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1 thing different this year is St Mullins actually have a break a week longer than Ferns as carlow did the hurling 1st like us, Oulart played Mullins in a challenge game last weekend so imagine they were scouting that, I think the main reason for poor showings from our champions over the years outside of Oulart is the championship is so open and there isn't 1 or even 3 or 4 outstanding teams, taught there was very little between 7 of the 8 quarter finalists this year, Glynn went out tamely enough but every other knock out game was very competitive. Looking at last year Oilgate and Tara Rocks both gave Leinster a good fist of it with Oilgate getting to the final and being competitive with the AI champions and Tara Rocks taking the AI champions to extra time and were actually ahead most of that game.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1716 - 27/10/2022 11:39:49 2445626 Link 0 |
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Thing is, alternate weeks would still lead to at least some clubs concentrating more or less completely on hurling while the football championship was taking place. For instance, before the hurling/football split, my own club used to have hurling training sessions even in a "football week". The only football training done was maybe 10 to 15 minutes at the end of the last hurling session before the football match that weekend. But since the split season was introduced, we've had more full football training sessions than ever before, and we've gone further in football championships than we'd managed to do for many years before that. Having said that, my own preference in the interests of fairness to both codes is to have alternate blocks of two to three games each. Just don't fool yourself that all clubs will be concentrating fully on football during a football block, if there are still hurling games to be played after it. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2247 - 27/10/2022 11:59:43 2445634 Link 0 |
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thats completely up to clubs themselves what way they want to prepare for each code, it shouldnt be a reason not to go football first, Clubs will never vote football first so no need to worry lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 27/10/2022 12:33:20 2445642 Link 0 |
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Yup, fully realise that, and as stated, my own preference would be for a change to alternate blocks of two or three games each. Obviously up to the clubs how they choose to spend training in each block. Was just pointing out that many clubs may choose to still concenrate on hurling even during a football block. Worth remembering all the same that the vote by clubs this year was roughly 80-20 in favour of hurling first. It would take quite a change in attitudes for the result this time to be any different. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2247 - 27/10/2022 12:57:37 2445645 Link 0 |
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Alternate weeks favours big clubs who have nearly separate panels for hurling and football or clubs who prioritise one code over the other. Most clubs and club players prefer the split season.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11849 - 27/10/2022 13:11:42 2445649 Link 0 |
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Not in our club or our club players, split season very much seen as a disaster, and no, we are not what would be classed as a big club, quite the opposite. I dont know of any club that has nearly separate panels for both hurling and football, doesnt exist. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 27/10/2022 13:25:35 2445653 Link 0 |
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Split hurling/football season is certainly not seen as a disaster in our club, and we certainly don't have separate panels for hurling and football. Of the 15 who started the last championship match for our first hurling team, 12 also played in the championship for our first football team. The other three played for our second football team. Yet when these things were being decided earlier this year, the one thing our players wanted most was for hurling to go first. They were even willing to accept four groups of three rather than two groups of six, if that was what it took to get hurling first. From what I've heard anecdotally, players in several other clubs feel the same. Yours must be very different, if players really do feel the split season is a disaster. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2247 - 27/10/2022 14:25:45 2445670 Link 0 |
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Yep, from talking to other clubs many would feel the same as ours, and many the same as you, it's not very different at all. But he vast vast majority have all said the same, unless we alternate football first with hurling first then the only fair alternate is to go back to playing alternate weeks. Personally I agree with that outlook tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 27/10/2022 14:41:11 2445677 Link 0 |
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Our players prefer the one code played in full first but only if it interchanges every year and they know that will never happen, so they want blocks of 2/3 rounds of and then go to other code so that lads who play football only are not waiting around for two months for the hurling to be over to get back training as a group lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 27/10/2022 14:41:36 2445679 Link 0 |
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Why should the calendar suit the small few who only play one code, over the vast majority who play both?
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 27/10/2022 14:56:30 2445684 Link 0 |
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Martins, Gorey etc only had half dozen starters who started in both codes. We had 14.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11849 - 27/10/2022 15:03:25 2445687 Link 0 |
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I haven't heard any vast majority saying anything like that. If what you say is true, then that really is a dramatic change from just eight or nine months ago, when clubs had the opportunity to vote for either football first or else switch to alternate weeks, but instead voted approximately 80-20 to go with hurling first for the third year in a row. Anyway, we could talk round in circles about this, but bottom line is every club will have an equal vote on it in less than four weeks' time. A bit like "respect the ref", people will just have to respect the decision made then, whether or not they actually agree with it themselves. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2247 - 27/10/2022 15:13:24 2445690 Link 0 |
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im not sayin it should, im just sayin what our players are saying,
lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 27/10/2022 15:23:42 2445692 Link 0 |
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You might find that's just a half dozen or so who started for their first teams in both codes. But another five or six who'd often be among Gorey's starting 15 in senior hurling definitely played football for their second team. I don't know St. Martin's as well, but am guessing it might be something the same. And either way, six players is still nearly half a team. We're not talking Kilmacud Crokes here, where I believe there's only one dual player on both their senior football and senior hurling teams. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2247 - 27/10/2022 15:28:21 2445694 Link 0 |
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Im not sure why you see it as a dramatic change!! Clubs dont vote for whats fair, they vote for whats best for them, they will readily admit the fairest thing would be for the other code to go first but also that they will vote for whats best for them, as is human nature. To be fair to the county board they recognise this and are trying to appeal to fairness, i dont see them getting their wish though. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 27/10/2022 16:49:44 2445707 Link 0 |
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To go from 80-20 in favour of one thing to actually voting against that thing just eight or nine months later would definitely seem dramatic to me. Choose another word if you like. Significant? Substantial? Remarkable? Whatever word you want to use, it would surely be quite the change. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2247 - 27/10/2022 21:31:51 2445733 Link 0 |
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If we play alternate weeks do you not concede that gives both clubs an advantage over another club which has maybe 14 starting for their hurling team one week who will also start for their football team the next? Or a club like Oulart who will have a panel pretty much wholly focused on hurling even if a few line out in Junior B, or maybe A hopefully!, football every second week?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11849 - 28/10/2022 08:30:16 2445738 Link 0 |
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You seem overly focussed on the number of lads who play for their club's first team in both codes. On the other hand, I'm looking at the number who play both codes at any level. Again take Gorey as an example. In an alternate week structure, of the 15 who might start for their senior hurlers one week, you could have six playing for their intermediate footballers the following week and another six playing for their intermediate 'A' team. So that makes 12 senior hurlers who are playing football the following week anyway. I don't think the fact that six of them are playing football at a grade lower than the other six would confer Gorey with any great advantage over another senior hurling club which has 12 senior hurlers playing for their first football team. They'd still be playing football every second week and presumably still giving football the same attention during that time as their clubmates on their first football team. If it was the case that a club had 12 or 14 on their first hurling team who only played hurling, and another 12 or 14 on their first football team who only played football, then yes, they'd have an advantage all right. But I don't believe any such club exists in Wexford. However, I stand to be corrected - please name one, if you can? Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2247 - 28/10/2022 10:19:13 2445751 Link 1 |
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Well it is interesting isn't it. Our club have a team with 12-13 starters on both. Slightly hurling leaning, but a good committed bunch in both. They loved this year and the problem is, football will lose out if it goes back to alternate weeks or even two and two. Why? Because if they have a sniff of winning a hurling championship, football will be cast to one side and used as a recovery week. The only complaint I heard was that week where they had the 2 games in the one week. There are clubs who have no real interest in football but gave it a go this year. Heck, even Rathnure and Oulart played it, and Oulart might even gain silverware in football tonight. Is that not what people who proclaim "Wexford is a dual county" want? If it was 2 rounds, week on, whatever, I will bet you every cent I have neither of those clubs would have fielded teams and many more. More clubs playing football, and more clubs treating it seriously, is for the betterment of Wexford football in my opinion. BTW, I am from a hurling club in Dublin but know what the "lesser game" is treated like when push comes to shove, before people accuse me of a hurling bias I know very well what it is like when the roles are reversed.. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 28/10/2022 10:28:27 2445754 Link 0 |
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Get the hurling out of the way in 8 weeks and then look forward to the football. hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 28/10/2022 12:42:19 2445775 Link 0 |