two groups of 6 but the problem is that its all too condensed, unless they push back the Leinster championships which I doubt will happen so in the timeframe thats available it is probably the best solution." Problem is how do you decide who are the worst 3rd place team when they play different teams?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 26/10/2022 16:10:28
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Replying To alwaysasub: "I think they should also increase the league groups to 8 and bring back promotion-relegation." Definitely need promotion and relegation.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 26/10/2022 16:10:55
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Replying To Onfor15: "Here are some problems I see.
If results in first two rounds go a certain way a team who loses their first two matches could be out of the championship in a week.
It would be a month between hurling round 2 and hurling round 3 and a further 3 weeks from hurling round 3 to hurling quarter finals.
It would mean a 6 week gap from the final football round to the football quarter finals. It would mean a 7 week gap for the team who has to go straight to the relegation final.
It would also make relegation more dependent on the luck of the draw like what happened in 2021.
Its hard to see why 4 rest weeks are necessary in a 16 week period.
Most clubs dont make a semi final in both codes and even fewer make a final in both, therefore most teams will have a rest week before a county final under a straight alternate weeks system either way.
One rest week in the middle of the group stages is enough and could be accomodated if the Leinster Championship was pushed back to November. It would also mean the last weekend of october could be left free for any replays.
The less games for intercounty players argument results in the club player being squeezed out even more.
With no doubt the best of intentions, the above format is trying to mash together a version of alternate weeks with a version of playing games in blocks and has ended up with what I would see as the worst of both worlds and fewer games for the player and the spectator.
There has never been a better championship format than 2 groups of 6 and there has never been a better way of scheduling it than on alternate weeks. It won't seem as condensed once we go back to alternate weeks. Its the most straightforward for everyone to follow and very straightforward to plan for." You must belong to a club where most of the players don't play both codes? It will be just as condensed for our lads if you alternate football and hurling. Only it would be much harder for our lads to perform at their optimum level when switching between 2 completely different sports every week.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 26/10/2022 16:13:46
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Replying To Viking66: "You must belong to a club where most of the players don't play both codes? It will be just as condensed for our lads if you alternate football and hurling. Only it would be much harder for our lads to perform at their optimum level when switching between 2 completely different sports every week." Its good to see a good debate. Obviously as mentioned my own preference is for two groups of 6 but I think everyone can agree on one point that its is very condensed. Going alternative weekends wont make it any easier, as most clubs have players playing both. No system is perfect, obviously with the three groups of four to stop dead rubbers, the winners of the first round would have to play each other in the second round so as to keep the last round interesting. But yes the obvious disadvantage would be less games. Thats why I would like to see the leagues increase to 8 teams with promotion relegation so more games, just because Championship is 12 teams, dosent mean that the leagues need to be the same amount.
Only other hope is that the Leinster Championship would be pushed back.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 403 - 26/10/2022 17:35:28
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Why do you all want to reduce the number of games the clubs play?
Yes it was condensed this year, but the lads in my club absolutely loved it. The games came thick and fast. Coming from a calendar which was halpess and clobbered together, this year was great from what I heard.
What will happen with mixing things up is more clubs will focus on hurling, and football will lose out in such a scenario.
There is just no perfect system and what the GAA should do is run the inter county club championships off in line with the national hurling league, which gives a week or two if needed in October/November which would suit the dual counties like Wexford. There are a max of 5-6 weeks needed to run off this championship from end to end. If the GAA had a few decent 4G pitches, then concerns about boggy pitches go away for what is the GAA's best competition by a long way.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 26/10/2022 18:31:55
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Replying To Viking66: "You must belong to a club where most of the players don't play both codes? It will be just as condensed for our lads if you alternate football and hurling. Only it would be much harder for our lads to perform at their optimum level when switching between 2 completely different sports every week." I haven't had a chance to sit down and go through the 2020 yearbook yet as I said I would. Either way I'm almost fed up of making this point to you...bar the small few single code only clubs, there is no club in Wexford where most of the players only play one code.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 26/10/2022 20:14:43
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Why do you all want to reduce the number of games the clubs play?
Yes it was condensed this year, but the lads in my club absolutely loved it. The games came thick and fast. Coming from a calendar which was halpess and clobbered together, this year was great from what I heard.
What will happen with mixing things up is more clubs will focus on hurling, and football will lose out in such a scenario.
There is just no perfect system and what the GAA should do is run the inter county club championships off in line with the national hurling league, which gives a week or two if needed in October/November which would suit the dual counties like Wexford. There are a max of 5-6 weeks needed to run off this championship from end to end. If the GAA had a few decent 4G pitches, then concerns about boggy pitches go away for what is the GAA's best competition by a long way." Agree with everything in this post except if the Leinsters were just delayed by 2 or 3 weeks in line with other provincial competitions then there would be just the right amount of time to run off the club championships here. No need to run them off during the League.
I do think hurling and football should take turns as to which goes first though in the interest of fairness.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 27/10/2022 07:53:09
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Replying To alwaysasub: "I think they should also increase the league groups to 8 and bring back promotion-relegation." More league games, there is no interest in the league as it is, and by adding more games ya need to start earlier which i thought was what we all trying to avoid, training in january and february in the muck n slop wind n rain, you can add promotion relegation there still glorified practice matches to the players
lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 27/10/2022 08:04:06
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Replying To Viking66: "Agree with everything in this post except if the Leinsters were just delayed by 2 or 3 weeks in line with other provincial competitions then there would be just the right amount of time to run off the club championships here. No need to run them off during the League.
I do think hurling and football should take turns as to which goes first though in the interest of fairness." Definitely think they should alternate hurling and football going first and second. The last two years the wexford football Champs have performed a lot better than the previous 20 years of not even getting a single win or being that competitive really. Shels won and were very close to getting to a Leinster final and Castletown were only a point off Portalington and probably should've or would've won. Interesting to see how Ferns get on, Rapps were well off the pace against Clough Ballacolla last year after the huge break.
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Replying To Viking66: "Agree with everything in this post except if the Leinsters were just delayed by 2 or 3 weeks in line with other provincial competitions then there would be just the right amount of time to run off the club championships here. No need to run them off during the League.
I do think hurling and football should take turns as to which goes first though in the interest of fairness." In the interests of fairness and overall benefits, alternate weeks is unrivaled.
Football first would be the worst possible outcome for football in the county. It would kill football because most clubs would prepare for hurling throughout the football championship.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 27/10/2022 10:06:09
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Replying To Onfor15: "In the interests of fairness and overall benefits, alternate weeks is unrivaled.
Football first would be the worst possible outcome for football in the county. It would kill football because most clubs would prepare for hurling throughout the football championship." Agree completely for reasons above that playing football 1st would be the worst move.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1716 - 27/10/2022 10:45:18
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